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love the video but "The Most Anti-Bullying School We’ve Ever Seen"? this is the same district where asher brown was driven to suicide by bullying two years ago. i hope that this is the legacy he leaves to everyone in cypress, and that there really has been a change in the climate there.

Edited at 2012-04-06 06:23 pm (UTC)

gonna hijack this post so that everyone can vote yes to this:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2107952_2107953_2109558,00.html

The kitties speak for me.

All the awards.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but without knowing a thing about this school, I am extremely skeptical of any school changing its culture so dramatically as to make bullying unacceptable, given the degree to which those at the top of social hierarchies--who have considerable influence on school culture--can be an ignored class of bullies. Discussions of bullying always seem to focus on the violent, masculine forms of bullying that fits into the narrative a brute who comes from a broken home and is therefore just as much of a victim as the kid he torments while ignoring the more feminine, social bullies--the ones with the most influence on what is or is not acceptable. Bullies are not always victims. Sometimes they simply do it because there are no consequences. This is something that I have a lot of feelings about, so apologies for the rant.

Good on them, and doing my best not to be cynical about it. I was really impressed by how good the song was, it's something I wouldn't mind having on my Ipod.

I graduated HS from Cypress-Creek (same district) and from what I've heard, Cy-Ranch and Cy-Wood tend to be slightly more pro-gay than other schools in the same district like Cy-Fair (full of white, country people)

I like that they a lot of people in the school seem to have participated. I am sure it took a lot of coordination to pull it off.

They're so anti-bullying, they use an ableist slur right in the song!

Yeah, call me cynical. Maybe I'd be less cynical if I wasn't ~lame~. -.-

Unrelated, but holy Ceiling Cat that school looks so much like the one I teach at. It confused the fuck out of me.

Edit: Also, tagging this "flawless" is sort of offending the shit out of me, tbh. :-/

Edited at 2012-04-07 03:59 am (UTC)

Except it's not?

Look, this was a dismissive reply as it was, and combined with the tag still being there...yeah. Really feeling like you'd just wheel the complaining ~lame~ person into a corner if it was an option.

I'm not sure what more you were expecting; I'm trying to be as responsive as I can.

Okay, first, it wasn't "responsive" to say you did something without actually doing it. Your comment here implies that it was full of good intentions, and that's just dandy, but can you seriously not see how it would hurt a minority to hear, "Hey, I got rid of that offensive thing," only to see that it was still there, still offending them? Thank you for alerting the mods now, but this entire thing is full of excuses.

Second, what do most minorities want when they've been offended by privileged BS? This is not a magical secret. It would be nice if you put some of the energy you used to write two paragraphs of excuses to instead say you're sorry for doing the prejudiced thing in the first place. Acting like I'm being unreasonable and you can't possibly imagine what I want is privileged and offensive in and of itself.

Thank you for this reply. We all screw up sometimes, it's the nature of privilege; acknowledging and working to fix those mistakes goes a long way. I appreciate you thinking more on this, and understanding my viewpoint.

That's fine, and understandable. It was still dismissive to reply to a comment from a minority expressing offense without even acknowledging the prejudiced action, let alone apologizing for it. Not even going to the effort of refreshing the page to check if it's gone before making a two-word dismissive comment didn't help, but it's not the root of the problem.

I'd already assumed he failed at removing the tag because only mods can adjust tags; that changes nothing. He should have refreshed his page to check before telling me it was removed. I refreshed, then loaded the tagged pages, and then brought up the post in Firefox (which has no history or cookies because I use Chrome) before responding that it was still there. Hitting "refresh" is not hard, and I put far more effort into giving him the benefit of the doubt than he put into not being completely ableist. The remaining ableism comes in how he should have apologized from the start instead of acting like removing one offensive element and not even apologizing for it was going above and beyond.

If a post had a slur against queer people and I objected, would there be this defense of the person championing a homophobic slur? (And yeah, I'm queer, and I think it's an apt comparison.) Why the hell is the ableist person being defended instead of the wheelchair user offended by an ableist slur?

And you're completely ignoring my point about refreshing, on top of assuming I'm ignorant to how LJ works in these matters (I'm not). Your comment not only added nothing to the discussion, it derailed from my points made in the original comment you replied to (namely, the importance of refreshing, acknowledging the offensive content, and apologizing). The OP here has acknowledged what went wrong, and I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd stop derailing from a discussion about the marginalization of PWD's to talk about the intricacies of LJ (which I already know, and which changes nothing I've said).

"The only thing I felt I needed to comment on was [something to make another excuse for privileged behavior]."

what was I supposed to argue with or add to?

Nothing. You had no reason to be in the conversation.

Now, would you like to continue making a thread about the marginalization of wheelchair users all about you? Or maybe you can just acknowledge that this is derailing and privileged as hell and just stop.

You expressed that you were very unhappy with crossfire's LJ fu

No. "Not even going to the effort of refreshing the page to check"

That's not "LJ fu," that's common courtesy that anyone on the internet knows how to do. He acknowledged that he should have done it, and that it had nothing to do with "LJ fu."

I detailed part of why his LJ fu may have been fail

Which I'd already declared irrelevant. "It was still dismissive to reply to a comment from a minority expressing offense without even acknowledging the prejudiced action, let alone apologizing for it." Nothing you contributed had anything to do with the problem, and certainly not with anything you think I said about the problem.

it was an LJ detail many people do not know.

And so I properly used the word "ignorant" to which you pull out the tone argument and made it about how you're totally being super helpful and I'm just getting angry at nothing, because obviously there was nothing in your comments--including you repeatedly ignoring everything I called problematic and offensive--to warrant my upset.

to, hopefully, lessen your feeling of discomfort about being wronged.

If you want to "lessen my feeling of discomfort," you could start by not derailing this any further.

Except I wasn't saying anything about the tag being there to begin with, nor your offense to it.

Then you were literally having a different conversation than I was, and should not have been in mine. And seriously, you don't see how it's derailing to go off on, "Let's stop talking about your hurt as a minority and talk instead about how the privileged person who offended you didn't mean to offend you, so you should totally calm down"?

Please let me know.

Great. So I get to educate a privileged person. PEACHY, because minorities just love it when privileged people do that! But hey, I had a solid dinner, and I'm on a sugar rush, so I'll even help you out:

I assumed you were ignorant? I didn't even know that LJ had this problem (letting you 'save changes' that aren't actually saved) until last week and I've been on this site over ten years. I only assumed you didn't know about this particular glitch.

And actually, I read your comments in their entirety. The only thing I felt I needed to comment on was the glitch that led crossfire to not refresh. The rest seemed fine - what was I supposed to argue with or add to?

Seriously, look at that comment and tell me how it's about me, or about the legitimate issue of prejudice I raised in this thread.

Edited at 2012-04-09 01:08 am (UTC)

If you want to "lessen my feeling of discomfort," you could start by not derailing this any further.

Aaaaand you've made it really clear that you don't actually give a shit about how this has derailed from legitimate discussion and extended further into offense, so I'm don't trying to ~educate~ you. You use "loaded" phrases and it's peachy, but I rightfully use a "loaded" word and suddenly this is about how the disabled woman isn't being nice or tactful enough in a conversation about her own marginalization. You think that in the discussion of bigotry against the mobility-impaired, it is at all relevant that you get your words in and justified and approved.

Because you are important in this discussion. Of course.

You are being a thousand different shades of privileged right now. Stop it. I'm done.