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The Talk: Nonblack Version

12:14 am - 04/08/2012
The Talk: Nonblack Version

There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

Fuckery. Not bolded because I don't want to wade through this racist tripe again.Collapse )


I really wish this as satire. But it's not. This douche writes for the National Review, and his colleagues are not happy with this piece. And this is the same douche who lectured black law students about their inborn inferiority.
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aberforthsgoat 7th-Apr-2012 04:46 pm (UTC)
This is heart-stoppingly awful. As I was reading, I was thinking 'this is really too cruel even for satire, though it certainly exposes the ugly truth of many white hearts...'

I thought this was some Jonathon Swift shit, for sure.

And then I got to the bottom. How do people walk around with these thoughts in their heads? How do you pair up your hatred of the other with Malthusian logic and think you're just being rational?

In short, oh my god.
nesmith 7th-Apr-2012 06:39 pm (UTC)
Swift would have been infinitely more subtle than this awful crap.
gretchystretchy 7th-Apr-2012 04:50 pm (UTC)

thepuddingcook 7th-Apr-2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
beat me to it.
crysania4 7th-Apr-2012 04:58 pm (UTC)
I um...wow. At first I thought this was going to be a piece on how black parents have to have a talk with their kids about how they'll be treated differently, treated like suspects in some imaginary crime, etc.

And then it became, well, THAT.
zeonchar 7th-Apr-2012 05:43 pm (UTC)
IKR? The same thing happened to me.
pistol_eyes 7th-Apr-2012 05:09 pm (UTC)
*blank stare*

mercystars 7th-Apr-2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
wow. my grandfather could've written this, sounds just like him tbh. but he's long dead now, and someday, this racist prick will be dead, too.
yeats 7th-Apr-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
as a white person, i feel like in the few years my eyes have really been opened to how many of my fellow white people think this...like, this guy is the only one willing to say this aloud, but he is nowhere near as fringe or dated as people keep saying. this shit is alive and well.
ouronlylight 7th-Apr-2012 05:43 pm (UTC)

Seriously, what did I just read?
doverz 7th-Apr-2012 06:43 pm (UTC)
I can't believe how young she looked in that episode.
myrrhmade 7th-Apr-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
Ugh, fuck. I need to go shower this filth off me now.
thenakedcat 7th-Apr-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
wrestlingdog 7th-Apr-2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
I hope that I live to see the day when this song becomes irrelevant. Such a shame that it was written, what, 60-70 years ago and still feels like it hasn't aged a day.
carolpent 7th-Apr-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
I'd be lying if I said I'd never read anything before this where I wished I could beat the writer's skull in with a baseball bat. But after reading this I want to beat the writer's skull in with a baseball bat. Part of a parent's job is socializing his/her children, this is incredibly fucking anti-social.
evil_laugher 7th-Apr-2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
sephirajo 7th-Apr-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
You know, my Dad used to tell us stuff like this. But he did it in such an over the top manner that the entire point of it was to show how idiotic and ugly racism actually is. Somehow, I don't think that's what this father is doing for his kids, and that scares me shitless.
crysania4 7th-Apr-2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
I just keep coming back to the "well-socialized blacks" thing. FFS we use "well-socialized" to describe DOGS. Seeing that used to describe PEOPLE just makes me sick.
hashishinahooka 7th-Apr-2012 06:43 pm (UTC)
Right? I mean, what do they think we do? Leave our children in cages or something?
angelus7988 7th-Apr-2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
The fuck did I just read?

::looks at source::

Oh. I. See.
thepikey 7th-Apr-2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
(9b) A small cohort of whites—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to POC and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of whites—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that blacks have it coming.

This half is called 'Republicans'.

(edit to fix formatting)

Edited at 2012-04-07 06:20 pm (UTC)
hashishinahooka 7th-Apr-2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
Oh God, THIS.
executivehpfan 7th-Apr-2012 06:34 pm (UTC)
Oh, wow. You know, in a way, I'm glad I was never exposed to any serious amount of racism as a child because I think growing up and encountering this sort of bullshit after that kind of past would've turned me into a bitter, bitter person.

As it is, the racism that's been coming to light in the past few years is already taking its toll on me. I mean, you know it's always there, lingering somewhere, but this sort of in-your-face blatant bullshit spewed without fear or care just...

Sigh. I dread having children. I don't want them to have to live in this world.
hashishinahooka 7th-Apr-2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
If this is seriously the talk White people have with their children, I think I'll start making stronger efforts to avoid White people at all costs because WTF? O.o

What I really want to know is how in the hell do you go from saying there is a great variety of Black people to saying that 58% of Black people are willing to harm White people? The only time I hear about Black-on-White violence is in cases of robberies and theft. I have never heard of large groups of Black people harming Whites.

From what I know, interracial crime is rare as most people are victimized by people they know.
doverz 7th-Apr-2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
"If this is seriously the talk White people have with their children, I think I'll start making stronger efforts to avoid White people at all costs because WTF?"

Honestly, I think that a lot of White parents never have a real talk about race with their kids aside from the "Treat everyone equally" bit. For example, there's this study by Vittrup where she wanted to see if the conversations parents would have with their children after watching multi-ethnic videos would affect the children's racial attitudes. She gave them a checklist of stuff to talk about. What ended up happening is that only a small number of families in the checklist condition actually followed the checklist even though they knew what they would have to talk about.

Also, I think that for a lot of parents that do have the talk, by the time they do, it might not have that much effect since White children develop a preference for their own racial group around 9-10.
liret 7th-Apr-2012 06:50 pm (UTC)
This article, by itself, would be a pretty good justification for what the writer thinks is 'hostility many blacks feel toward whites. ' I mean, I wouldn't want to be especially friendly towards someone who might be trying to 'bond' with me because they thought I was a 'luxury good' or 'amulet against career destroying accusations of prejudice.'
wrestlingdog 7th-Apr-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)

Edited at 2012-04-07 07:16 pm (UTC)
chimbleysweep 7th-Apr-2012 07:19 pm (UTC)
Thought process:







doverz 7th-Apr-2012 07:22 pm (UTC)
"(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice."

Ah, the "I have a Black friend so I can't be racist!" argument.

aberforthsgoat 8th-Apr-2012 12:04 am (UTC)
Except his version of this argument seems to be "I can't get any 'IWSB' (god, what a disgusting turn of phrase) friends because they're so rare and all the other white people snatched them up!!!"

To which the obvious response is- gee, I wonder why he can't get himself a black friend?

Groooossss. I can just imagine him seeing two colleagues having lunch, one black and one white, cracking up over some joke or having a serious heart-to-heart and *genuinely* thinking that the white person is just taking care of their "amulet against...prejudice." Oh my gosh. Sociopathic.
mimblexwimble 7th-Apr-2012 07:28 pm (UTC)
I threw up.
grapesheezy 7th-Apr-2012 07:49 pm (UTC)
What the fuck did I just read?
livinghope 7th-Apr-2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
This article makes me incoherent with rage and sadness. I want people to look at this and see that this man advocates being nice to black people and being friends with black people and he is STILL full of racist bile. The vast majority of white people I know seem to think that as long as you are nice to black people or have black friends, you can't possibly be racist. THAT'S A LOAD OF SHIT. Why don't people see that?!
if_by_sea 7th-Apr-2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
"well-socialized blacks"

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