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Congresswoman Vicky Hartzler has "a lot of doubts" about Obama's birth certificate

5:32 am - 04/11/2012


Rep. Vicky Hartzler — who said last week that she has “doubts” about President Barack Obama’s birth certificate — was simply confirming “that this issue has been raised by many” of her constituents, according to her press secretary on Monday.

Hartzler’s press secretary Steve Walsh said the congresswoman, who told an audience at a town hall meeting she has “a lot of doubts” about the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate, is focused on job creation and the economy — not on the birth certificate controversy.

“In responding to a constituent’s question regarding the Obama birth certificate, Congresswoman Hartzler confirmed that this issue has been raised by many 4th District citizens with whom she has spoken,” Walsh told POLITICO. “Congresswoman Hartzler is focused on bringing about the conditions which are favorable to the creation of jobs and the improvement of America’s economy.”

Last Thursday, the Missouri Republican responded to a constituent’s question about what she thinks regarding Obama’s birth certificate being called a forgery.

“I have a lot of doubts about all that,” she said at the town hall. “But I don’t know, I haven’t seen it. I’m kind of, I’m just at the same place you are on that. You read this, you read that. But I don’t understand why he didn’t show that right away. I mean, if someone asked for my birth certificate, I’d get my baby book and hand it out and say ‘Here it is.’”

Hartzler added that, “I think the main thing we can do, whether you agree or not, I don’t think that’s the real issue, the real issue is this November and there’s an election. And you can sue or go to court or try to get [Obama] to prove this or that, but I think that the main thing is if you like him, get out and vote for him in November, and if you don’t like him, don’t vote for him.”

After the meeting, Hartzler told the Sedalia Democrat, “I have doubts that it is really his real birth certificate, and I think a lot of Americans do, but they claim it is, so we are just going to go with that.”

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cpsings4him 11th-Apr-2012 12:58 pm (UTC)
Still?? This shit is still going on?? *throws up hands*
ragged_edges 11th-Apr-2012 01:02 pm (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. People need to get over it.
atomic_joe2 11th-Apr-2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
THIS again? They claim to love their country but really they're doing a great disservice to it on a global scale by carrying on this nonsense. If you don't like him, don't vote for him don't go on and on and on about bullshit. Its what they call 'democracy' or sumfing

thistlerose 11th-Apr-2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
Seriously. I can't help remembering how people howled when the questionable legitimacy of Bush's presidency was brought up. And his legitimacy was actually questionable!
mahasin 11th-Apr-2012 01:26 pm (UTC)
I actually just posted about this on my boyfriend's aunt's facebook page.

I'm really sorry you have birthers on your friends list. I was under the impression that anyone who had actually read the constitution (specifically the 14th amendment) had acknowledged that the constitution states that if you had one U.S. Citizen parent then you were a citizen. Which, considering President Obama was born in Hawaii isn't an issue, but even if he wasn't... he's still eligible for President. It's gross and it's depressing but I think the Birther movement is really just an excuse for a lot of people to spew racism and bigotry.
qable 11th-Apr-2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
I've pointed out that his mom was an American citizen, and Birther's still insist that he's not eligible. There's no logic with these people.
cuterabbit33 11th-Apr-2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
This is what I hear every time the 'argument' is brought up.

"MOMMYYYYYY THERE'S A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE! HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE! GET HIM OUT GET HIM OUT GET HIM OUUUUUT!"
jettakd 11th-Apr-2012 01:35 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
thisisviolent 11th-Apr-2012 01:35 pm (UTC)
I feel like crying and laughing at the same time.
quizzicalsphinx 11th-Apr-2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
if someone asked for my birth certificate, I’d get my baby book and hand it out and say ‘Here it is.'


No you would not. You'd howl about BUT MY RIGHT TO PRIIIIIIIVACY. And that would actually be a completely reasonable thing for you to do because it's an incredibly stupid question and people shouldn't have to deal with having their privacy invaded.


But oh, it's different when it's Obama. Because he's black, and thus inherently suspicious. I gotcha. Carry on, white America.

lunchy 11th-Apr-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
Also, what, does she just have it sitting in her bookcase or something? I don't even know if I have a baby book.
phililen3 11th-Apr-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
*eyeroll*
There is more important stuff to be worrying about that you could be dedicating your obvious presence of free time to.
babysinclair 11th-Apr-2012 03:15 pm (UTC)
HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CLEARED TO RUN IF HE WASN'T A CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


/lots of feelings
beoweasel 11th-Apr-2012 03:35 pm (UTC)
But you see, THAT'S JUST HOW BIG THE LIBRUL CONSPIRACY IS!!!1111
crossfire 11th-Apr-2012 03:28 pm (UTC)
Not enough eyerolling in the universe for birthers.
heartlockedx 11th-Apr-2012 03:32 pm (UTC)
*yawn*
babysinclair 11th-Apr-2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
Remember when Repubs were talking about wanting Arnold to run for president and people were talking about changing the law...
beoweasel 11th-Apr-2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
Who was saying that? I don't think any of the Repugs here were thinking that. O_o;
thepuddingcook 11th-Apr-2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
wrestlingdog 11th-Apr-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
OMG YES.
lickbrains 11th-Apr-2012 03:51 pm (UTC)
This shit again? I swear, this xenophobia is so fucking...I can't find a word for it. "Stupid" doesn't quite embody the inanity birthers.
lovedforaday 11th-Apr-2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
it really is ridiculous that a sitting member of the US House of Representatives is engaging in such nonsense. she didn't have to answer, it's not like she's at risk of losing her seat or anything.
anus 11th-Apr-2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
But really... WHO CARES! Not that I believe he faked it, but even if he did it doesn't matter at this point. It's not going to erase everything he did in office. Just shut up already.
cyranothe2nd 13th-Apr-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
NO NO NO...YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. If he lied about his birth certificate, than the last 4 years never happened!
furrygreen 11th-Apr-2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
Can we change out that poor dead horse for a poor dead donkey? You can't even see the bones of that horse. It's all smashed and pathetic. :/
bluebombardier 11th-Apr-2012 04:32 pm (UTC)
What horse? All I see is a giant puddle of glue. :/
hamiltonia 11th-Apr-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
Not this again. =_=
astridmyrna 11th-Apr-2012 05:09 pm (UTC)
"Why didn't he just show it in the first place?"

Why do you birthers ask him in the first place? If anyone asked you, you would be (rightly) upset because it is an incredibly insulting and private matter to ask about.
phoenixblaze 11th-Apr-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
Why is this still a thing??? Seriously!
luminescnece 11th-Apr-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
I demand all Birthers get IQ tests, three separate, independant IQ tests. I have doubts about their intellectual fitness for office.
kaowolfie 11th-Apr-2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
With exceptions such as Vicky the Annoying, most Birthers are old white men - they're exactly who IQ tests are biased in favor of.
wrestlingdog 11th-Apr-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Well, I have a lot of doubts about YOUR FACE.

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erunamiryene 11th-Apr-2012 07:28 pm (UTC)
And yet another day dawns when I really, really, REALLY wish that stupidity was physically painful.
alryssa 11th-Apr-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)


amyura 11th-Apr-2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
*eyeroll*

The scary thing is that people like this get elected to office. Get the fuck over it, birthers. You think the FEC doesn't do background checks on candidates to ensure they're eligible?
tabaqui 11th-Apr-2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
So fucking irritated with her. Thanks for being a moron and making my state look bad, *again*! Jayzus. She is such an idiot - need to vote her *out*, as soon as possible.
fatpie42 11th-Apr-2012 11:44 pm (UTC)
Okay, based on the video I was going to say this isn't all that bad, but hearing that she's still going along with the "doubts" line even later on pretty much messes that up. The "a lot of doubts" bit is clearly the biggest issue with what she says, but it's possible (from the video clip at least) to argue that this isn't another 'accidentally saying the n-word' style mess-up.

The video starts with a long-winded question from an audience member who, from what I could tell (it was quiet), starts out by talking about his military history. So she's got this question from this guy whose basically said to her "I'm a military hero and btw what do you think about this birth certificate thing". The one thing she now cannot do is be dismissive. Republicans dismissing military heroes are in deep deep trouble. She certainly can't say "don't be so daft, he wouldn't be president without a valid birth certificate". She has to find a more nuanced way to move past his query that respects their question and yet doesn't buy into the birther stuff.

I would say that the "a lot of doubts" thing (in the video at least) comes across as over-compensating. The person asking the question is clearly a birther. Many Republican voters are birthers. Dismissing one is not just losing one vote, but many votes.

After the "a lot of doubts" comment she goes on to make a statement more tied to the PR side of things. If you have a valid document, just show it straight away. Publically make it clear and remove all queries for good. That's her perspective. It's not one we'd all agree with, but so long as she's making it a matter of questioning Obama's PR rather than the document itself it's rather more sensible.

Then finally she says that the validity of the document issue is not really so important. She says if you like Obama vote for him and if you don't then don't. She clearly couldn't just start with that (without being seen as someone unduly dismissing an 'American hero'), but I thought it was a good way to finish up.

But yeah, that she goes back to the whole "doubts" thing when asked afterwards is rather more dodgy. Though if they asked her specifically about the doubts statement she'd made earlier perhaps the only alternative was lying about what she'd previously said?

I'm just worried by the idea that people with ideas like this are a major source of votes for Republicans....
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