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BREAKING: Zimmerman Finally In Custody

5:44 pm - 04/11/2012
+NBC News confirms: George Zimmerman is in custody for charges related to the Trayvon Martin case. Prosecutor Angela Corey will make an announcement in Trayvon Martin case at 6 p.m. ET

Source at NBC News on G+, that's all I got right now.

I encourage everyone to post more detailed information and links as it becomes available. I'm about to be away from the internet for a few hours so I won't be able to add to this post myself.

edit: More detail here
angry_chick 11th-Apr-2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
Fuck 2nd.

I want Murder 1.
evilgmbethy 11th-Apr-2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
unfortunately without a grand jury they can't do murder 1 :/
angry_chick 11th-Apr-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
That pisses me off so much. While I'm happy he's going to jail, I want to see him fucking rot for this crime. I feel like they tried to save his ass by dropping the grand jury.

Edited at 2012-04-11 10:09 pm (UTC)
dncingmalkavian 12th-Apr-2012 12:13 pm (UTC)
I think they can only charge him with 1st if it was premeditated and if there were significant evidence for that. I think maybe 2nd degree is the best they can do.

Tbh, though, I'd be willing to bet the judge who rules on this case will give him the maximum sentence for 2nd degree murder, considering the public reaction to the entire incident and all the grief the family has had to deal with, not only due to the death of their son but the conservative media basically dragging him through the mud after he was killed.
rex_dart 11th-Apr-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
You obvs. know more than I do about this and I was out of town all weekend so now I feel a little behind. Do you know/can you explain why there wasn't a grand jury?
evilgmbethy 11th-Apr-2012 10:10 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure, I just know the special prosecutor a few days ago decided not to do it. There was a post and people were speculating that it might be better without one, I think because the grand jury would be closed and we would never know why if they decided not to prosecute, but I don't know all the specific reasons off the top of my head.
doverz 11th-Apr-2012 10:11 pm (UTC)
Here's the ONTD post about it:

http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/9538449.html
rex_dart 11th-Apr-2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I missed that one.
vanishingbee 11th-Apr-2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
I think that it's actually a smart move-- given what we know, I don't think they'd be able to make murder 1 stick. (This is from my understanding of murder 1 being premeditated, and for all that Zimmerman is a racist child murdering monster, I don't think he set out that night to become one.)
tabaqui 11th-Apr-2012 10:24 pm (UTC)
I looked up the difference and it seems like both one *and* two are premeditated? I dunno.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/First_Degree_Murder_vs_Second_Degree_Murder

I hope that the sentencing is where the judge steps in and gives him more time than seems usual.
angry_chick 11th-Apr-2012 10:25 pm (UTC)
I don't place faith in judges or any of those bastards, especially considering that he's a judge's son.
crossfire 11th-Apr-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
I keep forgetting that. Fuck, he's going to get off with a slap on the wrist, isn't he?
ar_feiniel_ 11th-Apr-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
The public attention this is getting may outweigh the fact that he's a judge's son.
tabaqui 11th-Apr-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, ex-judge daddy kind of skews everything.
beoweasel 12th-Apr-2012 01:19 am (UTC)
Yeah, but his father is a Louisiana state Judge, not a Florida state one. That kind of special treatment tends to falter beyond state lines.
celtic_thistle 12th-Apr-2012 02:53 am (UTC)
Yep, I think that's a huge part of why he got such special treatment.
vanishingbee 11th-Apr-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
Okay, so 2nd degree has intent, which I agree with ("I meant to kill them" murder vs "the gun went off" manslaughter) but it also has premeditation IDK WHERE ARE THE _P LAWYERS.
beshwa 11th-Apr-2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
Could they argue that his pursuit of Trayvon despite the officers telling him not to follow him shows some sort of intent to kill? Idk. /not versed in law
etherealtsuki 11th-Apr-2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Think of this in this way: Murder 1 means someone planned this like, being resolved that they are going to do this before anything takes place. Murder 2 is being resolved to kill someone in the heat of the moment, like you weren't planning to kill someone today but in an event or just before you catch yourself resolved that you are going to kill this person. The difference is really the depth of planning, IIRC.

Zimmermann may not went into that car with a gun, thinking he's going to kill someone but he had pre-mediated that it is a possibility. And when he got Trayvon clearly feeling threatened, he took it upon him that Trayvon was doing something and escalated the situation that resulted killing him.
hinoema 12th-Apr-2012 04:57 am (UTC)
I believe the difference is more like "Tonight I shall murder, I have a cunning plan" vs "that's it, someone's going down" minutes before the fact. Both are murder, one is just planned ahead. (So my AZ grand jury training said.)
iheartomntd Murder 1, 2, and Manslaughter differences11th-Apr-2012 11:24 pm (UTC)
it really depends on the state and the prosecution but for the most part: Murder 1- killed with intent and was premeditated. Murder 2, killed with intent but not was not premeditated (best example would be a heat of the moment killing(i.e. I walk into the bedroom and find my husband fucking the maid and I go to the closet and shoot them both dead. Their murder wasn't planned but I shot them both with intent to kill.). Manslaughter, killing was not planned and there was no intent but your actions cause the death of person (i.e. you get into a fight and you punch someone in the nose and it leads to their death. You didn't plan on killing them, didn't intent to kill, but legally your action cause that person's death.
roseofjuly 12th-Apr-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. Zimmerman would've never gotten convicted on murder 1; they're going to have a hard enough time making a case for murder 2.
effervescent 11th-Apr-2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
I think she went with what she thought she could get someone to convict him on. I'd rather have a lesser charge and see him go to jail than have her go for Murder 1 and have him walk free.
emofordino 11th-Apr-2012 11:17 pm (UTC)
this is a good point, i hadn't thought of it that way.
iheartomntd 11th-Apr-2012 11:25 pm (UTC)
exactly plus it would be much harder to prove Murder 1 than Murder 2.
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