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BREAKING: Zimmerman Finally In Custody

5:44 pm - 04/11/2012
+NBC News confirms: George Zimmerman is in custody for charges related to the Trayvon Martin case. Prosecutor Angela Corey will make an announcement in Trayvon Martin case at 6 p.m. ET

Source at NBC News on G+, that's all I got right now.

I encourage everyone to post more detailed information and links as it becomes available. I'm about to be away from the internet for a few hours so I won't be able to add to this post myself.

edit: More detail here
vanishingbee 11th-Apr-2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
I think that it's actually a smart move-- given what we know, I don't think they'd be able to make murder 1 stick. (This is from my understanding of murder 1 being premeditated, and for all that Zimmerman is a racist child murdering monster, I don't think he set out that night to become one.)
tabaqui 11th-Apr-2012 10:24 pm (UTC)
I looked up the difference and it seems like both one *and* two are premeditated? I dunno.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/First_Degree_Murder_vs_Second_Degree_Murder

I hope that the sentencing is where the judge steps in and gives him more time than seems usual.
angry_chick 11th-Apr-2012 10:25 pm (UTC)
I don't place faith in judges or any of those bastards, especially considering that he's a judge's son.
crossfire 11th-Apr-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
I keep forgetting that. Fuck, he's going to get off with a slap on the wrist, isn't he?
ar_feiniel_ 11th-Apr-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
The public attention this is getting may outweigh the fact that he's a judge's son.
tabaqui 11th-Apr-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, ex-judge daddy kind of skews everything.
beoweasel 12th-Apr-2012 01:19 am (UTC)
Yeah, but his father is a Louisiana state Judge, not a Florida state one. That kind of special treatment tends to falter beyond state lines.
celtic_thistle 12th-Apr-2012 02:53 am (UTC)
Yep, I think that's a huge part of why he got such special treatment.
vanishingbee 11th-Apr-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
Okay, so 2nd degree has intent, which I agree with ("I meant to kill them" murder vs "the gun went off" manslaughter) but it also has premeditation IDK WHERE ARE THE _P LAWYERS.
beshwa 11th-Apr-2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
Could they argue that his pursuit of Trayvon despite the officers telling him not to follow him shows some sort of intent to kill? Idk. /not versed in law
pepsquad 12th-Apr-2012 02:22 am (UTC)
it was not an officer it was a suggestion with no legal authority.
angry_chick 12th-Apr-2012 05:37 am (UTC)
Well, as pepsquad said, a police dispatcher is not an officer. I would think if an officer told him, this would be very different.

I do know that this is going to look really bad for him in court, though.
etherealtsuki 11th-Apr-2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
Think of this in this way: Murder 1 means someone planned this like, being resolved that they are going to do this before anything takes place. Murder 2 is being resolved to kill someone in the heat of the moment, like you weren't planning to kill someone today but in an event or just before you catch yourself resolved that you are going to kill this person. The difference is really the depth of planning, IIRC.

Zimmermann may not went into that car with a gun, thinking he's going to kill someone but he had pre-mediated that it is a possibility. And when he got Trayvon clearly feeling threatened, he took it upon him that Trayvon was doing something and escalated the situation that resulted killing him.
hinoema 12th-Apr-2012 04:57 am (UTC)
I believe the difference is more like "Tonight I shall murder, I have a cunning plan" vs "that's it, someone's going down" minutes before the fact. Both are murder, one is just planned ahead. (So my AZ grand jury training said.)
iheartomntd Murder 1, 2, and Manslaughter differences11th-Apr-2012 11:24 pm (UTC)
it really depends on the state and the prosecution but for the most part: Murder 1- killed with intent and was premeditated. Murder 2, killed with intent but not was not premeditated (best example would be a heat of the moment killing(i.e. I walk into the bedroom and find my husband fucking the maid and I go to the closet and shoot them both dead. Their murder wasn't planned but I shot them both with intent to kill.). Manslaughter, killing was not planned and there was no intent but your actions cause the death of person (i.e. you get into a fight and you punch someone in the nose and it leads to their death. You didn't plan on killing them, didn't intent to kill, but legally your action cause that person's death.
tabaqui Re: Murder 1, 2, and Manslaughter differences11th-Apr-2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
So, i guess they went for murder 2 since proving it was premeditated would be pretty difficult in court. Bleh. Just want him found *guilty*.
beoweasel Re: Murder 1, 2, and Manslaughter differences12th-Apr-2012 01:20 am (UTC)
Huh. In South Carolina, we don't have Murder 1 and Murder 2, we just have Murder and Manslaughter. >_>
iheartomntd Re: Murder 1, 2, and Manslaughter differences12th-Apr-2012 04:12 am (UTC)
some states skip the whole Murder 1 and 2 since both are quite interchangeable and can be very difficult to try court and just go to Murder, Capital Murder, and Manslaughter. Like my example of shooting and killing the husband and maid could easily be argued as Murder 1 because I went and grabbed a gun to shoot them. A lot of times Murder 1 cases are filed down to Murder 2 or Manslaughter because intent and premeditation can be hard to prove
roseofjuly 12th-Apr-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. Zimmerman would've never gotten convicted on murder 1; they're going to have a hard enough time making a case for murder 2.
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