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Do girls only want a career because they can't attract a man?

1:11 pm - 04/14/2012
Forget ambition, financial security and that first-class degree. A controversial study has concluded that the real reason women pursue careers is because they fear they are too unattractive to get married.

The research team, made up of three women and two men, said that when men are thin on the ground, 'women are more likely to choose briefcase over baby'. And the plainer a woman is, they claim, the more she is driven to succeed in the workplace.

Central to their argument was the idea that women have evolved to become homemakers and men, providers.

They said this means that when men are scarce in a particular area, women, and particularly less attractive ladies, may decide they need to provide for themselves with a well-paid career.


The researchers carried out several experiments to come up with their startling argument.

The first looked at the number of eligible men in an area, which they called the 'operational sex ratio'.

After collecting data from across the U.S., they found that as the number of eligible men in a state decreased, the proportion of women in highly paid careers rose.

In addition, the women who became mothers in those states did so at an older age and had fewer children.

To prove that a lack of men was behind the trend, the researchers then carried out practical experiments.

These involved showing women newspaper articles or photos that gave different impressions of the sex ratio in an area and then quizzing them about which was more important – work or family. When they were led to believe that men were scarce, they were more likely to prioritise career over family.

However, when questioned, the women didn't believe the shortage of men would lead to more job openings for women. Instead they thought there would be more competition to find a husband.
The final experiment tested the researchers' suspicion that less attractive women would be more interested in careers because they might find it difficult to secure a partner.

The 87 young women were given mocked-up newspaper articles describing the sex ratio in nearby university campuses and were asked about their views on family and career.

They were also asked how attractive they believed themselves to be to men.

Those women who saw themselves as being less desirable than average were highly likely to be career-orientated.

Researcher Kristina Durante, from the University of Texas at San Antonio, said: 'Does the ratio of men to women in a local population influence women's career aspirations? Real-world archival data and a series of laboratory experiments suggest that the answer is yes.'

In Britain, there are slightly more younger men than women. However, females aged 36 or older are in the majority. And at universities, female undergraduates now outnumber males.

Economist Ruth Lea said that on a basic level it made sense that women would have to support themselves if the odds of being supported were low.

However, she said many factors, from aptitude to ambition, played a much larger part in a woman's career path.

And agony aunt Pam Spurr said: 'I often find that women who were getting on well in the workplace will in private conversations with me, express wanting to settle down.'

The study, which was carried out by U.S. and Dutch researchers, is published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.


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angi_is_altered 14th-Apr-2012 01:26 pm (UTC)
Fuck this shit! Yes....because it is always about a man. Fuck,I hate people!
belleweather 14th-Apr-2012 01:28 pm (UTC)
Is it just me, or is there no science in that science?

Also, as a sole-wage earner mama of three with an awesome career and an even more awesome stay at home dad spouse, I'm totally fucking over my family dynamics suddenly being fodder for public criticism. I may be fugly, but I wanted a career because it's awesome, not because I can't find a man.
intrikate88 14th-Apr-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
I'm looking pretty hard for evidence of science in that skience. Not finding any. This is like lazy fourth-grader science fair project level of critical, which is probably an insult to lazy fourth graders.
ladypolitik 14th-Apr-2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
What the fuck.

There was nothing "scientific" about anything discussed in this article.


Also, dear shiftless dudes who used to be able to bag women decades ago, because women had very little actual life choices but to settle down and procreate with your burly neanderthal asses:

Get over the fabulessness of our now multi-tasked vaginas.

You wanna summa this? Earn it.

Stop acting like successful women are old and alone.

You dont see your competition -- slightly more progressive men (and LBR, women) who have their shit together and therefor have romantic shots with us -- complaining, now, do you?

Get over it and stop projecting your lonely ass unto us. The real "culprit" here is that no career-minded person -- never mind general humanity -- wants to date, fuck or marry insecure whiners.

Edited at 2012-04-14 01:38 pm (UTC)
hinoema 14th-Apr-2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
Get over the fabulessness of our now multi-tasked vaginas.

You wanna summa this? Earn it.


I love you (moar) now.
redstar826 14th-Apr-2012 01:38 pm (UTC)
Oh, it's the Daily Mail. Every article posted from that source is consistently awful.
the_gabih 14th-Apr-2012 01:46 pm (UTC)
And yet it's still a popular newspaper here in the UK, which, to my mind, goes a long way towards explaining why we as a nation are fucked up.
devour_theflesh 14th-Apr-2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah this is all kinds of stupid.
hinoema 14th-Apr-2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
FOR FUCK'S SAKE ARTICLE WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THIS!!!! YES AS A WOMAN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO WANT TO DEDICATE MY LIFE TO USING MY SKILLS TO BETTER MYSELF AND MY WORLD OR TO UNDERSTAND SUCH A CONCEPT!!!

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hamiltonia 14th-Apr-2012 05:40 pm (UTC)
mte :|
tei_0 14th-Apr-2012 01:46 pm (UTC)
After collecting data from across the U.S., they found that as the number of eligible men in a state decreased, the proportion of women in highly paid careers rose.

Uh

okay

this couldn't possibly because if there are fewer men, there are more women... period? Kind of by definition?
darsynia 14th-Apr-2012 01:55 pm (UTC)
lol this! I kept trying to articulate this point but couldn't find a way to say it without being super wordy so I gave up haha.
its_anya 14th-Apr-2012 01:48 pm (UTC)
I detect a distinctive lack of methodological rigour here.

But then, I suppose that's what happens when you start with some bullshit psych evo theory as the foundation of your research.

Ho hum.
romantic_india 14th-Apr-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
I suppose that's what happens when you start with some bullshit psych evo theory

And secretly, I think that's what kind of breaks my heart? Because I love biology and evolutionary theory, and I find psychology interesting (if still rather clumsy and unrefined), so I had first thought that putting the two of them together would cause all kinds of joy, and so I've been waiting for evolutionary psychology to prove that it's awesome and scientific...

...and then I read articles like this one...

...and I find that I'm still waiting. :/
darsynia 14th-Apr-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
This study seems to be drawing conclusions from natural choices that have little to nothing to do with 'the availability of men,' and claiming it has something to do with a stupid thesis statement. I mean, in the world of instant communication on the internet, is it really valid to say 'well, this group of women couldn't find a man in their immediate area, so that's why they chose to be focused on their careers!!' anymore?

Also, uh, 'researchers?' Lesbians exist, just saying.
ladypolitik 14th-Apr-2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
Also, uh, 'researchers?' Lesbians exist, just saying.

LOL, this is what kills me.

Basically, the central "thesis" of this "study" relies on not factoring in women who are inclined to bang anyone other than hetero cis men -- OR NOBODY AT ALL.
cuterabbit33 14th-Apr-2012 02:01 pm (UTC)
Do girls only want a career because they can't attract a man?

Aaand that's where I stopped.
pennylane101 14th-Apr-2012 02:05 pm (UTC)
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rylee900 14th-Apr-2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
A+ for Titanic
grey853 14th-Apr-2012 02:18 pm (UTC)
Wow, have I been transported to the 50s? That's the same kind of crap that was being spouted even then. Seems like they live in the past and have no connection with the present.

It's the same kind of "science" some man might use when he calls a woman a dyke because she's got no interest in him.

Idiots.

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romantic_india 14th-Apr-2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
The first looked at the number of eligible men in an area, which they called the 'operational sex ratio'.

Orly? And what exactly was the algorithm for that, I wonder?

Those women who saw themselves as being less desirable than average were highly likely to be career-orientated.

Riiiight, because you guys totally ruled out other factors, such as what values were stressed in their family/community/religion, from what tasks they gain the highest satisfaction from, etc. Causation and correlation do not mix well.

And agony aunt Pam Spurr said...

Anecdotal evidence =/= scientific evidence, kthx.

And psychologists/sociologists wonder why they're not always taken seriously...
intrikate88 14th-Apr-2012 02:52 pm (UTC)
I may be unable to critically evaluate this article, because I saw the title and was unable to control myself from leaping from the couch to bang my head on the nearest wall.

But I did find a lot of supposed correlation in this incredibly badly structured "study". Not sure that I found any causation whatsoever to support their thesis. You know, as far as I can see through this marvelous science reporting.

I guess it's really difficult to find my reasons for wanting a career when, although I have a bangin' hot bod and a rack to merit Christina Hendricks-style feature articles, I'm just very interested in editing and not interested at all in marriage, motherhood, sex, PTA meetings, and romantic relationships.
sweetemerald513 14th-Apr-2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
Riiigghhhtt...because our lives revolve around men.

No but seriously, I just REALLY REALLY REALLY want money. Like really really. I want a huge-ass pile of money. I'll spread it all over my room and roll in it and laugh about how rich I am. Fuck, I really want to do that. I want that feeling of joy and happiness that you get when you receive your first paycheck and go to the bank.

Oh man, I want some money NOOWWW.
booksforlunch 14th-Apr-2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
+ 100,000,000 (€, $ or £, I'll take it)
pandaseal 14th-Apr-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
Oh, are we playing a game where everyone asks a stupid question?
kyra_neko_rei 14th-Apr-2012 03:14 pm (UTC)
Apparently.

Did Mitt Romney give impressive percentages of his income to charity?
carboni 14th-Apr-2012 03:06 pm (UTC)
Bullshit. I got a career so i would NOT depend on anyone to live: men, parents, ANYONE.
iolarah 14th-Apr-2012 09:41 pm (UTC)
MTE. Having to rely on anybody makes me extremely nervous.
kalikahuntress 14th-Apr-2012 03:19 pm (UTC)
Umm lol, poor men folk who think they are entitled to it all because they have a penis. So lame.
As an educated, career-driven women who is single but hasn't had any problems with feeling desired by the opposite sex, I can tell you that things fall apart very quickly once the men realize they themselves have nothing to offer me in terms of companionship, understanding, intelligent discussions and personal drive. Not to mention personal hygiene, anyway a woman has more tools to get what she wants without a man and some us aren't attracted to men anyway so that isn't even an issue. It's hilarious how these guys are freaking out because they have nothing to offer except their money (which if you live in Edmonton they blow on weed and booze anyway so why bother)and then they encounter women who make money and don't know what to do.
lickety_split 14th-Apr-2012 04:11 pm (UTC)
It's hilarious how these guys are freaking out because they have nothing to offer except their money

Most of them don't even have that to hang on to, they assume that you'll be impressed enough by the fact that they have a dick.

Edited at 2012-04-14 04:11 pm (UTC)
littlelauren86 Do girls only want a career because they can't attract a man?14th-Apr-2012 03:31 pm (UTC)
OH PLEASE.

I attract plenty of men. I just don't want to be dependent on one.

What *is* true is that there are so many men out there that run away from intelligent, career-minded (intimidating) women.
tinylegacies Re: Do girls only want a career because they can't attract a man?14th-Apr-2012 10:21 pm (UTC)
I just don't want to be dependent on one.

THIS

With a divorce rate at 50%, a lot of women don't want to be dependent on a man for their livelihood.

Not to mention that with the cost of living, a lot of families NEED two incomes to get by so there are plenty of married/attached women in the workforce too.
bestdaywelived 14th-Apr-2012 03:45 pm (UTC)
I want a career because I like money. I want a nice house, because I have never lived in one, and nice cars, because I like cars. Travel, too!

It's funny, I live with a guy who wants the same things. He also wouldn't be cool with me not working, because ... well, sitting around our apartment with nothing to do but chores is kind of awful.
rylee900 14th-Apr-2012 03:53 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah,that's why I,a married,pregnant,mom of two has a job.
blackheart 14th-Apr-2012 04:18 pm (UTC)
So how did this "research" go? "Maybe if we call working women ugly, they'll give up and we'll finally get laid! Then my mommy won't have to wash my clothes because my woman will know her place!"

I'm somehow surprised (Daily Mail or not), the three female "researchers" are female and therefore saying they're both ugly and unmarried because they have a job other than firing out babies, washing dishes and making sandwiches.
babysinclair 14th-Apr-2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
I find that terribly deliciously. Like a sweet that is too sweet and makes you ill.
xerox78 14th-Apr-2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
It amazes me that boys are encouraged and expected to want to grow up to be doctors, astronauts, police officers, pilots, etc., while girls are only supposed to dream of being mothers and helpmeets. If she really truly wants to work when she grows up, it should be a "girly" job like teacher (but not higher education), nurse, or child care, that shouldn't pay as much as "man" jobs because her husband should be bringing in most of the bacon.
dustbunny105 14th-Apr-2012 04:36 pm (UTC)
After collecting data from across the U.S., they found that as the number of eligible men in a state decreased, the proportion of women in highly paid careers rose.

Couldn't be because there are fewer men around to be favored by those jobs, of course.
keeperofthekeys 14th-Apr-2012 05:03 pm (UTC)
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