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In submission to European court of human rights, Lord Carey claims Christians are vilified by state bodies

Lord Carey
Lord Carey, the former archbishop of Canterbury, said Christians were 'often sought out and framed by homosexual activists'. Photograph: Murdo Macleod

Christians are being "persecuted" and "driven underground" while the courts fail to protect their religious values, a former archbishop of Canterbury has claimed.

Lord Carey said Christians were excluded from many sectors of employment because of their beliefs, "vilified by state bodies" and left in fear of arrest for expressing their views.

The former archbishop's claims are part of a written submission to the European court of human rights, seen by the Daily Telegraph, before a landmark case on religious freedom.

The hearing will deal with the cases of two workers forced out of their jobs after wearing visible crosses, a Relate therapist sacked for saying he was not comfortable giving sex counselling to gay couples, and a Christian registrar who refused to conduct civil partnership ceremonies.

The British Airways worker Nadia Eweida, a Pentecostal Christian, received widespread publicity when she was sent home in 2006 after refusing to remove a necklace with a cross or hide it from sight.

An employment tribunal ruled Eweida had not suffered religious discrimination, but the airline changed its uniform policy after the case to allow all religious symbols, including crosses.

Shirley Chaplin, a nurse, was moved to a paperwork role by the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust hospital after refusing to remove a necklace bearing a crucifix.

Gary McFarlane, a Bristol marriage counsellor, was sacked for refusing to give sex therapy to gay people, and the registrar Lilian Ladele was disciplined after she refused to conduct same-sex civil partnership ceremonies in north London.

In the submission, Carey said the outward expression of traditional conservative Christian values had in effect been banned under a new "secular conformity of belief and conduct".

The former archbishop argued that in "case after case" British courts had failed to protect Christian values, and urged European judges to correct the balance.

He said there was a "drive to remove Judeo-Christian values from the public square" and argued that UK courts had "consistently applied equality law to discriminate against Christians" as they showed a "crude" misunderstanding of the faith by treating some worshippers as "bigots".

In his submission, Carey, who was archbishop from 1991 to 2002, wrote: "In a country where Christians can be sacked for manifesting their faith, are vilified by state bodies, are in fear of reprisal or even arrest for expressing their views on sexual ethics, something is very wrong.

"It affects the moral and ethical compass of the United Kingdom. Christians are excluded from many sectors of employment simply because of their beliefs; beliefs which are not contrary to the public good."

He added: "It is now Christians who are persecuted; often sought out and framed by homosexual activists.

"Christians are driven underground. There appears to be a clear animus to the Christian faith and to Judeo-Christian values. Clearly the courts of the United Kingdom need guidance."

He argued that British judges had used a strict reading of the equality law to strip the legal right to freedom of religion of "any substantive effect".

Keith Porteous-Wood, the executive director of the National Secular Society, told the Telegraph: "The idea that there is any kind of suppression of religion in Britain is ridiculous.

"Even in the European court of human rights, the right to religious freedom is not absolute – it is not a licence to trample on the rights of others. That seems to be what Lord Carey wants to do."

Source at the Guardian

OP: Lord Carey needs to sit the fuck down and shut the hell up. I am sick to death of these sorts of Christians who leap up and scream "persecution" every time they don't get something their way. Two of those people were sacked from their jobs for discriminating against people on the basis of their sexuality, which is illegal under British law and the other two broke dress code rules that applied to everyone else. These are the same sorts of people who complain that the LGBT crowd are demanding special rights by asking for marriage equality, yet all the while, they want special priveleges to ignore or be above the law because they choose to pray to God. These people wouldn't know persecution if it bit them, they are free to go to church and worship as they chose and have their faith but as soon as they're told they can't promote whacked medical "therapies" on buses and discriminate against other people they don't agree with, out comes the "we're being oppressed" speech.

shukivengeance 14th-Apr-2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah screw those homosexual activists who just want you to put your religion aside and do your damn job!!!

If treating people as equals is too difficult for you, then rethink your career instead of blaming everyone else.
floweranza 14th-Apr-2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
I cry for you.

mingemonster 14th-Apr-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
this homosexual activist is very much in favour of oppressing christians! bring back the lions tbh
imnotbob 14th-Apr-2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
You keep using this word "persecuted"; I do not think it means what you think it means.
harumi 14th-Apr-2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
cry moar christians. cry moar.
spiffynamehere 14th-Apr-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
Lolno.
bethan_b_bad 14th-Apr-2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
Ell oh ell.

Whine on, you crazy diamond, whine on.
aviv_b 14th-Apr-2012 05:19 pm (UTC)
Your bullshit whinging about oppression is an insult to every person who has been genuinely persecuted for their religious beliefs (including Christians).

No one is doing anything to you except expecting you to behave in a civil manner toward other people in your community and to respect the secular laws of the nation you live in.

You are a vile toad and you need to STFU.
theguindo 14th-Apr-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
and to respect the secular laws of the nation you live in.

Didn't Jesus even command his followers to do this? ffs...
sephirajo 14th-Apr-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
He did indeed. But good luck getting these people to admit it. :/
furrygreen 14th-Apr-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
Well, Jesus also commanded his followers to buy swords, give all their possessions to the poor, leave their families for him, and damn fig trees. Things like that always tend to get lost. XD
vanishingbee 14th-Apr-2012 06:50 pm (UTC)
pffffffffft christians listening to what jesus said? madness!!

Edited at 2012-04-14 06:51 pm (UTC)
doverz 14th-Apr-2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
Yep. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

But, there's a whole lot of shit in the Bible that Christians conveniently ignore.
tilmon 14th-Apr-2012 05:32 pm (UTC)
I must have missed that part in the Bible where Christians are commanded to wear religious bling, cast stones, and loudly proclaim their personal piety.
hamiltonia 14th-Apr-2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
*Insert world's smallest violin gif.*
kyra_neko_rei 14th-Apr-2012 05:42 pm (UTC)
He added: "It is now Christians who are persecuted; often sought out and framed by homosexual activists.

Not really helping your case by calling us that.
zizzo_no_ai 14th-Apr-2012 05:53 pm (UTC)
'Shirley Chaplin, a nurse, was moved to a paperwork role by the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust hospital after refusing to remove a necklace bearing a crucifix.'

Wasn't this case outright proven to be tabloid exaggeration? She couldn't wear the necklace for health and safety, it-could-be-grabbed-by-patients reasons, not anti-Christian sentiment from the NHS.

'Gary McFarlane, a Bristol marriage counsellor, was sacked for refusing to give sex therapy to gay people, and the registrar Lilian Ladele was disciplined after she refused to conduct same-sex civil partnership ceremonies in north London.'

They were sacked and disciplined because they were discriminating! Being Christian doesn't mean discrimination laws suddenly and magically don't apply to you.

'The former archbishop argued that in "case after case" British courts had failed to protect Christian values'

That's because courts aren't there to protect Christian values! Not winning every single legal case you bring forward and not being allowed to persecute others through your on discriminatory views doesn't equal you being persecuted! It just means you being held to the same standards as the rest of society, which you apprently see yourself as too good for and want hand-holding and special treatment from every state and judicial body you can find.
xerox78 14th-Apr-2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
'Shirley Chaplin, a nurse, was moved to a paperwork role by the Royal Devon and Exeter NHS Trust hospital after refusing to remove a necklace bearing a crucifix.'

Wasn't this case outright proven to be tabloid exaggeration? She couldn't wear the necklace for health and safety, it-could-be-grabbed-by-patients reasons, not anti-Christian sentiment from the NHS.


Yep, and she was given the option to wear it and keep it tucked under her shirt or in a pocket. That wasn't good enough for her and that other woman. Because your religion is not real unless everyone can see how religious you are.
bushy_brow 15th-Apr-2012 12:10 am (UTC)
Or, IIRC, she could wear a crucifix pin, but noooooo. It HAD to be a necklace, or it was persecution, doncha know!
ghost_busting 14th-Apr-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Oh you poor man. Calling you a WAAAAHmbulance as I type.
mephisto5 14th-Apr-2012 06:52 pm (UTC)
It's in britain, so it's whine-whine-whine. :)
hashishinahooka 15th-Apr-2012 10:50 am (UTC)
You mean it's not 0118 999 88199 9119 725... 3

I am disappoint.
windy_lea 16th-Apr-2012 12:16 am (UTC)
Bwahahaha, perfect!
mephisto5 14th-Apr-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
SIT THE FUCK DOWN.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

myrana 14th-Apr-2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
"Lord Carey said Christians were excluded from many sectors of employment because of their beliefs, "vilified by state bodies" and left in fear of arrest for expressing their views."

Mmhmm, right. Oh, except for the fact that it was exposed just yesterday that a fundamentalist Christian charity is linked with multiple MPs from all three major political parties, and funding twenty interns.
the_gabih 14th-Apr-2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
Actually, it was exposed before then (though I might only have caught wind of it because it's a charity my parents support. Ugh. Makes me wonder how accepting of my lesbianism they actually are.)
romp 14th-Apr-2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
:(
myrana 14th-Apr-2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'd heard vaguely about the charity being involved with government before, but I wasn't sure what sort of policies they had - and now you go to their website and there's a massive banner promoting the "Coalition for Marriage", sigh. Sorry your parents support it, bb. :( ♥
furrygreen 14th-Apr-2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
Those darn homosexuals beating and killing themselves, then stringing their dead corpses up on wires to frame the poor, innocent Christians? Oh dear ...
the_gabih 14th-Apr-2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
He said there was a "drive to remove Judeo-Christian values from the public square"

Oh, it's so good to see more public figures complaining about our government's horrendous abuse of the poor and disabled in society.

Wait, you mean the Judeo-Christian values Jesus actually preached about aren't the ones you were talking about? My mistake.
romp 14th-Apr-2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
perfect Jon Stewart gif response is perfect, OP
heartbreakangel 14th-Apr-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
He added: "It is now Christians who are persecuted; often sought out and framed by homosexual activists.

Oh really?



roseofjuly 14th-Apr-2012 08:03 pm (UTC)
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fm_gatekeeper 14th-Apr-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
Your tears are delicious.
myrrhmade 14th-Apr-2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
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johnjie 14th-Apr-2012 10:19 pm (UTC)
Your claims of 'persecution' is an insult to every person (including OTHER CHRISTIANS) who have been persecuted for their beliefs.

These people? Sounds to me as if they were using their religion as a reason for NOT DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS CORRECTLY.
tabaqui 14th-Apr-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
Fuck i'm tired of this. It gets so damn infuriating that i'm basically hating every single person out there who proclaims they're Xian, even though most of them aren't horrible people. I'm just...sick of this shite.
sparkindarkness 14th-Apr-2012 11:13 pm (UTC)
More bigotry from the usual suspects

We just can't exist without this constant barrage from the so-called moral police squealing their hatred at every possible turn

What kind of twisted, fucked up morality decides to obsess so about making other people miserable? What kind of demonic, evil deity would demand this?
angelofdeath275 14th-Apr-2012 11:20 pm (UTC)
Your in the UK? Not China, or any other place where christians are killed for their beliefs? trying to be a martyr because you hate queer folk?

fuck you.
kynical 14th-Apr-2012 11:47 pm (UTC)
Wow. Get back to me when you're being used a live tiki-torch!
bunnika 15th-Apr-2012 03:21 am (UTC)
corinn 15th-Apr-2012 05:44 am (UTC)
The Christian segment of that pie chart should be yellow to more blatantly bring to mind Pac-Man nomming the minority.
checkerdandy 15th-Apr-2012 04:11 am (UTC)
I wish Jesus would appear to these whiny bigots and say, "Don't be a dick". Maybe then they'd get it.
pretty_angel 15th-Apr-2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
Those people wouldn't recognize his teachings if he was punching them in the face with them!
astridmyrna 15th-Apr-2012 04:15 am (UTC)
Y'know, it's this kind of shit that we need a "sit the fuck down" tag.
lonely_hour 15th-Apr-2012 04:32 am (UTC)
i thought of the exact same comment by Jon Stewart!
magus_69 15th-Apr-2012 07:46 am (UTC)
If these fuckwits think they are being persecuted, shouldn't they be celebrating?
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