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Marine's Facebook posts on Obama go too far

9:55 am - 04/14/2012
What would happen if you posted derogatory comments about your boss on a Facebook page that you knew would be read by your co-workers?

How would your boss react if in those Facebook posts you called him or her a "coward," a "domestic enemy," and boasted that you wouldn't be following the boss' instructions in the future?

And what if your boss is the president of the United States and you are a sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corps?



That's essentially the case of Sgt. Gary Stein, a nine-year veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps, who is on the verge of being discharged from the military for making comments on Facebook about his boss: the commander-in-chief, President Barack Obama.

Stein posted comments on both his personal Facebook page and on The Armed Forces Tea Party Facebook page he created, mocking the president. On those pages he referred to President Obama as a "domestic enemy," a coward, and even superimposed President Obama's face on the poster for the movie "Jackass."

But the comment that really drew the ire of Marine Corps brass was this post from Stein:
"As an Active Duty Marine I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him ... has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not!"


It's pretty clear that Stein will not be adding President Obama as a friend on Facebook any time soon.

The U.S. military has alleged that Stein's postings violated military regulations prohibiting partisan political statements while in active service in the military. Consequently, Stein was charged with conduct "prejudicial to good order and discipline."

But Stein doesn't see it that way. Stein appeared earlier this week on CNN's "Starting Point" arguing that the Facebook posts were not his views as a U.S. Marine, but, "...my personal opinion as Gary Stein."

Members of the military are free to give their personal opinions about political candidates, but Stein's Facebook post begins: "As an Active Duty Marine I say 'Screw Obama...' " This clearly gives the appearance that Stein is speaking as a member of the Marine Corps.

Secondly, the Marine Corps motto is the Latin phrase "Semper Fi," which means "always faithful." The motto isn't "faithful only nine to five." Every Marine I have ever met has made it clear that being a U.S. Marine is a 24-hour a day job.


Bottom line: Stein, upon enlisting, agreed to follow the rules of the U.S. Military, which contain express regulations prohibiting certain partisan political speech. As a result of his apparent violations of these regulations, a military panel ruled last week three to zero to discharge Stein from the military.

In normal times, this case would have likely received little media coverage. But these are not normal times. Instead, we live in a grotesquely partisan era.

Consequently, three Republican congressmen publicly came to Stein's defense: Reps. Allen West, Darrell Issa and Duncan Hunter. Hunter even sent a personal letter to the Marine Corps in which he stated in part: "I urge the Marine Corps to withdraw the discharge proceedings and allow Sgt Stein to complete his enlistment."

West, a former U.S. Army officer, issued a statement paradoxically conceding that Stein should face some form of discipline -- although less than discharge -- but then in essence pointed his finger at President Obama as the cause for Stein's conduct: "If America had leadership that gained the respect of our military, instead of simply using them as stage props for speeches, this atmosphere would not exist."

Adding to the growing partisanship of this case is that the lawyer now representing Stein -- Gary Kreep -- was one of the lead organizers of the birther movement, which contended falsely that President Obama was not born in America and, thus, not legitimately the president. Kreep even created a 28-minute infomercial on the birther issue in which he hawked "Got a Birth Certificate" bumper stickers for $30 each.

You have to wonder if Stein had made the comments at issue about a Republican president if these men would be offering the same support. (It's a rhetorical question: We all know the answer.)

Inserting partisan politics into our military is dangerous. Our nation's military cannot be divided into political factions where loyalty is based on whether service members agree with the political views of the commander-in-chief.

As the U.S. Supreme Court noted when upholding restrictions on partisan politics in the military: We live under "...the American constitutional tradition of a politically neutral military establishment under civilian control."

There should be zero tolerance by the military for any partisan politicking by active duty service men or women. This is not only "prejudicial to good order and discipline," but could lead to the loss of lives.

We already have one dysfunctional institution marred by partisan infighting -- the U.S. Congress - we can't afford another.

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Bye, asshole. Kiss all your bennies goodbye. Also, you got the BIRTHER LAWYER. Nice job. After NINE YEARS, you KNOW that it's a 24/7 job. You're doing a very poor job of covering your butt at this point.
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lux_roark 14th-Apr-2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
Ugh, Duncan Hunter, another reason to hate you. Although keep inviting me to your luncheons, I like free food.
doverz 14th-Apr-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
"If America had leadership that gained the respect of our military, instead of simply using them as stage props for speeches, this atmosphere would not exist."

Oh fuck off, you douche bag. First of all, seems like Stein is one of the only people to declare this message in public, so either people don't share this belief or they're not dumb enough to post messages like this on Facebook. Secondly, regardless of your politics, you are supposed to follow the orders given to you in the military. That seems to be what millions of soldiers are doing, so why the fuck is Stein so special??

Also, I would totally discharge this guy. If he doesn't want to follow Obama's orders, then he's a danger to the people in his squadron. I wouldn't want to be serving with this guy, unsure if he would have my back.
sixdemonhag 14th-Apr-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
He should get a bad conduct discharge. Or at the very least a discharge under other than honorable conditions. Let him wear that around his neck for the rest of his life.
auxoriousrex 14th-Apr-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
Ugh what an asshole. Just assholes all around
lickety_split 14th-Apr-2012 10:10 pm (UTC)
LMAO I am dying over the idea of a $30 bumper sticker.
mercystars 14th-Apr-2012 10:19 pm (UTC)
~a fool and his money~
shukivengeance 14th-Apr-2012 10:28 pm (UTC)
Stein appeared earlier this week on CNN's "Starting Point" arguing that the Facebook posts were not his views as a U.S. Marine, but, "...my personal opinion as Gary Stein."

Except that's not how it works. Once you sign up to the military you are legally government property, in every sense of the word. And even if that wasn't the case, you don't talk shit about your employer and not expect to get kicked to the kerb.
sixdemonhag 14th-Apr-2012 10:31 pm (UTC)
Truly. There are so many things you are not allowed to do in the military, so many aspects of your life they have control over. It's no 9 to 5, I do what I want on my off time thing.
fickery 14th-Apr-2012 10:33 pm (UTC)
Even Erick Erickson and the commenters at Red State think this guy is an asshole who deserves exactly what he got. The Republican lawmakers defending him need to STFD and STFU.
drownanddive 14th-Apr-2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
'West, a former U.S. Army officer, issued a statement paradoxically conceding that Stein should face some form of discipline -- although less than discharge -- but then in essence pointed his finger at President Obama as the cause for Stein's conduct: "If America had leadership that gained the respect of our military, instead of simply using them as stage props for speeches, this atmosphere would not exist."'


romp 14th-Apr-2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
enjoyed your response at the end, OP
dark_puck 14th-Apr-2012 11:16 pm (UTC)
"As an Active Duty Marine I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him ... has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not!"

.....why would anyone active duty say that and expect to remain active duty? I don't care if you're not on the job at the time, you can't do that in public.

AND FACEBOOK POSTS COUNT AS PUBLIC. FYI.

lee_rowan 15th-Apr-2012 12:00 am (UTC)
If this clown hadn't learned, in nine years, that an active-duty member of the US Armed Forces does not publicly criticize the Commander in Chief, he should not be toting around a government-issue weapon.
theguindo 15th-Apr-2012 12:02 am (UTC)
Dear every lawmaker who defends reprehensible actions by members of the military which reflect poorly on the military at large: STOP FUCKING HELPING.

When people do shitty things that are against the law and/or violate the code of conduct, DON'T PICK THEIR SIDE. ALL IT DOES IS EXPOSE YOU FOR THE DOUCHE YOU ARE.
perthro 15th-Apr-2012 04:04 am (UTC)
No, no let them! Let them expose themselves as douchecanoes! It lets me know who to blacklist when I vote for stuff. Even if I'm just voting with my money. (Et tu, Chik-fil-A?)
missmurchison 15th-Apr-2012 12:09 am (UTC)
West had to retire from the military because he was caught beating up someone who he was interrogating. No wonder he supports this asshole.
babysinclair 15th-Apr-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
You would think Joffery Barathon (LBR it's really Lannister) was president instead of Obama with the way people are acting!
per_simmon 15th-Apr-2012 08:14 am (UTC)
This comment is one hundred percent freshly squeezed accurate.
oceandezignz 15th-Apr-2012 01:07 am (UTC)
FUCKING ISSA I HATE YOU SO BAD! *tableflip* I WANT YOU OUT OUT OUT I am ashamed to be in your fucking district. I have never voted for you, I want you gone!
autumnleaving 15th-Apr-2012 02:04 am (UTC)
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autumnleaving 15th-Apr-2012 02:02 am (UTC)


Seriously bro, seriously. You do not diss your boss on a public forum. And we always need to be careful with the words we choose, we can't be so careless with the things we say.

Edited at 2012-04-15 02:04 am (UTC)
sonarafaey 15th-Apr-2012 02:50 am (UTC)
[West] in essence pointed his finger at President Obama as the cause for Stein's conduct: "If America had leadership that gained the respect of our military, instead of simply using them as stage props for speeches, this atmosphere would not exist."

Yes, because President Obama has been the first and only President to make speeches in front of the US military


...oh wait...
aviv_b 15th-Apr-2012 03:04 am (UTC)
OIC. Criticize Bush when you are civilian and Republicans in Congress call you a traitor. Criticize Obama when you are part of the military and its totes OK, heroic even according to some of those same Republicans.

pepsquad 15th-Apr-2012 03:31 am (UTC)
i once called my non military boss a douche bag on facebook, i got a wrist slap as i should have. doesn't make my words any less true just means i had to pay for them. screw this guy
jwaneeta 15th-Apr-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
Hahah, bye bye, asshole.
alicephilippa 15th-Apr-2012 04:35 am (UTC)
As a former member of the British Army, he should be kicked to the curb so hard he doesn't know where his arse is as a warning to others. You do not ever publicly criticise the chain of command no matter what you might privately think.
mdemvizi 15th-Apr-2012 04:48 am (UTC)
My brother is in the Army and is a Ron Paul maniac. I think he is smart enough to not do something idiotic like this. *goes to check his FB to make sure*
corinn 15th-Apr-2012 04:52 am (UTC)
Uuuugh the people defending this guy and saying he shouldn't be discharged, what the hell? If you strip all political everything from this guy's statements, you still get "I will not follow all orders from him." Following orders is part and parcel of military service and he stated he would refuse to comply with that. That makes him a wildcard, and last I heard the military doesn't want wildcards going "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Nope! I don't like that order."

I bet if he hadn't said he wouldn't obey orders he might have slipped by with a slap on the wrist. Stating intent to refuse orders marks him as a danger. If he said it about, say, his immediate commanding officer in the field, would anyone care if they busted his ass for insubordination?
lickbrains 15th-Apr-2012 04:54 am (UTC)
Bye, asshole. Kiss all your bennies goodbye. Also, you got the BIRTHER LAWYER. Nice job. After NINE YEARS, you KNOW that it's a 24/7 job.
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dustbunny105 15th-Apr-2012 07:03 am (UTC)
Stein appeared earlier this week on CNN's "Starting Point" arguing that the Facebook posts were not his views as a U.S. Marine, but, "...my personal opinion as Gary Stein."

"As an Active Duty Marine I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him ... has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not!"


Ahem.

phililen3 15th-Apr-2012 01:47 pm (UTC)
If you don't want to serve, leave. Simple as that. The army serves the State, not who you feel like you would be best friends with.
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