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GOP Senate Candidate Joins Pro-Bully Caucus, Compares Anti-Gay Bullying To ‘Teasing’

9:22 pm - 04/20/2012
State and federal lawmakers have responded to the wave of school anti-gay bullying and the suicides that they contribute to by introducing legislation prohibiting schools from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. Conservative Republicans oppose such efforts and have characterized anti-bullying legislation as an infringement of religious freedoms and free speech.

During an April 12th debate, Heather Wilson, a Republican running for U.S. Senate in New Mexico, joined the so-called pro-bullying chorus when she staked out her opposition to SB 555, the Student Non-Discrimination Act. The measure, introduced by Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), would provide LGBT students with similar civil rights protections against bullying “as those that currently apply to students based on race and gender.” Wilson argued that the bill would violate students’ free speech rights and criminalize “teasing”:

WILSON: I mean if somebody gets bullied for having, gosh a low voice — that’s never happened to me. … But I think one of the things why I don’t support the act is because I think it’s misplaced. They are things I’m willing to tolerate that I’m not willing to approve.

With respect to this particular agenda we have to recognize as parents that children tease each other because you’re short or you’re tall or you’re a redhead or because you’re ugly or because you’re smart or because you’re dumb or all kinds of differences and as parents we have to deal with that and strengthen our children to be comfortable with themselves and also to show empathy and acceptance towards others, but that particular act is so broad it would actually punish children and say that it’s prohibited to express an opinion with respect to homosexuality in the schools. I just think that’s wrong and it’s a violation of the First Amendment.


Franken’s measure — which is modeled on existing civil rights laws — would establish a new law explicitly protecting children from harassment on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

The bill doesn’t criminalize speech; it targets harassment of LGBT students, requires schools to institute a policy of nondiscrimination and take immediate action to investigate and address it. Section 9(b) of the bill specifically addresses Wilson’s concern: “Nothing in this Act shall be construed to alter legal standards regarding, or affect the rights available to individuals or groups under, other Federal laws that establish protections for freedom of speech and expression, such as legal standards and rights available to religious and other student groups under the First Amendment and the Equal Access Act .”

The bill, which was introduced in March of last year, has 37 co-sponsors in the Senate and a companion legislation introduced in the House has 157 supporters.


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.... i just cannot with this
zombieroadtrip 21st-Apr-2012 06:25 am (UTC)
I'm sorry that your viewpoint is shriveling and dying and that you will find yourself on the wrong side of history.

kri kri
lozbabie 21st-Apr-2012 07:08 am (UTC)


Edited at 2012-04-21 07:09 am (UTC)
little_rachael 21st-Apr-2012 09:44 am (UTC)
I'd bet that some of these "anti-anti-bullying" folks are or were actually bullies themselves.
the_gabih 21st-Apr-2012 10:03 am (UTC)
I'd bet they all are.
missmurchison 21st-Apr-2012 04:32 pm (UTC)
Very likely they still are. I've been around plenty of adult bullies, especially in the workplace. They have to change their strategies as they grow up, but they carry on as if it's their mission in life.
capitol_barbie 21st-Apr-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
i was just coming here to say this. this behavior is nothing short of adult bullying.
moonshaz 22nd-Apr-2012 02:01 am (UTC)
You can take that to the bank, imo!
hauntermooneyes 21st-Apr-2012 10:50 am (UTC)
Tormenting someone because they're gay, lesbian, trans, or bi is not "express[ing] an opinion with respect to homosexuality." It's just tormenting them. Children are dying because their peers are ostracising them, and you think that's okay because ~omg free speech~? Fuck you.

Also excuse me, ma'am, but I don't think children need to be subjected to ANY kind of teasing to build character. My baby sister's "friends" tell her to bark before she's allowed to speak to them in the lunchroom because she's "weird" and "a robot." Is that acceptable? Is that ~building her character~ and ~teaching her to love herself~? No, it's teaching her that she's the butt of every joke. It's teaching her that friendship means being mocked, and that's just not true.
tsaraven 21st-Apr-2012 03:15 pm (UTC)
IKR? Being "teased" aka peer abused messed up my entire life and it was for things I could potentially change/hide (appearance and personality), not for who I am as a person. I can't imagine how much deeper that guts.
missmurchison 21st-Apr-2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
Same here. I'm not even sure why they picked on me, and decades later I haven't completely shaken the idea that it's because I'm inherently unlikeable. It might have been something as simple as I was smaller than most of the others, but I was completely bewildered by it. The closest I got to help was advice to "toughen up" and "make friends." That's so easy to to when you can't walk across the playground for fear of being knocked down.

One of my biggest fears as a parent was that my kids would be bullied.I know they had to put up with crap, but they're so much stronger than I ever was. One of the proudest days of my life was when I saw my younger daughter protect an even younger child from verbal bullying. And when some girls went after her a few years later for religious reasons (her dad is Jewish and she was wearing a Star of David) the school intervened.

I'm not sure anyone who hasn't been on the receiving end of this can understand it.
nesmith 21st-Apr-2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
Neither of my parents were bullied when they were younger, so they had no idea what I went through and used to pull out the old standard "just ignore them" (which never works unless you have some extremely un-persistent bullies, which I never did). I was attacked every day for being fat, being poofy-haired, awkward, and just generally walking around with a big target on my back. I don't know what was worse--being tortured or having parents who really couldn't be bothered to care.
tsaraven 22nd-Apr-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
That's good to hear about your daughter. ^_^ Mine starts pre-school next year and I'm worried already.
tabaqui 21st-Apr-2012 04:15 pm (UTC)
Fucking this and omfg, i hope your niece gets far, far, far away from these horrifying kids. What the everloving fuck.
missmurchison 21st-Apr-2012 04:25 pm (UTC)
That's horrifying, but I have no trouble believing it, or that adults around her are pooh-poohing the whole thing. I hope she gets out of that situation.
sparkindarkness 21st-Apr-2012 11:23 am (UTC)
How many more graves do they need to see?

I'm not even going to argue this, I'm not. Kids are being driven to suicide, it's vile that we even need to argue beyond that. The kids are drying. They are suffering, they are hurting and they are dying. KIDS ARE DYING what more do we need to say here?

Oh, except they're GBLT kids and they just don't matter to these over privileged straight arseholes and their hatred
igglepoof 21st-Apr-2012 12:44 pm (UTC)
The neat thing is that Al Franken used to be a cast member of SNL

his daily affirmations with Stuart Smalley. They were pretty amusing!
missmurchison 21st-Apr-2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
If Ronald Reagen could go from co-starring with a chimpanzee to the White House, then Al Franken can go from SNL to being the first Jewish President. That's one of my daydreams, anyway.
redstar826 21st-Apr-2012 01:06 pm (UTC)
we really need a "straight people suck" tag
csi_vixen 21st-Apr-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
Icon + comment= A++++++++++++++
chaya 21st-Apr-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
Oh sweet jesus the blowback would be awful


...might be worth it anyway
redstar826 22nd-Apr-2012 12:01 am (UTC)
see, that would make me want to do it even more, because I'm a meanie pants queer who enjoys the tears of str8s. But LOL I'm also not a mod, and it wasn't totally a serious request
freuen 22nd-Apr-2012 12:30 am (UTC)
Definitely worth it.
tigerdreams 21st-Apr-2012 02:11 pm (UTC)
With respect to this particular agenda we have to recognize as parents that children tease each other because you’re short or you’re tall or you’re a redhead or because you’re ugly or because you’re smart or because you’re dumb or all kinds of differences

You know what? As someone who was severely bullied and harassed throughout school and thinks it contributed significantly to my anxiety disorder, I'd actually be completely okay with criminalizing all of this. So the argument that legislating against homophobic bullying will punish these ~normal~ behaviors gets absolutely nowhere with me.

and as parents we have to deal with that and strengthen our children to be comfortable with themselves

FUCK YOU FOREVER. Victims of constant harassment and bullying aren't harmed because they're ~not strong enough~, they're harmed because constant harassment and bullying are damaging and no one should be forced to endure them, especially not children.
pandaseal 21st-Apr-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
You know what? As someone who was severely bullied and harassed throughout school and thinks it contributed significantly to my anxiety disorder, I'd actually be completely okay with criminalizing all of this. So the argument that legislating against homophobic bullying will punish these ~normal~ behaviors gets absolutely nowhere with me.

THIS.

I'm unsurprised these fuckers think that shit is acceptable.

Edited at 2012-04-21 05:15 pm (UTC)
mirhanda 21st-Apr-2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
I think republicans think this is not only acceptable, but a good thing, to be honest. Look at what they are doing right now in the world. Just more of the same, trying to crush people they don't like.
moonshaz 22nd-Apr-2012 02:07 am (UTC)
You're right, this is completely in character for them!

Sadly, to expect otherwise would be the same as expecting porcupines not to have quills.
tinylegacies 22nd-Apr-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
... you know it NEVER crossed my mind that the bullying I suffered in school might have contributed to my anxiety disorder but now that I think about it, it makes SO MUCH SENSE.
moonshaz 22nd-Apr-2012 02:06 am (UTC)
All of this. SFM.
schmanda 21st-Apr-2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
So bullying that could cause actual harm to other people is constitutionally-protected character building, but the momentary glimpse of an image of a breast is so horrible so as to be worthy of getting an especially histrionic "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?" on:



Look at your life, jfc...
vanishingbee 21st-Apr-2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
It's almost like the people making the laws are like people on ontd: they read the title, assume the content, and judge based on same.

What the fuck is so good about teasing that makes it okay? There is harmless teasing/ribbing that can happen between friends, but I honestly don't think children know how to execute that.
grapesheezy 21st-Apr-2012 03:58 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, but what "teasing" results in suicide??
tabaqui 21st-Apr-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
FUCK HER. Omfg, no, no, no and no. Fuck you and your 'free speech' shite, too. I just.... I have too much rage. FUCK THIS.
missmurchison 21st-Apr-2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
You know, I bet it's not "free speech" if someone talks openly about a same-sex partner or spouse. I bet that's "forcing their lifestyle" on her.

I'm so full of rage this morning. I need to walk away from the computer.
tabaqui 21st-Apr-2012 05:02 pm (UTC)
THIS THIS THIS THIS.
Their hypocrisy is mind blowing and stomach-churning.

*tries to get into mindset of icon*
vexed_artist 21st-Apr-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
Every time someone justifies opposing legislation aimed at helping or protecting LGBT people with "BUT! BUT! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIAN DUDEBROS?!?! WHAT ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS?!?!" it makes me want to punch something.
mollybarton 21st-Apr-2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
Fuck you, you stupid bigot. Fuck. You.
mirhanda 21st-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
Well, I guess we know what she was like in school.
zeonchar 21st-Apr-2012 06:50 pm (UTC)
"They are things I’m willing to tolerate that I’m not willing to approve."

What the fuck does this even mean?
bttrflyscar 21st-Apr-2012 11:55 pm (UTC)
thank you. *boggle*
moonshaz 22nd-Apr-2012 02:10 am (UTC)
Srsly.
shoujokakumei 21st-Apr-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
Fuck you fuck you fuck you FUCK YOU
hamiltonia 21st-Apr-2012 09:06 pm (UTC)
"I mean if somebody gets bullied for having, gosh a low voice — that’s never happened to me. … But I think one of the things why I don’t support the act is because I think it’s misplaced. They are things I’m willing to tolerate that I’m not willing to approve."


kishmet 21st-Apr-2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
Really? It's more important to protect the right of kids to be utter jackasses to their peers than it is to protect the lives of those peers? Oh ok.

Reminds me of the people who'll argue for ages over their right to use slurs, when all they'd have to do to avoid harming anyone would be to stop using a handful of fucking words. Jfc some people
4o5pastmidnight 21st-Apr-2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
an infringement of religious freedoms

HOW IS THAT VIOLATING YOUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
bttrflyscar 21st-Apr-2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
because my religion has a book that tells me to hate you, except not.
maladaptive 22nd-Apr-2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
THESE LAWS ARE FORCING ME TO ADHERE TO THE BASIC TENETS OF MY FAITH! OPPRESSION!
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