The leader of a group of US nuns the Vatican accuses of flouting Church teaching has rejected the claims.
"I've no idea what they're talking about," Sister Simone Campbell, head of Network, a Catholic social justice lobby, told the BBC.
"Our role is to live the gospel with those who live on the margins of society. That's all we do."
On Wednesday the Vatican announced a crackdown on US nuns long considered too liberal by the church hierarchy.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Office of the Inquisition, issued a highly critical report that accused US nuns of engaging in "corporate dissent" and of ignoring, or worse, challenging the church's teachings on abortion, homosexuality and an all-male priesthood.
'Radical feminist themes'
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents 80% of America's 57,000 nuns, was the subject of a lengthy of investigation led by Bishop Leonard Blair of Toledo, Ohio.
The resulting report noted the good work they did with the poor and in running schools and hospitals, but also documented what it called a "grave" doctrinal crisis.
It said the sisters were promoting radical feminist themes and criticised US nuns for challenging the bishops, who it said were "the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals".
The Archbishop of Seattle, Peter Sartain, is to lead a reform of the LCWR.
This will include a review of ties between it and its close partner, Network, a social justice organisation involved in healthcare and poverty programmes.
Network was singled out for criticism in the report for "being silent on the right to life" and other "crucial issues" to the church.
Sister Campbell suggested that her organisation's vocal support for President Barack Obama's healthcare bill was behind the slapdown.
"There's a strong connection," she said. "We didn't split on faith, we split on politics."
American Bishops saw the Obama administration's Affordable Care Act as backing state-funded abortion. The nuns disagreed.
The Vatican said that the mandate to carry out reforms of the nuns' leadership "will be for a period of up to five years, as deemed necessary".
Archbishop Sartain said, "I hope to be of service to them and to the Holy See as we face areas of concern to all."
But Sister Campbell suggested a difficult time ahead: "It's totally a top-down process and I don't think the bishops have any idea of what they're in for."
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Catholic nuns group "stunned" by Vatican slap
(Reuters) - A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns' group said on Thursday it was "stunned" that the Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay marriage.
In a stinging report on Wednesday, the Vatican said the Leadership Conference of Women Religious had been "silent on the right to life" and had failed to make the "Biblical view of family life and human sexuality" a central plank in its agenda.
It also reprimanded American nuns for expressing positions on political issues that differed, at times, from views held by American bishops. Public disagreement with the bishops - "who are the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals" - is unacceptable, the report said.
The Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a "doctrinal assessment" saying the Holy See was compelled to intervene with the Leadership Conference of Women Religious to correct "serious doctrinal problems."
The nuns' group said in a statement on its website, "The presidency of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious was stunned by the conclusions of the doctrinal assessment."
It added the group may give a lengthier response at a later date.
The conference said it represented 80 percent of America's 57,000 Catholic nuns. It is influential both in the United States and globally.
Academics who study the church said the Vatican's move was predictable given Pope Benedict's conservative views and efforts by Rome to quell internal dissent and curtail autonomy within its ranks.
"This is more an expression of the Church feeling under siege by trends it cannot control within the Church, much less within the broader society," University of Notre Dame historian Scott Appleby said.
That includes a steady drumbeat of calls to ordain women as priests, which the pope has reasserted was an impossibility.
The Vatican named Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain and two other U.S. bishops to undertake the reforms of the conference's statutes, programs and its application of liturgical texts, a process it said could take up to five years.
Source.
Right now I'm torn between anger and a sort of unholy glee that the over-privileged bastards in the church hierarchy are actually feeling enough pressure in order to warrant a crackdown in the first place. Also, my response to any man who feels attacked or threatened by anything to do with feminism or with women having even marginal autonomy remains utterly unprintable to this day.
"I've no idea what they're talking about," Sister Simone Campbell, head of Network, a Catholic social justice lobby, told the BBC.
"Our role is to live the gospel with those who live on the margins of society. That's all we do."
On Wednesday the Vatican announced a crackdown on US nuns long considered too liberal by the church hierarchy.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Office of the Inquisition, issued a highly critical report that accused US nuns of engaging in "corporate dissent" and of ignoring, or worse, challenging the church's teachings on abortion, homosexuality and an all-male priesthood.
'Radical feminist themes'
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents 80% of America's 57,000 nuns, was the subject of a lengthy of investigation led by Bishop Leonard Blair of Toledo, Ohio.
The resulting report noted the good work they did with the poor and in running schools and hospitals, but also documented what it called a "grave" doctrinal crisis.
It said the sisters were promoting radical feminist themes and criticised US nuns for challenging the bishops, who it said were "the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals".
The Archbishop of Seattle, Peter Sartain, is to lead a reform of the LCWR.
This will include a review of ties between it and its close partner, Network, a social justice organisation involved in healthcare and poverty programmes.
Network was singled out for criticism in the report for "being silent on the right to life" and other "crucial issues" to the church.
Sister Campbell suggested that her organisation's vocal support for President Barack Obama's healthcare bill was behind the slapdown.
"There's a strong connection," she said. "We didn't split on faith, we split on politics."
American Bishops saw the Obama administration's Affordable Care Act as backing state-funded abortion. The nuns disagreed.
The Vatican said that the mandate to carry out reforms of the nuns' leadership "will be for a period of up to five years, as deemed necessary".
Archbishop Sartain said, "I hope to be of service to them and to the Holy See as we face areas of concern to all."
But Sister Campbell suggested a difficult time ahead: "It's totally a top-down process and I don't think the bishops have any idea of what they're in for."
Source.
Catholic nuns group "stunned" by Vatican slap
(Reuters) - A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns' group said on Thursday it was "stunned" that the Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay marriage.
In a stinging report on Wednesday, the Vatican said the Leadership Conference of Women Religious had been "silent on the right to life" and had failed to make the "Biblical view of family life and human sexuality" a central plank in its agenda.
It also reprimanded American nuns for expressing positions on political issues that differed, at times, from views held by American bishops. Public disagreement with the bishops - "who are the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals" - is unacceptable, the report said.
The Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a "doctrinal assessment" saying the Holy See was compelled to intervene with the Leadership Conference of Women Religious to correct "serious doctrinal problems."
The nuns' group said in a statement on its website, "The presidency of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious was stunned by the conclusions of the doctrinal assessment."
It added the group may give a lengthier response at a later date.
The conference said it represented 80 percent of America's 57,000 Catholic nuns. It is influential both in the United States and globally.
Academics who study the church said the Vatican's move was predictable given Pope Benedict's conservative views and efforts by Rome to quell internal dissent and curtail autonomy within its ranks.
"This is more an expression of the Church feeling under siege by trends it cannot control within the Church, much less within the broader society," University of Notre Dame historian Scott Appleby said.
That includes a steady drumbeat of calls to ordain women as priests, which the pope has reasserted was an impossibility.
The Vatican named Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain and two other U.S. bishops to undertake the reforms of the conference's statutes, programs and its application of liturgical texts, a process it said could take up to five years.
Source.
Right now I'm torn between anger and a sort of unholy glee that the over-privileged bastards in the church hierarchy are actually feeling enough pressure in order to warrant a crackdown in the first place. Also, my response to any man who feels attacked or threatened by anything to do with feminism or with women having even marginal autonomy remains utterly unprintable to this day.
Where's a Monty Python gif when you need it?
Not knowing anything about the structure of the orders, I wonder what would happen if the nuns just... refused to listen to anything the archbishop said?
That aside, I have trouble seeing any of the "dissenting" things described here as being especially Radical Feminist. They mostly just read as common sense.
I know these women and how they operate, and believe me, a scant few give a shit about anything but their own security (which is mighty!); and their lip service about social issues is frankly nauseating -- I say this as someone who was on the inside, and heard "homelessness is a choice" many times. These "nuns" shop at top malls, in civilian clothes. They dine well at excellent restaurants, sip cocktails at donor frequent functions, and scorn human beings in actual distress or need. They don't live in convents but private homes or apartments, and drive excellent cars and don't have to pay for anything.
Oh? And with all their resources, they're dumping their elderly into states systems, crying poverty.
Oh, and also? Many communities are drawing Social Security for their sisters, despite never having paid taxes in their lives.
So don't be fooled: US "nuns" are not feminist heroes, or even decent human beings. They just have a better sense of PR. They know the US media game and have picked their fake, manipulative issues better.
As for Ratzinger and his gang: pphht. If Nostradamus proves right and Ratzinger is the last pope, I'd call it fair.
The article, still, reads as "fuck you women", more than anything.
Strangely the Catholic Jesus I grew up with would be FAR more focused on helping the poor and sick than shouting about how The Gayz should stop being The Gay.
Jesus is love. Jesus is great.
:)
I miss my old Catholic Jesuit-run church where there was a ton of social justice programs and their school had a GSA. Can't even go back because the Vatican sent in a priest to sort it all out & make the parish conservative and judgmental and *headdesk* but that's what they got for letting a female priest from another denomination give the Christmas homily.
This stuff breaks my heart. I can't even call myself Catholic anymore.
being protestant growing up i never met any nuns or monks. but when i got married he came with two ex-nuns, both of whom got kicked out for getting knocked up. both from the same convent/nunnery. when they were found out, they were both told that if they gave the child up, then they could stay. one said screw you no, and the other said yes and after a couple years, got pregnant again and got then got booted.
my husbands aunt is the one who refused adoption, and his sisters birth mother gave her first baby away - she is the baby that got given up. when my husband told me the stories, i was like no, no way. no way you even know one fired nun let alone two.
the inquisition is still around? thats crazy weird. kinda cool though
I almost, ALMOST pity the bishop who's going to get that job. Give him hell, sister.
Why the fuck would the Catholic Church have a problem with more people having better access to health care? What planet am I living on?
Anyway, you go, nuns! Good for you!
It's all about the Obama healthcare bill including access to safe, legal abortion. Everything else gets tossed because of that.
It said the sisters were promoting radical feminist themes and criticised US nuns for challenging the bishops, who it said were "the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals".
I thought the Pope was the only one who is supposed to be infallible.
Your hypocrisy is showing.
But i'm heartily sick of old white men doing their level best to silence and subdue women. Even if the nuns have ulterior motives, at least they're doing more good than the fucking Pope and his toadies.
Office of the Inquisition, indeed.
Another reason I fled the church. The arrogance and self-righteousness with which the Vatican and its henchmen treat women who speak up is vile. Good for these nuns for not backing down. They're far more Christian than the stuffy old dickcheeses of the Vatican.
STUPID PATRIARCHICAL BASTARDS