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Catholic church urges pupils to sign anti-gay marriage petition

8:48 pm - 04/25/2012

Pupils at state-funded Catholic schools in England and Wales being asked to back campaign against same-sex marriage

The Roman Catholic church has written to every state-funded Catholic secondary school in England and Wales asking them to encourage pupils to sign a petition against gay marriage.

Students at one south London school were shown a presentation on religious opposition to government plans to let gay couples marry in civil ceremonies. Church leaders believe the proposal would reduce the significance of marriage.


The Catholic Education Service, which acts for Catholic bishops in England and Wales, contacted 385 secondary schools to highlight a letter read in parish churches last month, in which two archbishops told worshippers that Catholics have a "duty to do all we can to ensure that the true meaning of marriage is not lost for future generations".

The CES also asked schools to draw pupils' attention to the petition being organised by the Coalition for Marriage, a Christian campaign which has attracted more than 466,000 signatures to date.

Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society, said: "This is a clear breach of the authority and privilege that the Catholic Education Service has been given in schools.

"Surely it is no part of its remit to promote a specific political campaign from this purely sectarian viewpoint. It is disgraceful that children are being encouraged into bigotry when they are attending a state school paid for by taxpayers."

A pupil at St Philomena's Catholic high school for girls in Carshalton, in the south London borough of Sutton, told the website PinkNews.co.uk that children aged 11 to 18 had been encouraged to sign the anti-equality pledge by their headteacher.

She said: "In our assembly for the whole sixth form you could feel people bristling as she explained parts of the letter and encouraged us to sign the petition. It was just a really outdated, misjudged and heavily biased presentation."

She said some pupils had responded by buying Gay Pride badges to pin to their uniforms. "There are several people in my year who aren't heterosexual – myself included – and I for one was appalled and actually disgusted by what they were encouraging," she said. "After all, that's discrimination they were urging impressionable people to engage in, which is unacceptable."

The British Humanist Association said the CES's actions were likely to be in breach of sections 406 and 407 of the 1996 Education Act, which ban the political indoctrination of schoolchildren and require political views to be presented in a balanced way. The Act was used in a failed attempt to prevent schools showing Al Gore's climate change documentary An Inconvenient Truth.

The BHA's faith schools campaigner, Richy Thompson, said: "This action by the Catholic Education Service is absolutely outrageous." Thompson said the church has undermined "one of their core arguments against gay marriage, which is supposedly to protect children from exposure to such matters".

A CES spokeswoman said: "We said that schools might like to consider using this [letter] in assemblies or in class teaching. We said people might want to consider asking pupils and parents if they might want to sign the petition. It's really important that no school discriminates against any member of the school community.

"Schools with a religious character are allowed to teach sex and relationships – and conduct assemblies – in accordance with the religious views of the school. The Catholic view of marriage is not a political view; it's a religious view."


Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/25/catholic-church-schools-gay-marriage/print

riath 25th-Apr-2012 09:22 pm (UTC)


Fuck these schools. Slightly related, I saw someone griping on HuffPo UK about how gay marriage is a bad idea and how it's heterophobic. Between that and this fuckery I'm just about ready to grab my whiskey bottle and go hide somewhere until these people go the fuck away.

She said some pupils had responded by buying Gay Pride badges to pin to their uniforms.

I am glad that some of the students are fighting back against this bigotry.

riath 25th-Apr-2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
Yep, that was pretty much my reaction. I swear, I just can't with these people any more.
violetrose 26th-Apr-2012 12:11 am (UTC)
I still can't believe there's a HuffPo UK tbh.

I saw someone griping on HuffPo UK about how gay marriage is a bad idea and how it's heterophobic.

How. Did this person have even a marginally logical explanation?
riath 26th-Apr-2012 07:48 am (UTC)
They didn't have any explanation at all, let alone one that was logical. A number of people challenged them on it, but they just kept repeating that gay marriage is heterophobic. Id never heard that phrase before now, so their arguments, or lack of them I should say, tells me that the concept is pretty much bullshit,
mumbles 25th-Apr-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
Bigots ):
mirhanda 25th-Apr-2012 10:22 pm (UTC)
You know what reduces the significance of marriage? Hollywood stars marrying and divorce umpty-million times and discarding former spouses like used tissue.
mornings 26th-Apr-2012 06:51 am (UTC)
This! So much.
myrana 25th-Apr-2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
And I'm just going to post a link to the response petition that's been set up by the Coalition for Equal Marriage, and ask any UK-based _P people to sign it! It's here: www.c4em.org.uk - currently stands at 48.5k signatures. Spread it around on Facebook and stuff!

(For reference, the original awful Coalition for Marriage petition is here: www.c4m.org.uk - and currently stands at 467k, mainly because they've been passing it around churches and schools, as this article is describing. D:)
siobhanc92 25th-Apr-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
"Prof. Kenneth Walters, Aberystwyth"

I'm at Aberystwyth so that bothers me. It pisses me off he is using his position to legitimise the c4m. :(
myrana 25th-Apr-2012 11:22 pm (UTC)
Ikr? :( There's a bunch of university professors signing it and, what a surprise, they're all old, white men.
violetrose 26th-Apr-2012 12:17 am (UTC)
A lot of the names seemed older to me. I'm 23 and while I don't know that many 23 year old's, even the people I do know would probably never sign this petition. Or at least I hope so.
strandedinaber 26th-Apr-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
Ugh, really? I went to Aber so that pisses me off, too. I wonder which department he was in. Tempted to email and say I'm withdrawing my financial contributions to the university until Aber's reputation is no longer used to support bigoted and homophobic positions.
siobhanc92 26th-Apr-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
I believe he is in the Institute for Maths and Physics. There was going to be a rally and a petition but people were being prats and kept saying we were wrong to target him individually and we were infringing on his free speech or something. Ugh.

AberPride released a statement to the student paper which was along those lines which is one of several reasons why I feel alienated from them. I don't care about peoples personal opinions but when he uses his position to give an organization like that legitimacy I think it is very disrespectful to students and collegues.
ruby_chalice 26th-Apr-2012 06:11 am (UTC)
Signed.

Thanks for the link. :D
riath 26th-Apr-2012 08:12 am (UTC)
Signed and filled out the consultation form. Emailed my MP as well.

Thanks for posting the link.
strandedinaber 26th-Apr-2012 04:10 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the link! I'd filled in the consultation but hadn't signed the petition yet.
soultoast 25th-Apr-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
Can you quit the Catholic church somehow, if you were confirmed? Are you on the books somewhere?
I feel like I might need to do that to live with myself.
csi_vixen 26th-Apr-2012 05:34 am (UTC)
If you go to your local diocese, you can be removed from the Church's numbers. You have to fill out a bit of paperwork, if I remember correctly. I keep meaning to get around to it.
sparkindarkness 25th-Apr-2012 10:49 pm (UTC)
See, this is why I rarely bother with the Westboro Baptist church. As hateful and extreme as it is, I don't think it is in any way worse than the Catholic church - and the Catholic church is far more powerful, far more wide reaching, far more dangerous and has far more protectors and excusers for its bigotry
siobhanc92 25th-Apr-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm from an Irish Catholic background so I have many opinions on this.
I'm really glad my parents are atheists.
oxymoron67 26th-Apr-2012 01:55 am (UTC)
I understand. I was raised Catholic and, after I came out of the closet, tried to juggle being Catholic and gay.

I realized that I couldn't.
mornings 26th-Apr-2012 06:54 am (UTC)
I'm still trying. I wonder how long I'll last.
paulnolan 26th-Apr-2012 06:38 am (UTC)
This. TBH sometimes I think WBC only exists to make straight people feel good about themselves, that even they know it's bad.
bushy_brow 26th-Apr-2012 03:57 pm (UTC)
A-yup. The only real difference between the two is the politeness of their rhetoric.
jamethiel_bane 25th-Apr-2012 10:58 pm (UTC)
AUGH. I can't even.
tabaqui 26th-Apr-2012 12:01 am (UTC)
Well, that's fucking...hateful of them. Asshats. Nice to see some students fighting back.
alicephilippa 26th-Apr-2012 12:05 am (UTC)
WTF?

So, getting pupils to sign a petition directly related to a political campaign is religious? Since when, and can they not see the ridiculousnessness of their position.

The CES sould be ashamed at the way they are promoting bigotry.
violetrose 26th-Apr-2012 12:09 am (UTC)
She said some pupils had responded by buying Gay Pride badges to pin to their uniforms.

This makes me incredibly happy. I have faith that most British people, including other Catholics, won't sign such a petition, but idk. :/
mysid 26th-Apr-2012 02:11 am (UTC)
She said some pupils had responded by buying Gay Pride badges to pin to their uniforms.

Good for them!

It's what I would have done. I attended a Catholic HS, and I remember being asked to bring home a petition for my parents to sign. (They were of voting age; I wasn't yet.) I didn't agree with the petition, so it went into the trash rather than home.
little_rachael 26th-Apr-2012 03:27 am (UTC)
Yay for the students who fought back.

I'm just sick of the RCC and its bull. I was actually close to tears after reading my mother's Catholic newsletter, which was urging Alaskans to vote against a local ENDA-type proposition (it failed).
mornings 26th-Apr-2012 06:55 am (UTC)
These are the moments when I'm so ashamed of being Catholic that I want to cry.
wrongheaded 26th-Apr-2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
You really should leave. Do you think they'll stop otherwise? I honestly believe it will take a mass exodus for them to shape up, but that won't happen until people of conscience initiate it. Please, for everyone's sake, get your name off their books and get your friends/family to do the same. Tell them exactly why you're leaving. Make a fuss. Otherwise they'll count you as one of the flock, and we'll spend the next couple decades feeling the effects of their confidence.

Edited at 2012-04-26 11:59 pm (UTC)
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