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Suicides caused by bad parenting, not bullying

4:15 pm - 04/25/2012
According to Jeremy Faison (R, TN). He apparently issued an "apology", though.

Jeremy Faison, Tennessee Representative, Says Suicides Caused By Bad Parenting, Not Bullying

A Tennessee-based lawmaker raised more than a few eyebrows this week after suggesting that children were committing suicide were doing so because they "were not instilled the proper principles" at home.

As The Tennessean is reporting, State Rep. Jeremy Faison (R-Cosby) spoke up against a proposed cyberbullying bill, and may have been alluding to the recent suicides by Phillip Parker and Jacob Rogers, both of whom had allegedly complained of being bullied over their sexual orientation in the state.

"We can’t continue to legislate everything," he said in his speech. "We’ve had some horrible things happen in America and in our state, and there’s children that have actually committed suicide, but I will submit to you today that they did not commit suicide because of somebody bullying them. They committed suicide because they were not instilled the proper principles of where their self-esteem came from at home."

Faison continued, "Now, instead of sending children to the principal's audience, we're sending them to the criminal court...there's people in this room right here who, at one time in their life, were a bully. But you didn't grow up to be a bad person."

A spokesperson for the Tennessee Democratic Party decried Faison's comments on the group's official blog. "What a disgrace," the spokesperson wrote, slamming what they described as Faison's "boys will be boys" mentality. “It is unfortunate that some in the Republican Party have become the protectors of bullies. Of course, it is not terribly surprising, because as a legislative group they are nothing but bullies, disparaging and demeaning those without power in this country in order to build themselves up."

Faison reportedly issued a statement in which he apologized for his "poor choice of words, The Tennessean notes. "My true intent was to protect children from becoming criminals," he wrote. "Suicide has touched my family, and I would never want a parent or family member to feel they were responsible for such an unimaginable tragedy."

Earlier this month, the state's infamous "Don’t Say Gay" bill reportedly advanced in a House committee by a vote of 8-7 on Tuesday and will now "go to the calendar committee before a floor vote," according to ThinkProgress. That bill would reportedly make it illegal for educators to discuss any sexual behavior apart from heterosexuality with students in kindergarten up through the eighth grade.
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sparkindarkness 25th-Apr-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
Because parents can magically counter all of the hate a kid faces every single day? No, they can add to it, but there's a lot of hate out there (media, government - as seen, religion) it's impossible for parents to even remotely try and counter all of it.

It's an unrelenting barrage against kids - and a carte blanche to the bullies to bully - after all, we have all these authority figures saying it's ok, right? What kind of miracle parents are supposed to be able to shield kids against all of this shit?


Edited at 2012-04-25 10:46 pm (UTC)
doverz 25th-Apr-2012 10:46 pm (UTC)
What a fucking piece of shit.
suzycat 25th-Apr-2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
It kind of sounds like he thinks the parents weren't teaching those kids to be straight enough. Because obviously straightness will make it alllll better!

FAIL.
the_archandroid 25th-Apr-2012 10:51 pm (UTC)
Wow. There is a Metric Shit - ton's worth of empirical articles that can refute this, in addition to well established developmental theory that codifies the influence of peers and the importance that socialization plays in normative development. Parents are just one of the many intertwining factors that go into guiding a kid's affect, but the relationship to peers and the subsequent construal of the self is one that starts early and can have far reaching effects into the life span. This man's ignorance is staggeringly impressive, I almost want to applaud him... but not really.
shanniesaysyo 25th-Apr-2012 10:54 pm (UTC)
FUCK this guy
its_anya 25th-Apr-2012 10:56 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... how about fuck this fucking fuck?

That sounds about right.
ahzuri 25th-Apr-2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

A parent lost their child because they were bullied and the child felt there was no other out so you are going to blame it on the parent?! DO YOU EVEN HAVE A FUCKING SOUL?!
adelheide 25th-Apr-2012 11:02 pm (UTC)
Well, I know my urge for homicide is caused by self-righteous assholes, not the need to kill people.
jamethiel_bane 25th-Apr-2012 11:04 pm (UTC)
there's people in this room right here who, at one time in their life, were a bully. But you didn't grow up to be a bad person.

Depends who you ask. Some of my bullies were just along for the ride. But the perpetrator, the girl who organised, egged on and co-ordinated my harassment? She's still a fucking horrible person. Anyone who's interacted with her (recently, too) says the same thing.

Sounds like he's trying to rationalise being a bully, honestly.

Edited at 2012-04-25 11:05 pm (UTC)
mountain_hiker 25th-Apr-2012 11:09 pm (UTC)
Sounds like he's trying to rationalise being a bully, honestly.

Of course. Gay kids invite bullying like women who dress sexy invite sexual assault. </sarcasm>

Edited at 2012-04-25 11:10 pm (UTC)
crossfire 25th-Apr-2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
I got your ~poor choice of words~ right here, buddy.
bluelarkspur 25th-Apr-2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
there's people in this room right here who, at one time in their life, were a bully. But you didn't grow up to be a bad person.
Sure, I can buy that. But growing up to be a good person doesn't automatically make your previous behavior not shitty. Why is this a hard concept to understand? Maybe you can help those bullies grow up to be a good person by not tolerating their shit.
jamethiel_bane 25th-Apr-2012 11:17 pm (UTC)
THIS.
enchantedkiss_x 25th-Apr-2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
Could my state just do one thing to not make us all look like ignorant judgmental assholes?

No?

It honestly blows my mind that people like this are allowed to be in the government. The statements these senators/congressmen have been making in recent months (about a variety of these subjects) have been so outrageously moronic and just devoid of basic human decency that I can't believe they still have supporters.

I'm so disillusioned with this country (and my state in particular).
4o5pastmidnight 26th-Apr-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
Could my state just do one thing to not make us all look like ignorant judgmental assholes?

Now you know what it feels like to be a Democrat in Texas.
bex 25th-Apr-2012 11:37 pm (UTC)
I love this comm. <3 All the things I wanna say have been said and nobody actually came in here and said this was alright. *starryeyes*
tabaqui 25th-Apr-2012 11:40 pm (UTC)
Jayzus friggin' christ. What an unmitigated idiot. No, and no, and no again. Shut up, you jerk.

And yes - the GOP is basically the party of bullies.
ducttapeninja 25th-Apr-2012 11:44 pm (UTC)
"I would never want a parent or family member to feel they were responsible for such an unimaginable tragedy."

Then why did you try and blame the parents for these suicides you shithole

Edited at 2012-04-25 11:45 pm (UTC)
kitanabychoice tw for self-mutilation and suicide attempts?25th-Apr-2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
There is some truth to his statement, but only a little. Yes, self-esteem starts at home, but there is no way for parents to deflect everything that happens in schools, with friends, in relationships that kids/teens build.

I had really great self-esteem when I was 16, but shortly after I got my first boyfriend and between his behavior and many of our mutual friends condoning and joining in on the behavior, my self-esteem tanked out. He hit me, made fun of me, encouraged others to make fun of me, and I didn't know how to deal because I was young, and I was 'in love' and thought there really was something wrong with me. I attempted suicide a few times, was hospitalized even, and cut myself all up trying to deal with how I was feeling.

And there was nothing my grandmother could do about my self-esteem except to remind me that she loved me because I was just that deep in despair. So fuck this guy and his sweeping statements.
adelheide Re: tw for self-mutilation and suicide attempts?25th-Apr-2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
Yes. Parents have very little control about what their kids are exposed to once their kids start going to school. While parents still play an influential role in their childrens lives, peers have a great impact the older the child gets.

Very often, letting a child know how much they are loved is huge because everyone else is telling them the opposite. I'm glad you had your grandmother in your corner.
alizara 25th-Apr-2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
Fuck this guy. That's all I've got.
elobelia 26th-Apr-2012 12:09 am (UTC)
I guarantee if one of his children committed suicide, he'd be the magical exception to the rule.
angelus7988 26th-Apr-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
Well yeah. The rallying cry of conservatives is essentially "Fuck everyone... except me."
captain_emily 26th-Apr-2012 12:26 am (UTC)
This jackass should stop talking in circles and just say what he really means. "If you didn't let your kids be gay, they wouldn't get bullied."

FUCK YOU.

It astonishes me that someone can be so callous.

Edited at 2012-04-26 12:26 am (UTC)
redstar826 26th-Apr-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
nah, I'm still pretty certain that when I tried to kill myself it was because of homophobia, not because of bad parenting
lux_roark 26th-Apr-2012 12:50 am (UTC)
AFSP put out a statement saying that 90% of all suicides are caused by mental illnesses.
sankaku_atama 26th-Apr-2012 12:53 am (UTC)
but I will submit to you today that they did not commit suicide because of somebody bullying them.

AND YOU WOULD BE WRONG, YOU CALLOUS, ARROGANT FUCKWEASEL OF THE TUNDRA!
mollywobbles867 26th-Apr-2012 12:55 am (UTC)
What about the parents of bullies? Oh, they're exempt from the magical parenting rule?
darsynia 27th-Apr-2012 02:23 am (UTC)
THIIIIIISSSSSSS.
tiddlywinks103 26th-Apr-2012 12:59 am (UTC)
Now, instead of sending children to the principal's audience, we're sending them to the criminal court...there's people in this room right here who, at one time in their life, were a bully. But you didn't grow up to be a bad person.

~A Bully


Edited at 2012-04-26 01:00 am (UTC)
365reasonswhy 26th-Apr-2012 01:15 am (UTC)
What a gross human being.
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