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Gawker Calls Out Hipster Racism, Is Called Out for Hipster Racism

6:27 pm - 04/26/2012
Social Commentary post by Kjerstin Johnson, Submitted (to Bitch Magazine) by Kjerstin Johnson on April 26, 2012 - 3:47pm; 

Oh Gawker. Lindy West's Jezebel post on Hipster Racism is blowing up certain parts of the Internet today. In it, West goes over four main points of "hipster racism"—where folks justify racism by poorly hiding behind irony (Sarah Silverman—we see you!). On Racialicious, Carmen Van Kerckhove dubbed hipster racism one of 2006's top race and pop culture trends, which means that hipster or "ironic" racism has been a topic of conversation by writers of color and others in the social justice sphere for literally years. You won't find any links or acknowledgments of these earlier discussions in West's Jezebel post, but hey, at least a whole new audience of people will be that much closer to knowing how to talk about stuff like Lesley Arfin's insensitive, "ironic" tweet last week.

One dude definitely didn't read the post though (or maybe he did read it, and was oblivious). A. J. Daulerio of Gawker (remember, Jezebel is part of Gawker Media) posted a short but incredibly whiny post complaining about the backlash of Gawker's strange new comments system. "Change is disruptive. Change makes old things go away. Boo, change. We'll deal," said Daulerio. He concluded, "I'm just trying to build sturdy branches for us to chat on. Let's go be a fun family of talking birds on branches in the comments and have a meaningful Native American Chit-Chat. Come, come." What? In case this appropriative and nonsensical metaphor didn't call enough attention to itself, there was also a large graphic of three black birds with feather headbands. You can see the graphic below, followed by the sarcastic Twitter response of Adrienne at Native Appropriations: "Thanks for the insensitive graphic, Gawker. You guys are really on point with the hipster racism. So ironic and funny!"



This isn't really much of a surprise though. Just a couple weeks ago Jezebel editor Jessica Coen trotted out some hipster ableism when she tweeted "The word 'ableism' is lame and crazy." Stay tuned for a bestselling book by her, Daulerio, Arfin (and you too, Chloë Sevigny?!) called How to Be Offensive When You're on the Defensive. You'll know it because of the feathered headdresses on the cover.

Source is one of the few places where it's okay to read the comments
ladypolitik 27th-Apr-2012 02:26 am (UTC)
melodic_notes 27th-Apr-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
LOL, I'M CRYING.
astridmyrna 27th-Apr-2012 04:41 am (UTC)
OMFG ow my spleen.
wrestlingdog 27th-Apr-2012 04:49 am (UTC)
LMFAO.
evil_laugher 27th-Apr-2012 06:10 am (UTC)
Tommy probably purchased his loincloth from Urban Outfitters just for the event.
hey_mayonegg 27th-Apr-2012 07:34 am (UTC)
LOL
poetic_pixie_13 I swear I have this uploaded specifically for you27th-Apr-2012 05:23 pm (UTC)
eyetosky 27th-Apr-2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
AAAAHAHAHAHA
ceruleanst 27th-Apr-2012 02:56 am (UTC)
"and have a meaningful Native American Chit-Chat. Come, come." What?

It took me a little while, but I finally translated this as "I wanted to say powwow but I'll be 'politically correct', ha ha."
popehippo 27th-Apr-2012 03:20 am (UTC)
Knew this would be a funny the second I saw Jezebel.
veryshortlist 27th-Apr-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
i can't even with jezebel anymore. what a shitty sad website it's become.
dramaturgy 27th-Apr-2012 04:12 am (UTC)
Oh, come on. What the hell, people.
chibi_lurrel 27th-Apr-2012 05:37 am (UTC)
The new commenting system is called Powwow. :/

I like Lindy West but yeah it's nothing new when a white lady feminist gets to stand on the shoulders of WOC's writing and distribute it as her own great idea. ugggh.
keestone 27th-Apr-2012 11:28 am (UTC)
In defense of Lindy, she doesn't seem to be doing much more than summing up in her own voice a lot of what's been under discussion in Jezebel comments for ages, and she links to a Racialicious article in the post.
angelofdeath275 27th-Apr-2012 12:08 pm (UTC)
something white feminists have been doing since forever
keestone 27th-Apr-2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
Summing things up on a site where lots of commenters have been referencing ideas related to an issue or linking to people who were talking about an issue first? </p>

I don't think this particular case is a good example of appropriating the ideas or arguments of others.

kitschaster 27th-Apr-2012 12:24 pm (UTC)
I didn't even /think/ about this until you just said it. Ugh. This article/issue would have never received attention if it weren't a white feminist writing it.
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 07:28 am (UTC)
I can't say I'm particularly surprised that Jezebel would have a white person talking like they're an expert on racism. Jezebel thinks men's opinions totally count in feminism; clearly the concept of privilege doesn't even exist in their sphere. Allies are totes the important ones, y'all.
recorded 27th-Apr-2012 08:24 am (UTC)
I understand what you're saying about how irritating it is to have someone speaking for you / jacking your message / pretending they know better than people who actually experience it, but allies are important. Not the important ones, but they are crucial to making progress. They reach audiences the oppressed can't (harder to dismiss) or can reach wider audiences from more positions of power.

Some people on here shat on the guy who wrote about playing as a female character in games and the sexist experience when people think you're a woman, but a lot more guys probably actually considered his message about sexism in gaming than they would have if it was written by a woman. I was happy to have the message getting out at all and not being instantly dismissed like I am whenever I speak in video game communities about sexism. Fuck you, Dungeon Defenders and various Tf2 communities.


Though, maybe I missed some terrible infractions in the Jezebel article since I'm reading it on empty.
angelofdeath275 27th-Apr-2012 12:13 pm (UTC)
If they refuse to listen to Actual Oppressed People, then they really don't care at all. If they magically listen to Allies, then that only confirms by belief. Because that Ally wouldn't be the first time they were told. I'm certain they're been told by PoC, women, Queer Folk, etc. and when an Ally comes around, they get it know?

lol no

This is why I have a problem with allies. Yes, they can get helpful, but only so much. In the case with Jezebel, they've been fucking up since forever
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 03:51 pm (UTC)
^ All of that, plus everything in this December archive, and a shit-ton more. I have never heard an ally actually actively challenging the oppression of marginalized people without it being somehow dismissive and marginalizing on its own. IMO, allies should pass along the words of minorities, and respectfully support them, rather than getting all high off their importance and thinking they have the right to speak publicly for the people they are privileged over. Preach privately to your homophobic grandpa/your racist parents/that misogynistic friend you play bar trivia with. Maybe you can make some one-on-one difference with people you actually know, which is the only way I'll buy the "it's different coming from the ally" thing (because it could be based on listening due to the personal relationship shared, and not because ~hush everyone listen a straight white dude is talking) and it won't be out of cookie-seeking nonsense, expecting minorities to fall at your feet because you're such a super-special ally.

Ugh, just fuck the concept so much.
recorded 27th-Apr-2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/9596660.html?thread=586332148#t586332148

edit; also, just starting to read the link you linked.

Edited at 2012-04-27 09:48 pm (UTC)
recorded 27th-Apr-2012 10:10 pm (UTC)
I read your December archive and I know people who are like that and I will definitely be linking it to my SO, but that's not what I'm talking about.

thinking they have the right to speak publicly for the people they are privileged over. Preach privately

I disagree with this. Of course, I don't want someone speaking FOR me, but I do want public support of allies spreading the word. There are some really, really helpful speakers who do it well.
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
Within the first minute, that video starts by a male declaring that he's stolen a woman's ideas, and here he goes to talk about it instead of letting her talk! Well that's clearly a perfect example of how awesome allies are and not problematic and relying on misogynistic humor from the get-go or anything. It was so stereotype-heavy I checked out before minute 3. Because wtf no. Let's go ahead and assume all this "doing it well" was in the last chunk of the video, then?
recorded 27th-Apr-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
He's stating that he's talked about it with someone who knows a little something about the topic and he's regurgitating something he's learned through speaking with her. He isn't speaking for her. He's spreading a message he became familiar with through her writing.
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
Leading up like he was going to have her "guest-speak," then saying, "I've already stolen her notes" and yammering on himself. Yeah, that's totally not problematic at all. Talking over minorities? The hell you say.
recorded 27th-Apr-2012 09:44 pm (UTC)
If they refuse to listen to Actual Oppressed People, then they really don't care at all. If they magically listen to Allies, then that only confirms by belief.

This is exactly what I'm saying. It's about forcing people who don't want to stop being sexist/racist/homophobic/whatever to listen or change by having allies ostracize them or call out their bullshit. I'm not saying that it's always the case that only allies can get through to some of those assholes, but be real. In extreme cases of bigotry-- the bigots will not listen to those they are prejudice against. If a person is extremely racist, how likely is it that they will listen to what POC have to say without dismissing the POC before they even speak? Having allies get through to them doesn't mean they're suddenly no longer a bigot, just that they make small progresses.

My guys friends have made break-throughs with guys I could not, because some people are so sexist that everything I say is invalid. Are they suddenly not sexist because they listened to an ally? Hell no, but they did make small progress. Are they less dismissive of women now? lol no, but they don't make 'get in the kitchen' jokes anymore because a guy spoke up and explained why it's fucked up and they listened to him.
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
1) Starting this by linking to something not everyone (myself included) can read is pretty ableist. Teeny print and no transcription might be fine for you, but somebody like me can't tell you whether that link means a damn thing because I can't read it.

2) In extreme cases of bigotry-- the bigots will not listen to those they are prejudice against.

And these are the same people who will call allies "p***y-whipped" or closeted or whatever thing they can come up with to dismiss allies as just being fucking weak, so this argument doesn't work.

3) My guys friends have made break-throughs with guys I could not, because some people are so sexist that everything I say is invalid. Are they suddenly not sexist because they listened to an ally? Hell no, but they did make small progress. Are they less dismissive of women now? lol no, but they don't make 'get in the kitchen' jokes anymore because a guy spoke up and explained why it's fucked up and they listened to him.

So did your guy friends go on extremely popular websites preaching to these other guys (rather than giving the platform to a woman who'd be better able to tackle this issue of prejudice) or did they individually approach men, or men in a personal sphere? In the case of the former, my eye remains side. In the case of the latter, see my last comment.

Edited for html.

Edited at 2012-04-27 10:05 pm (UTC)
recorded 27th-Apr-2012 10:28 pm (UTC)
1) Try this link? I cannot find a text transcript. It's a video with unrelated imagery.


2) Not always. Yes, a lot of times there are completely lost causes and they won't listen to anyone but most of the time (IME) they will listen to some white/able/male/straight ally and not be so dismissive of their points. Gateway drugs, if you will.


3) Generally (in my anecdotal experience), this has happened on community gaming forums or facebook groups. There are plenty of examples of it happening in 'large scale' via public speakers or public figures.

Edited at 2012-04-27 10:29 pm (UTC)
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
1) It's nice that you tried to find an alternative source, but it's sort of gross to reply to "hey you were being prejudiced" without any sort of acknowledgment or apology. I'm thinking this relates to your view on allies. <------ Edit: Ignoring this is getting grosser and more telling with each passing minute, especially as you replied to a different comment.

2) I'm glad your anecdata supports your opinion. Anecdata does that.

3) There are plenty of examples of it happening in 'large scale' via public speakers or public figures.

Please to be pointing me to where these "I'M NOT EVEN GONNA LISTEN TO THAT FUCKING *insertminorityslurhere* TALK!" people were "converted" via such actions. TED conferences are not appropriate samplings of humanity.

Edited at 2012-04-27 11:05 pm (UTC)
kitschaster 27th-Apr-2012 12:13 pm (UTC)
Speaking of that hipster article, I've never seen so much whitesplaining in my fucking life when it came to the recent connotation of the word "thug", "ghetto", and even the n-word.

A comment from the comments section on the Hipster article,

"Interesting that you use "ghetto." It's an Italian word used to describe Jewish communities, which were segregated from the rest of the city. Now we Jews are considered "white," but we weren't always. The meaning of the words have changed- ghetto now refers to something else entirely and I'm (apparently) not allowed to use it any more. I'm inclined to the think the same thing happened with "thug"?"

Oh no! She can't use the word ghetto anymore! And quite possibly thug! And don't you know that most of American doesn't even think of black people when they hear the word "thug". Oh, it must be "thug life", amirite? Wait, but I have all these white friends who were considered thugs, okay. And if you think of black people instantly when you think of thug and hip hop music, you're racist. Oh, and Hip hop music is so terrible, because rock music never portrays women in misogynist ways. Nope. No under-dressed women in rock videos. Or violent lyrics towards them. Btw, the n-word isn't even referring to black people, okay? It just means ignorant. And did you know that Trayvon Martin was being referred to as an Italian mobster when all those white people were calling him a "thug"? Because that's where it came from, so stop saying it has some sort of wacky and weird new "racial" connotation, okay? Wait, didn't Tupac invent "thug life"? I don't know, but I can hate hip hop without hating black people, you just have to be careful what you say, okay?


I actually got a migraine after reading all of it. A migraine. A literal migraine, not a figurative one. As in, I had to shut my computer, and lie down for 20 minutes or so after popping some ibuprofen. I swear that white people only resort to this logic to seem as non-racist as possible, but there was one brave Black woman in that comments section making it happen, at least. Kudos to you, GrapeParfait.

Edited at 2012-04-27 12:16 pm (UTC)
lovedforaday 27th-Apr-2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
I thought the "but gang signs predate black gang culture so it's okay for white people to use them" comment was really precious.
bnmc2005 27th-Apr-2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
The meaning of the words have changed- ghetto now refers to something else entirely and I'm (apparently) not allowed to use it any more.

The use of the word "allowed" in these arguments always grates on my nerves. Yes, white lady, you're not "Allowed" because asking someone to take responsibility for the context of their own words, and to be more aware of the MEANING and HISTORY behind the WORDS they CHOOSE and how they affect other people equates to some kind of oppressive and insurmountable tyranny.

Just... stop.

Edited at 2012-04-27 03:23 pm (UTC)
bunnika 27th-Apr-2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
"Btw, the n-word isn't even referring to black people, okay? It just means ignorant."

You mean this is an actual thing? My friend's ex-father-in-law (who is so prejudiced in every way, I honestly fail to have words for it) pulled that, and I thought it was something he invented. I'm suddenly so much sadder for humanity.
hashishinahooka 27th-Apr-2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
My Black grandmother even said that the other day, and I had to set her straight on that. I wish that meme would die.
nyxelestia 27th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
I've never liked hipster culture. *stares woebegone at school*
poetic_pixie_13 27th-Apr-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
Just a couple weeks ago Jezebel editor Jessica Coen trotted out some hipster ableism when she tweeted "The word 'ableism' is lame and crazy."

.... seriously? You want to reduce the dialogue to ".... yeah, well your face is stupid." territory.

Jezebel has never been good at writing about race. Just, no.

Although, rereading the Racialicious article I was reminded of the existence of Kill Whitey Parties, so.
hashishinahooka 27th-Apr-2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
Would you mind if I steal your icon?
masakochan 27th-Apr-2012 11:31 pm (UTC)
...A white guy tries to 'kill' the Whiteness inside of himself by playing hip-hop music?



laja_89 27th-Apr-2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
This is a good blog on native appropriation: http://nativeappropriations.blogspot.ca
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