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Stephen Harper shouted down for saying NDP didn’t support fight against Hitler

10:00 pm - 04/26/2012
Prime Minister Stephen Harper was shouted down during a debate in question period Thursday on the Afghanistan mission for suggesting the NDP – not yet in existence – didn’t even support Canada’s military involvement in the Second World War.

NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair was asking Harper if he intended to extend the Afghanistan mission past 2014 after a Postmedia News report Wednesday said U.S officials had asked Canadian special forces to stay past the withdrawal date.

The prime minister responded the NDP has a pacifistic ideology “regardless of circumstances” and his government would make the right decision for Afghanistan’s security.

“In 1939, the NDP leader didn’t even want to support the fight against Hitler,” Harper said, before being drowned out by cat calls.

NDP MPs gently reminded Harper from across the aisle that the NDP didn’t come into existence until 1961, birthed by a union between the socialist Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) and the Canadian Labour Congress.

“CCF, NDP, same difference,” Harper responded curtly.

“I guess we can start talking about Reform Party policies,” Mulcair replied, to the delight of the opposition benches.

Thursday’s session of question period also brought up the specter of a debate on abortion.

Conservative Kitchener MP Stephen Woodworth introduced a motion Thursday to create a committee to look into the definition of when human life begins. Currently, human life is defined by Canadian law as beginning when a baby leaves the mother’s birth canal.

Pro-choice advocates say the motion is intended as a backdoor approach to banning abortion.

Harper has repeatedly said his government would not reopen the abortion debate and stated he would be voting against Woodworth’s motion.

The House of Commons will not vote on the motion until at least June.

Harper, who runs a notoriously tight caucus, was criticized by Mulcair for allowing the motion to occur.

Harper said that any MP can table a private member’s bill if they want.

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effervescent 27th-Apr-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
I like Mulcair so far. :D Hopefully he has this much energy and gets people's attention in the next election. (Yes, I'm thinking that far off already.)
yeats 27th-Apr-2012 04:52 am (UTC)
Initially the CCF said Canada should give only economic support to Britain—it opposed sending Canadian troops to fight.

...which is not entirely surprising, given that canadian troops were used by british commanders as cannon fodder during wwi.
romp 27th-Apr-2012 05:11 am (UTC)
MTE
youkiddinright 27th-Apr-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
Pretty much.
tigerdreams 27th-Apr-2012 04:08 am (UTC)
Currently, human life is defined by Canadian law as beginning when a baby leaves the mother’s birth canal.

On the one hand, this is good insofar as it concerns reproductive rights. On the other hand, what about Caesarian sections? Under Canadian law, I might not technically be a person... *shifty eyes*
tigerdreams 27th-Apr-2012 04:19 am (UTC)
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Presumably the article was trying to summarize the law, and lost a couple of rather key details in the process.
sankaku_atama 27th-Apr-2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
I wish America would adopt this definition.
spiffynamehere 27th-Apr-2012 04:34 am (UTC)
'“In 1939, the NDP leader didn’t even want to support the fight against Hitler,” Harper said, before being drowned out by cat calls.

NDP MPs gently reminded Harper from across the aisle that the NDP didn’t come into existence until 1961, birthed by a union between the socialist Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) and the Canadian Labour Congress.'

So much giggling. OH SNAP.
beoweasel 27th-Apr-2012 04:43 am (UTC)
NDP MPs gently reminded Harper from across the aisle that the NDP didn’t come into existence until 1961, birthed by a union between the socialist Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) and the Canadian Labour Congress.'

I think that's what Harper was referring to, as the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation was strictly against the war.

But at any rate, the comparison is ridiculous for several reasons. There is real no similarity between the Afghan conflict and World War II, for example. :P
spiffynamehere 27th-Apr-2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
It probably was! I just love that he was making accusations against something that didn't even exist at the time.
kyra_neko_rei 27th-Apr-2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
Whooooooops!

*giggles*

Hey, maybe this can solve their abortion debate---just offer exemption from abortion to fetuses who've served in their country's military prior to birth!
spiffynamehere 27th-Apr-2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
Sounds good to me!
romp 27th-Apr-2012 05:16 am (UTC)
Nice.

in related news, CTV is having an online poll: should the abortion "debate" be reopened?
lamardeuse 27th-Apr-2012 11:01 am (UTC)
God, only 69% "no"? Argh.
effervescent 27th-Apr-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
Voted. I'm glad to see it's at 69%, I was actually worried that it would be lower because we're so influenced by the US.
jwaneeta 27th-Apr-2012 05:25 am (UTC)
CHEEZITZ, Canada. With.
lamardeuse 27th-Apr-2012 11:02 am (UTC)
Fuck, I hate Harper so much. I can't believe he won a majority after all the shit he pulled while they were still a minority government.
confectionqueen 27th-Apr-2012 12:00 pm (UTC)
I can. I know a lot of people who voted for him(including my parents).
katanity 27th-Apr-2012 04:59 pm (UTC)
you should get new parents
confectionqueen 27th-Apr-2012 11:59 am (UTC)
Oh Stephen Harper. The end of your current term can't come soon enough.
kira_snugz 27th-Apr-2012 01:01 pm (UTC)
i think someone should start following him around and slapping him on the back of the head everytime he does something rediculously stupid. they may have to switch out every couple of days so they don't injure their hands, but it would eventually teach him to think before he speaks.


did anyone check out the harper history hashtag on twitter since yesterday? so fricking funny.

The CPC has never produced Stephen Harper's Second World War service record. Be suspicious. #harperhistory

The NDP refused to come to the aid of men when Mordor invaded Gondor." #HarperHistory

The #NDP holds the secret to the caramilk #harperhistory

The NDP caused your family to die of Dysentery on the Oregon Trail. #HarperHistory
sitakhet 27th-Apr-2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
The #NDP holds the secret to the caramilk #harperhistory

Howling with laughter rn
soleiltropiques 27th-Apr-2012 03:58 pm (UTC)
ROTFLMAO.
poetic_pixie_13 27th-Apr-2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
The NDP caused your family to die of Dysentery on the Oregon Trail. #HarperHistory

Dying
rn, omg.
uluviel 27th-Apr-2012 01:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you Stephen Harper for bringing Godwin's Law into the real world.
beoweasel 27th-Apr-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
You kidding? RL Godwin has existed long before this. :P
vanishingbee 27th-Apr-2012 03:38 pm (UTC)
needs canada tag imo
poetic_pixie_13 27th-Apr-2012 04:50 pm (UTC)
“I guess we can start talking about Reform Party policies,” Mulcair replied, to the delight of the opposition benches.

Trololololololololololololo, can we? Please?

I can't even with the abortion bullshit. Harper used to brag about having more anti-choice support than his opponents. His wet dream is a Canada where coat hangers are surgical tools and women lie bleeding to death in hospital beds.

Also, Prime Minster William Lyon Mackenzie King had this to say about J.S. Woodsworth, the leader of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation. He was a pacifist, and the only member of that caucus to vote against Canada's entry into World War II, which was supported by every one of his CCF colleagues.

"There are few men in this Parliament for whom I have greater respect than the leader of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation. I admire him in my heart, because time and again he has had the courage to say what lays on his conscience, regardless of what the world might think of him. A man of that calibre is an ornament to any Parliament."

Edited at 2012-04-27 05:03 pm (UTC)
seishin 28th-Apr-2012 03:22 am (UTC)
I doubt Harper would EVER say anything like that about a politician from an opposing party.
lee_rowan 27th-Apr-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
Getting to sound more and more like Dubya every day, isn't he?
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