ONTD Political

Woman is awesome, teaches T creeper a lesson!

11:59 am - 04/27/2012
A strap-hanging MBTA heroine said she went into “She-Hulk” mode to single-handedly collar a man who exposed himself on a crowded B-Line trolley — dragging him off the train and holding him until cops arrived.

The 24-year-old Allston woman, who did not want to be named, said the man boarded one stop after she did on her ride home from her marketing job Thursday. She immediately noticed him staring.

“This guy was just being a real creeper,” she said. As she shuffled along the train, he followed her. She zoned out, listening to music, only to look up and see him standing over her.

“I looked up and felt awkward, so I looked down,” she said. She said the man was exposing and touching himself, but tried to cover himself with his shirt.

The woman — not someone to meekly let an alleged creep get away with it — shouted out what he was doing, but no one stepped in to help. She said one male passenger even shrugged. So, she said, she went into “She-Hulk” mode, lunging as the man tried to bolt at Packard’s Corner in Brighton.

She said she held the man with one hand and “berated” him while she waited for the cops to arrive. She said he looked frightened.

“He kept saying sorry, but he was just sorry for himself,” she said.

The man told transit cops that the “packed and jostling” trolley caused his shorts to fall, according to a police report. He told police that he was unaware he was exposed until the woman started screaming.

T cops charged Michael Galvin, 37, of Somerville with open and gross lewdness. He was released on his own recognizance and ordered to stay off the T.

The woman said she acted because, “I’ve had enough of being harassed on the street. I’m tired of it and I want it to end. It was the last straw.”

She also had some choice words for the people who stood by and did nothing on the train: “That’s appalling. That makes me so angry. I want everyone to know that they have to say something.”


Source.

Short but sweet. What would you have done in her position, ontd_p? (Especially when none of the passengers said anything, wtf.) What do you think are the best ways to deal with people like this guy?
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chaya 27th-Apr-2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
What do you think are the best ways to deal with people like this guy?

chernobylred 27th-Apr-2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
Okay, yeah, that's a good way to deal with it, too.
dearmisterecho 27th-Apr-2012 06:14 pm (UTC)


good on her!
chernobylred 27th-Apr-2012 06:15 pm (UTC)
GOOD FOR HER. I would have done something similar. I think it was a great way to deal with this guy, and I hope he doesn't get a pathetic little fine/slap on the wrists OR find a way to sue the woman for assault or something (which wouldn't surprise me, alas).

And FUCK THOSE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE TRAIN. I get so frustrated with people who don't stand up for other people. It's rare enough that someone calls someone out on poor behavior in public. But then when nobody stands up in solidarity? RAGE.

eta: I love this line! “He kept saying sorry, but he was just sorry for himself,” she said.

FOR. REAL.

Edited at 2012-04-27 06:17 pm (UTC)
bushy_brow 27th-Apr-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
HDU! He was being CREEP SHAMED! Don't you know how ~*~hard~*~ that is for the poor widdle menz? [/sarcasm]

*edit for typo

Edited at 2012-04-27 07:21 pm (UTC)
evewithanapple 27th-Apr-2012 06:15 pm (UTC)
The man told transit cops that the “packed and jostling” trolley caused his shorts to fall, according to a police report. He told police that he was unaware he was exposed until the woman started screaming.

. . . uh-huh.
darsynia 27th-Apr-2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
'lol NO' was my immediate thought. I've lost so much weight after giving birth that all my pants are too big, to the point where they definitely feel like they're going to fall down, often. Even with 5 inches of space when I hold them out away from my stomach, they wouldn't fall down because of 'jostling' of a vehicle.
kaelstra 27th-Apr-2012 06:15 pm (UTC)
I would've fucking started yelling at him and making a huge deal about it.

I've had to do something really, really similar when a guy was sexually harassing me at work (a customer). Eventually I had to throw him out, because it got so bad, and he refused to go, so I stood there yelling at him with the work phone in my other hand threatening to call the police if he didn't get out.

He tried to appeal to another employee, but he told him if I was kicking him out, he basically needed to gtfo.

I think, especially in a highly public situation like that, I'd definitely confront the guy and try to hulk out/shame him, etc.
anolinde 27th-Apr-2012 06:33 pm (UTC)
That's awesome that the other employees (and, presumably, your boss) supported you! What do you do for work, if you don't mind my asking?
girlknees 27th-Apr-2012 06:17 pm (UTC)
oh man, i wish i had her guts! /applause
i had a guy sitting next to me at starbucks watching porn and masturbating (granted with a jacket over his lap) - but i didn't speak enough japanese at the time to tell him off or alert the staff >
ttentten 27th-Apr-2012 06:17 pm (UTC)
almost more disappointed with the people who ignored her screaming.
kaelstra 27th-Apr-2012 06:31 pm (UTC)
I know right? D: SOMEONE WAS YELLING FOR HELP AND YOU SHITPAILS IGNORED HER.
phoenixblaze 27th-Apr-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, having lived in Mass my entire life, I'm not surprised. Shit like this happens on the T all the time. Good for her standing up, and pretty brave for some parts of the area.
iamduvet 27th-Apr-2012 06:59 pm (UTC)
Same here. I've seen a lot of weird crap on the T to be not as surprised either.
Nice to hear that somebody did something.
madman101 27th-Apr-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/woman-squeezed-mans-testicles-kills-parking-china_n_1457487.html


ps - I have a good LJ friend who witnesses a guy pretending to masturbate at her, all through the bus ride. She was upset. Did nothing. I told her that that was sexual assault. She said, "I felt violated." Oh well! hhhhhhh

Edited at 2012-04-27 06:24 pm (UTC)
spiffynamehere 27th-Apr-2012 07:59 pm (UTC)
mumbles 27th-Apr-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
Was all hell yeah Brighton until I found out it was in USA.

I'm not sure what I would have done tbh D:
its_anya 27th-Apr-2012 06:43 pm (UTC)
I was thinking "where the fuck is Packard's Corner? there's nowhere called that here" lol
captain_emily 27th-Apr-2012 06:33 pm (UTC)
I would have pitched an unholy fit and probably tried to take the guy out. I'm more than likely much smaller than he is, but I have no qualms about picking up a chair (or anything else handy) to make up the difference.

Then I would have berated and shamed every last asshole on the train who stood idly by.

Edited at 2012-04-27 06:33 pm (UTC)
crossfire 27th-Apr-2012 06:56 pm (UTC)
It's easy to say this in the comfort of hindsight but I'm pretty sure I would have yelled at the guy and chased him off the train. I wouldn't have just shrugged, that's for damn sure.

I rely exclusively on public transportation, so this isn't hypothetical for me. I did once get into a, ah, verbal exchange with another passenger who got his shorts in a twist because a person in a wheelchair was getting on the bus, which takes, like, 30 seconds longer than anyone else. So this dude was making all kinds of meant-to-be-overheard comments until I growled at him. Then he called me a faggot, which was fun. /csb
skellington1 27th-Apr-2012 07:30 pm (UTC)
It's hard to figure out, isn't it?

I've stood up to the bus driver for bullying a non-english speaker before, when no one else made a move (they all looked uncomfortable and clearly knew it was wrong, but no one DID anything) and in the wheelchair situation you describe the dude would have gotten an earful. But with the situation in the article, I'm not sure what I'd have done -- it would have made me so damn uncomfortable that a big impulse would have been to just ignore it/pretend it didn't happen. I'm definitely not proud of that, but I'm trying to honestly imagine it and I don't think I'd have dealt with it well.

Then again, I'm much much better about leaping to the defense of others, so if I was a passenger and the woman shouted on the train I'd totally have her back.
teacoat 27th-Apr-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
omg this is such awful creep-shaming. he's clearly just a NICE GUY who' being unfairly persecuted :((((((

Seriously though, good for her and everyone else on that train can go fuck themselves.
erunamiryene 27th-Apr-2012 07:34 pm (UTC)
OH MY GOD CREEP-SHAMING JESUS DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS FOR MEN TO LIVE WITH THE STIGMA OF BEING CALLED A CREEP I THOUGHT YOU CARED ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE AND HATRED OH MY GOD.

:D

Personally, i would have punched him in the dick a few times for good measure, because "I felt threatened, officer". Would have kicked the fuckhead who SHRUGGED on my way by.
mskye 27th-Apr-2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
If I'm ever in a similar situation, I will remember this woman and her courage.
makemerun 27th-Apr-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
not someone to meekly let an alleged creep get away with it

FUCK YOU, WRITER.

How dare these women be intimidated and humiliated by men trying to intimidate and humiliate them! They let them get away!~

The woman in this story is totally hardcore, don't get me wrong, but women who can't apprehend scum shouldn't be shamed. That is just fucked up.
crossfire 27th-Apr-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
I think you make a really good point.
cjcregg 27th-Apr-2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
I had a guy expose himself to me in a movie theater...in Finding Nemo no less! Thank heavens there were no kids sitting nearby. He sat himself in the aisle and started playing with himself. I took out my phone, leaned forward and said, "Put it away or I'm calling the cops you little perv." He tucked himself away and sat back in a seat.

Part of me wishes I had made a bigger deal and gotten him out of the theater, but there were kids IN the theater...just none of them were aware of what had happened. I think it was better that way in the end.
jesskat 27th-Apr-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
This woman kicks ass, obviously, but I probably would have been one of those who said nothing. If I were confronted with a creep who's crazy enough to sexually harass other passengers in public, I wouldn't dare to provoke him further, even with other people around me. In a perfect world we would all be as brave as this lady, but I think it's wrong to shame people for being afraid to stand up in a similar situation.
zizzo_no_ai 27th-Apr-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
Same here.
85redberries TW: assault27th-Apr-2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
Good for her. I'd yell "PERVERT" and maybe kick him in his balls if he did that to me. I'm so sick of creepy men invading women's spaces!!

I remember trying to help a pregnant woman getting smacked around by her SO at the mall. Then I turned around and yelled at all the dudes who ran over and watched as if it were a free show. No cellphones dialed 911, no one said stop, no one physically intervened except 5'1 me. Not much risk in going around the corner to call 911 secretly.

Edited at 2012-04-27 09:11 pm (UTC)
lee_rowan 27th-Apr-2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
What would I do?

What a cop once taught at a rape-prevention class I attended:

GRAB, PULL, AND TWIST.
unrulybadger 27th-Apr-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
Ugh, the B line is full of college jerk-offs, so I can't say I'm utterly surprised by the non-reaction.

This woman is amazing though. I wish I could be as brave as her and I'm getting better the older I get, but at 24, I would have been frightened and cowed out of my wits.
othellia 27th-Apr-2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
Same here. Maybe I would have yelled or lashed out, but I don't think I would've have the strength to actively detain him until the cops came.
eyetosky 27th-Apr-2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
"He told police that he was unaware he was exposed until the woman started screaming."

..... Excuse me, I'm not a guy, but anecdotally the ones I know are generally VERY aware when their naked nethers meet fresh air and the light of day. How numb do your nuts have to be?
johnjie 27th-Apr-2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
Good on this woman for being proactive, but smh at the author of this article for having a subtle go at women who don't do anything. Because being sexually harassed/assaulted in public is never intimidating or threatening.
spyral_path 27th-Apr-2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
I find it amazing that a woman was able to restrain a grown man with one hand. Did he decide it wasn't worth it to run away, or are we talking about an amazingly fit woman with a martial arts or wrestling background and a small or physically weak man? I never would be able to restrain a man. My response to being harrassed by perverts has always been to leave the situation as quickly as possible because I know I'm not strong enough to fight.
tabaqui 28th-Apr-2012 12:04 am (UTC)
There's a vid at the source - she looks pretty small and not like she could physically overpower a guy. Maybe she just had a hand twisted in his shirt and was yelling so loud he was all freaked and didn't fight as hard as he could.

Or maybe he realized clocking her would get him in *worse* trouble.
tabaqui 28th-Apr-2012 12:00 am (UTC)
Fucking asshole. I know i'd have told the guy 'fuck off and put your fucking dick away'. And definitely done whatever i could have to support her.

I *loathe* that kind of 'no one will tell on me' shite that men like this count on, because way too many women have been brow-beaten, intimidated or abused into silence. And all the men standing around not caring just reinforce the notion that 'telling' will either get you nothing, or might get you hurt.
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