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Vegan pet food triggers meaty debate

9:42 am - 05/02/2012
Vets have advised against non-meat and non-dairy diets for domestic pets despite the increasing popularity of a vegan product designed to cover cats' and dogs' dietary needs.

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Hmmm, well I know one thing about my cat, there is nothing that gets him more excited than fresh chicken or tuna he gets once a week. He'll eat the dry processed food happily - but he'll only go into kittty paroxyms of joy over meat. But I do wonder if the vegan option has a less offensive kitty litter odour, I might try it for a while to see (but he'll still get his chicken)

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amyura 2nd-May-2012 01:14 am (UTC)
Everyone else has already said it. Cats and dogs do best on meat. Nobody is obligated to keep one as a pet. But if you do, you owe it to your pet to feed it properly.
maclyn 2nd-May-2012 01:15 am (UTC)
I knew one girl who tried to feed her dog a vegan diet. It nearly died, then she complained that her vet had threatened to report her to the SSPCA. These people are idiots.
layweed 2nd-May-2012 01:23 am (UTC)
o_O
madman101 2nd-May-2012 01:19 am (UTC)
a lot of cats really love chlorella, and i'm sure that would help w/ odour
iheartomntd 2nd-May-2012 01:21 am (UTC)
I'm a vegetarian borderline vegan and I own two cats and I would never subject my babies to something as completely unnecessary as a vegan based diet. There's nothing more pointless and cruel than forcing animals to eat something that BIOLOGICALLY they aren't designed to eat just because of you own moral or ethically beliefs. Be a vegan all you want to but don't force your animals into something they aren't meant to be.
x_neverenough 2nd-May-2012 03:27 am (UTC)
Couldn't have said it better myself
nesmith 2nd-May-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
This is one debate I have to steer clear of. Gives me the spitting-rages every time.

My cat is on a low protein diet only because she's seventeen and has kidney disease.
mimblexwimble 2nd-May-2012 01:23 am (UTC)
Hmmm, well I know one thing about my cat, there is nothing that gets him more excited than fresh chicken or tuna he gets once a week. He'll eat the dry processed food happily - but he'll only go into kittty paroxyms of joy over meat. But I do wonder if the vegan option has a less offensive kitty litter odour, I might try it for a while to see (but he'll still get his chicken).

My cats' litter actually smells less when they eat fresh meat, as opposed to when they eat processed food. I don't know about the vegan option and I'm not about to try it. I may have ethical concerns about what I eat and how human beings treat animals, but forcing my cat to go vegan because of those concerns is ridiculous.

Edited at 2012-05-02 01:23 am (UTC)
layweed 2nd-May-2012 01:24 am (UTC)
I dunno, I've never really been worried about the smell of my cat's waste. I've got a HEPA filter running 24/7 which takes out a lot of it, plus good kitty litter that is able to somehow contain the smell. Does the smell of it really matter? j/w.
windsong_moon 2nd-May-2012 01:44 am (UTC)
I remember that. It was so sad.
spyral_path 2nd-May-2012 01:39 am (UTC)
I'm vegan for ethical reasons but I also have two cats. I didn't choose them, they sort of came jnto my life the way cats do, so choosing a vegan pet was not an option. Not taking them in was also not an option, because it was either take them in or take them to ankmal control where they would have been euthanized.

I've done a little research into vegan/vegetarian diets for cats, but the idea of them possibly getting a taurine deficiency and going blind was too much for me to risk. I don't even think that as an ethical vegan I can support research to develop a vegan cat food, since being an ethical vegan means being against animal testing, and vegan cat food would have to be tested on cats. I don't want lab kitties going blind because I was too squeamish to feed my cat chicken.

Veganism is not supposed to be about being an extremist. It's supposed to be about being as vegan as is practically possible. Feeding my two rescue cats food that is healthy for them while continuing to not use animal products for myself fits that definition, so I don't feel conflicted at all when I feed my cats.
texasoddity 2nd-May-2012 02:29 am (UTC)
Well said.
astridmyrna 2nd-May-2012 01:45 am (UTC)
"If you're a vegan, and you have ethical concerns about feeding animal-derived protein to your pet, well I could probably recommend a rabbit or a guinea pig as a pet, that you can source their nutrients from," he said.

"Rather than make ethical choices for an animal."


My rat-eating cat approves.
astridmyrna 2nd-May-2012 01:45 am (UTC)
Page 2 starts off with an extremely carnivorous cat aptly named Tiger, who is also nick-named Jungle Kitty.
teacup_werewolf 2nd-May-2012 01:50 am (UTC)
Ngnghhh, if you can't tolerate the fact that YES cats eat meat and dogs too....like everyone else says get a herbivore pet.

While I didn't have a cat or a dog, I had rats, and once in a while I will give my mischief turkey or chicken bones. Oh the look of glee on their faces and nothing more haunting the chittering of ratties as the gnaw bone.
oceandezignz 2nd-May-2012 01:56 am (UTC)
My icon = your cat on a vegan diet. Sense that does not make. Its like the vegan parents who fed their infant soy milk and apple juice. Obviously, we all know what happened to that baby(TW: Child abuse?).

Its abuse both ways! Its NOT what the child needs, and since so many like to refer to their pets as their 'fur babies', you'd think they'd be doing the best for them. And the best being WHAT IS FUCKING RIGHT.

Personally if I was not deathly allergic to cats (which I love I am a total cat person how fucked up is this?!), I would take all of their cats away! :|
bleed_peroxide 2nd-May-2012 02:45 am (UTC)
Why the fuck would you do that? Babies need either their mother's milk or a formula - unless I imagined it, a lot of non-dairy milks have an advisory right on the carton saying not to use it as nourishment for infants. I know I've seen it on at least one brand of it.
__planitbremix 2nd-May-2012 01:57 am (UTC)
My cat who passed away recently was truely a cat that needed and wanted his meat and fish! I could always rely on him to come running into the kitchen when he heard that cold cuts bag come out the fridge. But he did have this awkward habit of eating the peas from my instant ramen.


Edited at 2012-05-02 01:58 am (UTC)
layweed 2nd-May-2012 02:03 am (UTC)
I swear, mine is half cow. If I sprout wheat grass, he whines to no end. He'll even stand up on a chair and point and whine at it when I'm near (I have to keep it on top of the fridge to prevent him from getting at it). He also sneaks bites of bok choy when I'm washing it and leaving it to soak. Sneaky bastard.

Edited at 2012-05-02 02:04 am (UTC)
skellington1 2nd-May-2012 02:02 am (UTC)
If the cat's litter box smell is *that* bad, try giving them kitty probiotics. Tiny bit, lasts forever, and it works -- it's basically like feeding 'em a little yogurt without the milk risk.
castalianspring 2nd-May-2012 02:07 am (UTC)
"I can tell you from my experience with cats and dogs they don't have any ethics about where their food source is derived from.

"If a vegan pet owner is making that decision on behalf of a pet that they own, they should perhaps consider the reasons they have that pet."


Yeah, what the vet said. Some people should never be allowed to have pets. So much ignorance of (and resistance against) biology, it's really damn sad.
skellington1 2nd-May-2012 02:18 am (UTC)
Some people should never be allowed to have pets.

I don't know... they could have a chia pet. :P
dixiedolphin 2nd-May-2012 02:17 am (UTC)
You know what I hear every time some self-righteous asswipe tells me they feed their dog or cat "vegan" food?

"We love animals so much that we're willing to let our carnivorous / omnivorous pets suffer from malnutrition to prove a point and show that we're morally superior to you animal abusers who dare feed meat to meat eaters!"

Seriously, this makes me rage so much. Back in Florida amongst the filthy hippies I knew, this vegan-pet sentiment ran rampant. After fruitlessly trying to talk some sense into these morons for a long time, I finally had to throw my hands up and walk away.
bleed_peroxide 2nd-May-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
I hate saying this, but a lot of vegans tend to forget that cats are not human beings. In the animal kingdom, there are animals that are made to thrive on meat, and cats are one of those animals.

Yeah, so I'm a horrible vegan because I give my cat the best quality meat that he can have. At least he's healthy. :V
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