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Viagra: "The Drug for Life"

12:52 am - 05/02/2012
Minnesota Senator Who Sponsored Vetoed Anti-Abortion Pill Bill Calls Viagra A ‘Drug For Life’

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton (D) has vetoed an anti-abortion bill that would have required a doctor to be present for a woman to take the abortion-inducing drug RU-486, effectively banning “tele-med” abortions and disproportionately affecting women in rural communities. Dayton wrote in his veto letter that patient safety should always be a concern, but “a veto is warranted on legislation because it is driven by a specific political ideology rather than a broad-based concern for protecting all patients.”

Indeed, during debate about the legislation, a Democratic state senator asked why RU-486 should be regulated instead of erectile dysfunction medication. Sen. Paul Gazelka (R), the bill’s sponsor, said Viagra is a “wonderful drug” that “helps create life.” RH Reality Check’s Robin Marty asked Gazelka to clarify his comments about Viagra, and he said in response:

"comparing Viagra to RU-486 was comparing apples and oranges or more like comparing life and death. Viagra is a wonderful medical advancement in that can help couples with sexual disfunction issues…it can even help in producing life. RU486 always destroys life by taking the life of the unborn child."

Gazelka did not respond to Marty’s questions about whether he would sponsor a bill to collect information about men who are prescribed Viagra, similar to “databases created in various other states to gather information on women who obtain abortions.”

Gazelka’s bill and his ensuing comments about Viagra highlight the unfair burden placed on women who seek abortions and related health care. State regulations continue to add additional hurdles women must overcome to access abortions and contraception, while no similar measures block the availably of Viagra for men.

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/01/474419/minnesota-state-senator-abortion-viagra/
cpsings4him 2nd-May-2012 12:08 pm (UTC)
Although I think you're actually just trolling, I will answer the question. The point is, he can never personally become pregnant. Therefore, he lacks the proper prospective from which to appreciate the complete implications of becoming so. All I'm saying is that if it were his body in question, he would likely feel differently.
cpsings4him 2nd-May-2012 12:17 pm (UTC)
Yep, you've converted me. Now move along.
cpsings4him 2nd-May-2012 12:19 pm (UTC)
You're being deliberately obtuse and you know it. I'm done.
yeats 2nd-May-2012 01:46 pm (UTC)
But if you accept that then it is also true that if it were not your body YOUR perspective might be different. The implication, of course, is that it might be easier for some people to tell others what to do with what is their than to allow someone to tell you what to do with what is yours.

no, but thanks for trying -- the implication is that people who aren't in female bodies/bodies that can be pregnant should fucking listen to those people who are.
fornikate 2nd-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
no1curr
fornikate 3rd-May-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
it's amazing that you think this community has never heard your bullshit reasoning before

it's also amazing that you think responses indicate care
darsynia 2nd-May-2012 04:03 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you really want to make this argument. If I were a well-off white male, yeah, I probably would have a different perspective, because I would be privileged enough to not have to deal with the issues women have to deal with, nor would I have to worry about balancing my sexual desires with the desire not to get pregnant.

Arguing that of course our perspectives would change if our circumstances did doesn't really diminish the point that other posters are making, IMO. They're saying that the lawmaker's privilege and lack of perspective leads him to an opinion that doesn't place enough value on body autonomy. If I were in his shoes, the same privilege and lack of perspective could, quite possibly, lead me to the same opinions. It doesn't take away the fact that the opinions he holds about this issue devalues women's body autonomy.
telemann 3rd-May-2012 05:33 am (UTC)
Privilege, Power, and Difference by Allan G. Johnson. Ph.D. University of Minnesota. White Privilege: Essential Readings on the Other Side of Racism by Paula S. Rothenberg (Senior Fellow at The Murphy Institute, City University of
New York and Professor Emerita at William Patterson University of New Jersey.) Race, Class, and Gender in the United States: An Integrated Study. Same author.

Not hard to find this on Amazon. So simple, a caveman could do it.
telemann 3rd-May-2012 05:47 am (UTC)
I don't know, those are pretty good primers on the subject written by academics who are experts on the subject matter you asked about. There are a lot more if you dig around and look.
effervescent 2nd-May-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
Why don't you stop derailing, now. Sorry, but people who try to oppress others have more of an obligation to try and understand the point of view of others more than the oppressed do.
amyura 3rd-May-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
Not to mention, people who are oppressed usually already DO have a pretty good idea of their oppressors' POV, simply because they have to deal with some of the effects on a daily basis.
effervescent 3rd-May-2012 07:21 am (UTC)
Uh...no. That's not part of privilege at all, even if it's often the case. I have white privilege, but knowing that I have white privilege doesn't negate it.
bethan_b_bad 3rd-May-2012 12:04 am (UTC)
Lololol. Troll along now, buddy: the adults are talking.
celtic_thistle 3rd-May-2012 03:32 am (UTC)
the_axel 2nd-May-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
It's even simpler than that.
Take Rick Santorum as a case study in hard-line anti-choice politicians.
As soon as his wife will die if she doesn't have an abortion, he's all in favour of them.
hinoema 3rd-May-2012 05:00 am (UTC)
Get out with your logic. XD

You won't get a reply, either, I'm betting.
the_axel 3rd-May-2012 11:11 am (UTC)
I know it's not a strong weapon to use in a debate - nearly as useless as 'facts' :-)

I wouldn't take that bet from you...
mylaptopisevil 3rd-May-2012 04:49 am (UTC)
conservatalk getting mightly lonely now that all the people you treated in a manner similar to this thread decided to just ignore you, huh.
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