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Catholic groups sue over federal contraception mandate

4:56 pm - 05/21/2012
(CNN) - The University of Notre Dame and "a diverse group of plaintiffs" filed lawsuits Monday challenging the federal mandate that religious employers offer health insurance that includes coverage of contraceptives and birth control services, Notre Dame spokeswoman Shannon Chapla said.



The Notre Dame suit, filed in the U.S. District Court in Northern Indiana, is one of a dozen filed Monday by 43 separate Catholic institutions in different federal courts around the United States, Chapla said.

The lawsuits are efforts to "vindicate the country's constitutional and traditional commitments to religious freedom and pluralism," Notre Dame law professor Richard W. Garnett said in a university statement.

The Catholic Church teaches that use of contraception is morally wrong.

A White House spokesman declined to comment on the lawsuits Monday.

The Obama administration, in an attempt at a compromise, revised the rule to require health insurance companies - not employers - to provide contraception coverage, mollifying some Catholic critics. Other Catholic groups, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, are not satisfied by the revised rule.

The suits contend that the regulations violate of the First Amendment guarantee of religious liberty, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and other federal laws.

"This filing is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives," Notre Dame President Rev. John I. Jenkins said in a message to his school. "For if we concede that the government can decide which religious organizations are sufficiently religious to be awarded the freedom to follow the principles that define their mission, then we have begun to walk down a path that ultimately leads to the undermining of those institutions."

The Archdiocese of Washington joined in a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on Monday. The plaintiffs also include Archbishop Carroll High School; Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Washington; the Consortium of Catholic Academies of the Archdiocese of Washington; and The Catholic University of America.

"There is no way out of the dilemma the mandate forces upon us," Washington Archdiocese Chancellor Jane Belford said. "Catholic schools, universities, hospitals and social service ministries employ and serve millions of people in this country and do so without regard to their religious beliefs. Under the government's new rules, religious organizations will face an impossible choice."



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tabaqui 21st-May-2012 10:54 pm (UTC)
Screw them very much.

Either take zero federal dollars and restrict your staff and student body to only like-minded Catholics or shut the hell up.
grey853 21st-May-2012 11:30 pm (UTC)
take zero federal dollars

THIS!!! You can't have it both ways.
nepthys_12 22nd-May-2012 01:34 am (UTC)
Thank you. No, federal money for you assholes.
moonshaz 22nd-May-2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
Srsly.

It amazes me (and not in a good way) that Catholic universities are so happy to accept non-Catholic students and their FEDERALLY FUNDED financial aid dollars, and Catholic hospitals are delighted to take non-Catholic patients and their FEDERALLY FUNDED medicare and medicaid dollars, but yet they insist that they shouldn't have to follow federal mandates regarding the treatment of their employees.

They personify the idea of wanting to have one's cake and eat it, too.
tabaqui 23rd-May-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
Just - yes. And they are either willfully blind to it or simply incredibly ignorant. Makes me wanna smack somebody.
angelofdeath275 21st-May-2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
i fucking love your icon OP
leviicorpus 21st-May-2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
bawwwww
amyura 22nd-May-2012 12:00 am (UTC)
Other Catholic groups, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, are not satisfied by the revised rule.

Meaning, it's not enough that they don't have to PAY for anyone's contraceptive coverage, but that the idea that anyone is getting contraceptives covered is something that they think they should be able to stop.

My list of reasons I'm happy I left the Catholic church grows longer every day.
shineebambi 22nd-May-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
I hear you every time i even start to feel myself drifting back they do something like this and spew hateful bs and I remember why I left
amyura 22nd-May-2012 01:30 am (UTC)
My husband was raised liberal Protestant, and we've decided to raise our kids in the UCC. It still amazes me that they ENJOY going to church and think it's fun, and that I'm hearing pro-choice, pro-LBGT, and just general pro-SJ stuff preached from the pulpit every Sunday.
shineebambi 22nd-May-2012 01:39 am (UTC)
Right before i left I found the most wonderful church in Boston that was so open and liberal and was accepting of every walks of life but I couldnt stay in the church after Benedict XVI took control and started taking the church backwards even though that church was lovely the whole institution was to steeped in anti lgbtq, woman, and poc that i needed to walk away. But yes I love hearing there are open minded churches across the country it gives me hope that the church can start heading in a foward direction rather then stuck in archaic gross belief system
jamethiel_bane 22nd-May-2012 12:20 am (UTC)
Don't inflict your religion on other people who don't subscribe to it. Especially on their bodies.

Also, FUCK THEM, "birth control" (laughable because I'm celibate) is a medical necessity for me. And... just, the whole thing is based around "OH HEY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE WOMEN SUFFER." Fuckers.
shineebambi 22nd-May-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
OH PLEASE fuck off arent churches and other religious organizations that only serve those who practice that faith absolved from this already? To fucking bad Notre Dame you serve and hire non Catholics who believe in contraception and deserve access to it.
enigmatic_force 22nd-May-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
They should make their associations private, then. Then they have the freedom to do such a thing. They are using government funded money and therefore have to submit to the laws of our country. However, I really don't think a company should be forced to cover birth control in general. I think that's silly. We have associations such as Planned Parenthood and such. Why is it made mandatory?

Besides, if we were to look further into this; these are Catholic associated establishments. Why are they not private to begin with? Why are religious establishments actually using government money? Shouldn't they make it private so that they don't have to fall under the Separation of Church and State laws? I would think that privatizing it would be beneficial to them. Then the employee would knowingly agree to such terms such as not having birth control covered by insurance.

The whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.
shineebambi 22nd-May-2012 12:50 am (UTC)
Birth control should be covered my insurance because its can be a basic medical need to fix a multitude of problems but can be rather expensive without help. Plus IMO if something that has no medical value like Viagra and similar drugs are covered under insurance other then to give middle aged men erections then so should by birth control that allows me not to face crippling pains for one week every month
enigmatic_force 22nd-May-2012 12:56 am (UTC)
My point is that they privatized it then they don't have to concede to the federal laws. If they wanted to deny BC then they could. The person who chose to be employed by them would know that. Thus if you don't want to be denied BC you wouldn't choose to work for a private Catholic company that wouldn't give you BC.

I don't see why they don't do that instead of making a stink over a law that is made by our government that they are funded by. If they are funded by the government then they have to go by the universal views of our country.
shineebambi 22nd-May-2012 01:02 am (UTC)
reading fail and yes and IA if they are completely privatized with no federal dollars then they can do as they please

Edited at 2012-05-22 01:04 am (UTC)
enigmatic_force 22nd-May-2012 01:13 am (UTC)
Yeah. I further read that ND IS fully privatized but our government is MAKING them choose a public insurance. That is bullshit.
shineebambi 22nd-May-2012 01:16 am (UTC)
no they get federal funding for work study and get access to federal student loans so while they are private they like every other college are getting public funds in that way and should be subject to the public laws that cover them, so if they hate covering bc so much they need to give up access to those federal funds which they wont because too few students can afford to pay full tuition cost or take out that many private loans or they need to accept the public health care option
amyura 22nd-May-2012 01:33 am (UTC)
They're not fully privatized at all. They're a Title IV school (as just about every accredited school is, nothing surprising there), so students can get federally subsidized student loans. They're nonprofit, so they're not paying any taxes, probably at both the state and federal levels and maybe even the municipal level. Professors get publicly funded grants.

Very little in our society or economy is FULLY privatized.
molkat 22nd-May-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
No one is being forced into public insurance. Let's say Notre Dame contracts with Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS)to provide health insurance. Before the new law Notre Dame designed and selected a health plan from BCBS that specifically excluded birth control. The only thing that has changed is that BCBS can no longer offer plans that exclude contraception. On top of that Notre Dame and other religious organizations don't have to pay a single extra dime for this new coverage, the health insurance company will cover it.
sesmo 22nd-May-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
They are private institutions. But they take a lot of public funds (Medicare/Medicaid at the hospitals, federal and state funded scholarships and grants at the universities, etc.)

And even if they are private, do they do not get to discriminate unless they have the religious exemption. (That is, a Catholic hospital cannot refuse to hire an African-American, or Jewish, or female surgeon. Contrast this with a church, which can hire whoever it wants, including only blue eyed blondes from Sweden.) The question is whether they can discriminate in what healthcare they provide, to men v. women. The government has said that birth control is part of the basic healthcare coverage that must be provided by any insurance plan. That's what they are objecting to.
celtic_thistle 22nd-May-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
Priorities, assholes. Priorities.
mdemvizi 22nd-May-2012 03:00 am (UTC)
Bunch of idiots.

I sort of have made the decision to not be involved with the Catholic Church anymore. I still believe that there is something up there and like the Bible in certain parts but the ridiculous like this is making me so angry. I haven't gone to mass in like 2.5 years so I think this hit the point.
lonely_hour 22nd-May-2012 03:02 am (UTC)
??? i think people should tattoo "we have a secular government" on their foreheads or something, because these people are not getting it.
corinn 22nd-May-2012 03:10 am (UTC)
Catholic schools, universities, hospitals and social service ministries employ and serve millions of people in this country and do so without regard to their religious beliefs.
Yeah, guys. You do. So respect that they don't subscribe to your religious tenets and don't force them to do so.



Okay, so, a related question. Someone I lock heads with argues that even if the religious institution itself is not obligated to pay extra for BC, the insurance company uses money from everyone who pays a premium or copay for anything to pay for said BC. Therefor, she says, she is being made to pay for someone's BC when she doesn't want to. So she says people should be able to choose a plan that excludes BC. I don't know enough about insurance to call bullshit. It seems to me that even if a big company had a plan excluding BC, the money paid to that plan would go to the company in total rather than staying in just that plan. I could be wrong. But something just seems off with the argument and I can't articulate it. Thoughts?
thelilyqueen 22nd-May-2012 02:00 pm (UTC)
I hope someone can answer you on the insurance issue, but I think it's ultimately something of a red herring.

Ask her this... should she be denied a critical blood transfusion if Jehovah's Witnesses decided to make a stink about insurance covering something their religion considers wrong/sinful, and it was no longer covered? Or, what if Christian Scientists successfully got it codified that no one *really* needs to see a doctor?

If your (general you) personal moral beliefs dictate that you not use BC, not get transfusions, etc. fine. You're making your choices for yourself. You do not have nearly the same freedom to demand that everyone else adhere to your personal beliefs. I think people ought to be on BC unless they are actively looking to have kids, but I'd never support automatically installing a Mirena in every girl upon puberty.
carmy_w 22nd-May-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
I can't really answer your question re: insurance either, but I think the reason why it seems off is that this is the same argument they use to de-fund Planned Parenthood-because the money they get from the Fed might cover a miniscule part of the overhead for the abortion services provided.

We all pay for stuff we don't want to pay for. I know I won't ever need Viagra (being a female). So why should I have to pay for that coverage? This is the equivalent to her argument, and not quite as nonsensical-because one of these days she may NEED to take BC, either for actual birth control, or for one of the many other reasons to use it.

Another good argument to use on her is to tell her to drop her insurance and find a company that doesn't cover ANY form of BC. I guarantee you they are out there, even if they are operating under the radar.
maladaptive 22nd-May-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
But everyone in the Blue Cross (or whichever company) pool pays, not just those who go to the school. So people paying premiums are already paying for other people's BC as part of the insurance pool. Your friend is paying for the BC provided to, say, me. Because I am not part of a Catholic organization, so I get my Yasmin with no problems. Barring Catholic organization's employees from using it won't remove your friend from the pool that pays for BC.

Also that argument is dumb. The point of insurance is so that we can't opt out of paying for other people's stuff just because we don't want to. "I don't want to pay for pricy cancer treatments" "I don't want to pay for smoker's bills" etc.
moonshaz 22nd-May-2012 05:20 pm (UTC)
This. All of it.
mollywobbles867 22nd-May-2012 05:47 am (UTC)
kishmet 22nd-May-2012 06:48 am (UTC)
Dear Catholic Church

wrestlingdog 22nd-May-2012 05:07 pm (UTC)
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moonshaz 22nd-May-2012 05:22 pm (UTC)
And this is an A+++ gif.

I admit I may be biased, since I basically worship Rachel Maddow. But it's brilliant, afaic!
bluelarkspur 22nd-May-2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
The Obama administration, in an attempt at a compromise, revised the rule to require health insurance companies - not employers - to provide contraception coverage, mollifying some Catholic critics. Other Catholic groups, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, are not satisfied by the revised rule.

Just admit that you want to stop anyone from doing what you disapprove of. Because ~religious liberty~? What about your employees' liberty? It's not coming straight out of your pocket, so it's no concern. And frankly, what difference does it make? Let's say you pay an employee and they spend that money on condoms - what can you do about it?
apostle_of_eris 24th-May-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
Aren't there anti-SLAPP laws?
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