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Nurse refuses student inhaler during asthma attack

9:57 am - 05/26/2012
Deltona, Floriduh - Volusia County School officials stand by a Deltona High School nurse's decision to refuse a student his inhaler during an asthma attack, citing a lack of a parent's signature on a medical release form.

"It's like something out of a horror film. The person just sits there and watches you die," said Michael Rudi, 17. "She sat there, looked at me and she did nothing."

He said the school dean found his inhaler during a search of his locker last Friday. The inhaler was still in its original packaging -- complete with his name and directions for its use; however, the school took it away because his mother hadn't signed the proper form for him to have it.

School leaders called Sue Rudi when her son started having trouble breathing. She rushed to the office and was taken back to the nurse's office by school administrators and they discovered the teen on the floor.

"As soon as we opened up the door, we saw my son collapsing against the wall on the floor of the nurse's office while she was standing in the window of the locked door looking down at my son, who was in full-blown asthma attack," Rudi said.

Michael Rudi said when he started to pass out from his attack, the nurse locked the door.

"I believe that when I closed my eyes I wasn't going to wake up," he said.
The Director of Student Health Services, Cheryl Selesky, said that parents must sign the medical release form each year, which allows students to carry their prescribed drugs with them in school.

This year, the district had no record of his Rudi's signature, said Selesky.

"I mean its common sense if I saw an animal on the street in distress I would probably stop to help, why wouldn't she help a child," Sue Rudi said.
But Rudi is a senior, and his mother said the district has had records of his asthma throughout his years in the school.

She thinks her son could have died because of a technicality.

"How dare you deny my son something that we all take for granted, breath," said Sue Rudi. "Why didn't someone call 911?"

Selesky said the district is looking into whether proper procedures were followed by the school, and while nurses can't give medications without the proper authorization, it is district policy to call 911 when a student cannot breath.

Selesky could not explain why 911 was never called.

"I understand if you can't give it to him call 911," Sue Rudi said. "Why did you not call 911?"

Sue Rudi said she worries about the next student caught in a similar situation, and has filed charges against the nurse with the Volusia County Sheriff's Office.

"I want to press child endangerment charges for something they did to my son," Rudi said in the 911 call.

Local 6 reached out to the school district officials for more information, but they declined to interview.

WKMG Orlando
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marrasyn 26th-May-2012 08:05 pm (UTC)
Floriduh strikes again. *eye roll*
velvetunicorn 26th-May-2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
Oh God. As an asthmatic I completely empathize with this poor kid. I totally see why the school can't administer drugs without parental consent but why didn't they just call the mom and make sure it was ok for him to use his inhaler when they knew he needed it? I don't get it but we never had any consent forms like that when I was in high school. I think it was assumed if you're name was on prescription medication that you'd be ok to carry it on you. At the very least they should have called 911. That's ridiculous.
serendipity_15 26th-May-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
If those medical authorization forms are anything like the ones I see in clinic I volunteer at in Connecticut what they would need in addition would be a doctor's signature and authorization so not sure how much good just calling mom would do. The one time we got a call from a school nurse about a kid in the middle of an asthma attack he didn't have an inhaler at school only one at home and the mom was coming but she was still far away and the nurse was just about ready to call 911 because she could't wait any llonger for the mom to come with the inhaler.
schmutzigs 26th-May-2012 08:07 pm (UTC)
i honestly don't understand this. how can you NOT help and/or call 911 when someone stops breathing under your nose?
eversofar 26th-May-2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
jfc if you're not going to give the kid his inhaler, at least call 911 when he's having an asthma attack.
mollywobbles867 26th-May-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
Fucking beauracracy.
muse_misery 27th-May-2012 12:41 am (UTC)
THIS.

"Just doing my job, ma'am."

Yeah? Well fuck you, too.
ladylothwen 26th-May-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
You call 911 if you cannot administer drugs. It happened numerous times in my middle of nowhere Florida school.
crysania4 26th-May-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
Egads this is getting RIDICULOUS. We never had to have any sort of parental consent for inhalers (I always had one on me), ibuprofen or other such drugs. Bureaucracy is just so fucking out of control.
mirhanda 27th-May-2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
This. I always had aspirin or tylenol at school with me with nary a peep from admin. Sometimes a teacher might ask if someone had any if she ran out and got a headache. Things nowadays are ridiculous. They shouldn't even question a kid having his or her meds.
randomtasks 26th-May-2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
I'm not surprised tbh. I went to elementary school in Florida and the rules was that all medical stuff must be kept in the nurses office (with all the proper paperwork) and ONLY the nurse can give it to you. If the nurse wasn't there at that moment or was absent that day, you were shit out of luck.

I'm surprised my school didn't change the rules after that one month when 3 kids were sent to the hospital because they weren't allowed to have epipens on them and the paramedics actually got there faster than the school nurse did with the epipens.
qable 26th-May-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
Why didn't the school contact the student's mother when the inhaler was first confiscated? This entire situation could have been bypassed with a simple phone call requesting the mother come to campus and sign a piece of paper.
dancingspiral 26th-May-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
This happened to me twice. Once, with my inhaler in grade school, and the other time with my epi-pen in high school. The school nurse had my epi-pen in her hand while I was mid-anaphalactic shock. I told her I was going to die. She said she couldn't give it to me. I grabbed it and took it anyway. And then they fucking tried to suspend me. :|

I would never wish an allergic reaction or severe asthma attack on anyone, but I seriously fucking wish people understood what it FEELS like. To have your own body betray your need for oxygen. To just completely shut down on you like that when everything in your body is screaming, "I. NEED. AIR." It's beyond terrifying. And to let it get to the point of passing out is the worst. That's just fucking cruel.

I hate people. :|
oudeteron 27th-May-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
And then they fucking tried to suspend me. :|

...hating people right along with you. What the hell.
serendipity_15 26th-May-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
Okay fine you can't administer medication without the proper paperwork but at least CALL 911! That's not a difficult concept.
cinnamontoast 26th-May-2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
What's the point in having a trained and licensed nurse at school if an EMT has to be called in?
tyndall_blue 27th-May-2012 01:29 am (UTC)
Because EMT's are licensed to provide IV therapies, advanced airways, EKG monitoring, and medication administration without a dr.'s orders in a majority of regions. If the student had gone into respiratory arrest because he was being denied his medicine, or his condition deteriorated to the point he was unable to take his meds, the nurse can't place an ET tube.
lizzy_someone 26th-May-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
Michael Rudi said when he started to pass out from his attack, the nurse locked the door.

Wait a goddamn motherfucking minute, what do you mean she locked the door? Was she fucking TRYING to kill him?? In any case she should be fired, I wouldn't want my kid's health in the hands of a nurse who just stands there watching a kid slowly die without administering or summoning any help whatsoever.
moonshaz 26th-May-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
Was she fucking TRYING to kill him??

Sure as hell sounds like it. :-(
fuzzycthulhu 26th-May-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
WHAT.

I tell you something right now - if this had happened to my child, pray that I don't get there before the paramedics do. Because after I make sure my child is going to make it, I will make sure that somebody besides my child is going to be leaving the premises on a fucking stretcher.

I've had about 3 asthma attacks while I was in grade school (I don't have full-blown asthma like my mother) and I can fully sympathize with this poor kid. The feeling of not being able to breathe is truly horrible.
radiant_smile 26th-May-2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
I'd be out for blood if that was my kid. I hope this nurse is fired and never works with children again.
mirhanda 27th-May-2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
I'd be out for blood if that was my kid. I hope this nurse is fired and never works with children again.

Fixed that for you.
nepthys_12 26th-May-2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
WTF, I hope the nurse loses her job and all the school officials standing by her decision these people do not need to charge of children.I hope his parents sue the shit out that school system. That rule needs to have a fucking common sense clause attached it that says if a child is dying you give them the fucking medicine they need and call 911. I would be out for blood if that was my kid.

ETA: I also suspect zero-tolerance policies are behind this bullshit. Those policies need to be eradicated, like yesterday.

Edited at 2012-05-26 09:17 pm (UTC)
moonshaz 26th-May-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
Oh HELL YEAH, she needs to lose her job. In fact, what she REALLY needs to lose is her fucking NURSING LICENSE.

Withholding PRESCRIBED medical treatment to a patient who is obviously in dire need, whose LIFE is in imminent danger? HELLO? Who the FUCK does that?

That woman has no right to continue to call herself a nurse. NONE. I don't care WHAT the administrative regulations say; as a health care professional, she has a professional code of fucking ETHICS to follow, which she obviously chose to ignore. That is unforgiveable and inexcusable, afaic.

If the school district feels like they just HAVE to continue to employ her, they can give her a job mopping floors and scrubbing toilets, because she OBVIOUSLY can't be entrusted with any more important responsibilities.

Nursing? Uh-uh. No way. No how.

Edited at 2012-05-26 10:09 pm (UTC)
iamglory 26th-May-2012 09:42 pm (UTC)
OK...I can understand you taking the meds and then calling the mother and saying, "Dear Mom, please sign this form, until then his meds will be in the nurses office in case he needs it in an emergency." That can be done in one day.

YOU DO NOT STARE AT SOMEONE TRYING TO BREATHE AND HOLD IT FUCKING BACK BECAUSE OF A PIECE OF FUCKIN PAPER! That's cruel and I would so fucking sue and make sure the nurse and the administration of the school were fired and as they were fired I would tell them to fucking burn in hell.

That's awful! I would have literally punch the fucking nurse and shoved her over, given my child the inhaler and then told them to call the police as they just committed attempted murder.
emofordino 26th-May-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
yeah, i'm a nurse and if i were in that situation i would take my chances and give the kid the inhaler. i feel like in life-threatening situations like this, consent is implied. it's more negligent to NOT do anything. at least call fucking 911, that is not a hard concept.
grey853 26th-May-2012 09:46 pm (UTC)
I'd sue their sorry asses off, especially the nurse who locked the fucking door and didn't call 911!!! WTF?
nicosian 26th-May-2012 09:53 pm (UTC)
I don't get it, most asthmatics ( and others who need meds) even at a wee age are well able to manage taking their meds. Keeping them in a nurses office is idiocy.

If it was me, my mom would have brought the wrath of the universe upon their heads, if it were my kid? they'd best start running. I'd be out for blood.

She didn't call 911. didn't call the parent. didn't DO anything but turn her back and lock the door? choke off her air and see how she might feel when the means to breathe is held by someone else. It isn't fun to struggle to breathe. Its less fun I imagine, when someone's holding the inhaler out of your grasp. The cruelty astounds me.
emofordino 26th-May-2012 10:37 pm (UTC)
a lot of schools will not let the kids have their own medications with them at school. if you have to take meds, you have to put them in the nurses office. i'm sure most kids would keep their meds with them if they had the choice.
mskye 26th-May-2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
choke off her air and see how she might feel when the means to breathe is held by someone else.

I vote for a strangling, Nurse Ratched style.

EDIT: I was trying to reply to the comment before me.

Edited at 2012-05-26 10:05 pm (UTC)
moonshaz Professional ethics??!????!??26th-May-2012 10:20 pm (UTC)
I can't BELIEVE that this nurse's conduct didn't violate some sort of nursing code of professional ethics. After all, what she did was WITHHOLD prescribed medication from a patient whose life was obviously in danger. I am at a loss to understand how following some arbitrary set of school regulations could trump a health care professional's responsibility to provide HEALTH CARE to a possibly dying patient.

Unfortunately, all the information I've found online about nursing ethics is WAAAY too tl:dr to help me make sense of this. If anyone here who is a nurse or other health care professional can contribute anything on this topic, I'd love to hear what you have to say.

Seriously, isn't it a violation of a nurse's professional ethics to withhold health care from someone who is at death's door? (Please, PLEASE say it is, because otherwise, I am going to have to find a different planet to live on.)

Edited at 2012-05-26 10:21 pm (UTC)
emofordino Re: Professional ethics??!????!??26th-May-2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
from what i learned in nursing school, there has to be some kind of "implied consent" clause when it comes to situations like this. possibly killing a kid in a life-threatening health crisis from not giving them the meds they need is obviously more negligent than giving kids their medicine even though it didn't have the proper documentation. at least, that's the way it is in ohio. florida isn't really known for having the smartest laws though. :/
aviv_b 26th-May-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
JFC - if that were my kid, I'd be spending the night in jail and that nurse would be lucky not to be spending that night in a morgue.
fuzzycthulhu 26th-May-2012 11:27 pm (UTC)
Or at the very least that nurse facing the prospect of drinking 3 meals a day through a straw and having a limp and a lisp for the rest of her life.
bleed_peroxide 26th-May-2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
my son collapsing against the wall on the floor of the nurse's office while she was standing in the window of the locked door looking down at my son

If I didn't know the context, reading that passage would make me think I was reading a snippet from a horror film. Holy shit.

This doesn't surprise me, though - the schools down here would have the stupidest policies on shit. I remember a teacher threatening me with suspension because I was hacking up half my fucking lungs and had the nerve to pop in a throat drop so (ironically enough) I wouldn't disturb the class. You had to literally smuggle in cough drops because it was considered medication.

Edited at 2012-05-26 11:11 pm (UTC)
lafinjack 27th-May-2012 02:00 am (UTC)
If I didn't know the context, reading that passage would make me think I was reading a snippet from a horror film. Holy shit.

It's Milgram experiment kind of stuff, which is its own type of horror.
tsaraven 26th-May-2012 11:44 pm (UTC)
This is so scary. If my kids need epi-pens or inhalers (something for life and death situations and not just ibuprofen) then I'm going to tell them to keep it on them at all times and hide it. If they need to use it in an emergency in front of others then we'll deal with the suspension then. I'd rather have an unjustly suspended kid than a dead kid. :/
mirhanda 27th-May-2012 07:01 pm (UTC)
I did exactly this with my kids.
washable 27th-May-2012 12:07 am (UTC)
Oh for fuck's sake!
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