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Virginia tech proposes cutting down colonial era forest to make way for sports facility

3:51 pm - 06/01/2012


When it comes to recruiting, Virginia Tech’s athletics department is taking an “if we build it, they will come” approach, with plans to construct a new $20 million indoor practice facility for its football and other sports teams near Lane Stadium on the university campus.

The Hokies have the third-longest college bowl game streak in the country, and have sold out every game since 1998. However, they have yet to win a national championship. The athletics department hopes a state-of-the-art facility nearer to the football stadium could help change that.

There’s only one problem: A densely wooded area chock full of old-growth trees, some older than the United States itself, is in the way.

Blueprint plans that have been in the works for over a decade would require chopping down at least 60 trees over the age of 150. Six of the trees have been found to be more than 300 years old.


A group called Friends of Stadium Woods and Virginia Tech professor John Seiler are determined not to let those trees come down.

Seiler, a professor of forest biology and a tree physiology specialist, has dedicated his entire career to the university and often takes his students into these 11 acres of woods to teach. So when he was told by university administration officials that they believed no tree in the woods was more than 80 years old and the new facility site was a “done deal,” Seiler decided to do something about it.

In January, he bought a large increment borer — a tool used to extract a section of wood from a living tree used to determine its age — and took a walk into the familiar woods.

After testing a few trees, he discovered something amazing.

“This was like catching a big fish for me,” he said, pointing to a small slice of wood in his office. “That wood was formed from carbon dioxide in the air, turned into wood by photosynthesis, in 1697.”

Seiler believes the forest is a national treasure and should be saved. “The forest is in fact an endangered species in the United States. It’s literally the rarest type of forest structure left in the United States.”


Armed with the tree-testing evidence, Seiler hoped the discussion would end right then and there, that the athletics department would consider building at another location. Instead, they pushed back, insisting on moving forward on the original plans.

Virginia Tech President Dr. Charles W. Steger in January appointed an ad hoc committee to hear the arguments and make a recommendation on whether the facility should be built as planned or at at alternate location.

Steger took his own walk through the woods but confessed he couldn’t tell the significance or the age of the trees.

“I’m not qualified to judge. … I can’t tell the age of a tree. I forget my own birthday on occasion,” the president joked.

“So, we’ll see what the report has to say and at the end of the day we’ll do the right thing.”
The committee has been holding closed-door sessions for months now. John Randolph, a professor of urban affairs and planning, chairs the committee and acknowledges the school faces a “conflict of value.”

“We’re a big-time football school and a lot of people care about that,” Randolph said. “We are also a green university. We’re (among) Princeton Review’s ‘Top 16 Green Universities’ and we’re a Tree Campus USA designee.”

The committee surveyed faculty members and staff on campus and found most were in favor of saving the trees.

The sentiment for preserving the woods is “pretty clear and pretty overwhelming,” Randolph said. “Very few have indicated that athletics should probably decide where this should go.”
Still, committee members have continued to meet to balance that perceived majority opinion with the importance of the new facility.


“Success begets success. Fundraising, new facilities and trying to be competitive in a very competitive football environment — an indoor practice facility is kind of a key part of that element,” Randolph said. “A lot of the big schools are adding them.”

According to George Schroeder, college football contributor for Sports Illustrated, close-by practice facilities are essential to college athletics programs’ recruiting.

“A lot of other programs have smaller, convenient, localized facilities. If you can stick it closer it helps recruiting,” Schroeder said. “But the buzzword is efficiency. It’s the idea of let’s have everything in a central location and try to squeeze the most into their day.”
The current indoor practice facility is nearly a mile from the stadium and outdoor practice field.


Seiler said he and other advocates for the forest “are not against this facility at all. We’re simply saying you need to put it in the alternate location, which doesn’t have to cut a single tree.”

He was referring to a suggested spot, right next to the woods, that is currently occupied by tennis courts, but not all students like that idea.

“You use the tennis courts a lot more than I see people using the trees and hanging around the trees,” recent Tech graduate Alex Foldenauer said.

A less preferable alternative would be the area where a large parking lot is currently situated, but the campus has a critical need for parking and the space is already set aside for a future parking garage, said Randolph, the committee chairman.

Randolph said the opposing sides might “have to give a little on the edges, but if their core values can be represented, that’s the idea.”

With signs urging “Save Stadium Woods” placed in yards throughout Blacksburg, and an online petition signed by more than 9,000 people across the country, Seiler and members of Friends of Stadium Woods hope public sentiment will sway the committee.

But they are also preparing for the chance that the committee recommends building at the stadium woods location and are willing to go to extreme lengths if they have to.

“There will be things that we can do if they decide to site it in the woods,” Rebekah Paulson, executive director of Friends of Stadium Woods says. “Like chaining people to trees and putting people up in the trees.”


Seiler noted that the committee recommendation is not binding. “The administration can make a different decision and the board of visitors will have the final say,” he said.

The committee plans to deliver their final report to university Vice President Sherwood Wilson by Friday. Wilson will then prepare his recommendations to Steger, and the university’s Board of Visitors will be briefed by Randolph on Monday.

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mollywobbles867 2nd-Jun-2012 05:04 am (UTC)
4eyedblonde 2nd-Jun-2012 05:29 am (UTC)
I clicked on this post preparing to post a ragey comment and then I saw this and forgot what I wanted to say

*shakes fist*
hinoema 2nd-Jun-2012 06:36 am (UTC)
Oh MAN. This has never happened before, but I tried to watch that and got a headache right between my eyes.
tala_nahimana 2nd-Jun-2012 08:49 am (UTC)
o.O  I'm so happy that I am not an epileptic.  LoL
evilgmbethy 2nd-Jun-2012 09:32 am (UTC)
mte Dany
darth_eldritch 2nd-Jun-2012 12:34 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes, this.
schmanda 2nd-Jun-2012 05:58 am (UTC)
Huh. I'm a VT alumna and this is the first I've heard of this (though I knew right away what woods they were -- my first dorm room overlooked them and the tennis courts mentioned in the article).

I guess it's nice that the athletic department has all this money to throw around now (Obligatory "Back In My Day": Tech football games not only didn't sell out, but for my first two years, most of my friends skipped games altogether), but they seem to have done all right without an indoor practice facility right next door to the stadium. The football success has been nice, but even I am getting to the point that not everything on that campus needs to be a monument to the football program (Win something that matters first, forfuckssake. At this point I'll settle for them winning the next Streak-Extending-But-Ultimately-Meaningless Bowl Game or five they play in.).

I hope they choose wisely, tbh. Seems they're getting pretty close to that inevitable "paving over the last blade of grass" groundbreaking, and that's a shame. (What I loved about the campus when I was in school was that there were open spaces that balanced out the structures -- now many of those quads and spaces have been filled in. I understand the need for growth and change, but now when I make it back, usually once a year or so, some new, massive construction has sprung up and it's all almost unrecognizable to me :[ See also: "My Day, Back In"...)

ETA: Just now noticed the "tree surgery" tag. Four for you, fenris_lorsrai. XD

Edited at 2012-06-02 05:03 pm (UTC)
heartbreakangel 2nd-Jun-2012 06:56 am (UTC)
“You use the tennis courts a lot more than I see people using the trees and hanging around the trees,” recent Tech graduate Alex Foldenauer said.



PEOPLE USE THE TREES EVERY DAY, YOU FUCKASS. IT'S CALLED OXYGEN PRODUCTION, WHICH IS VITAL TO THIS FANCIFUL THING CALLED BREATHING!

Ahem. Pardon my outburst, but for fuck's sake.
sparkindarkness 2nd-Jun-2012 10:53 am (UTC)
I also shudder at the idea of nature preservation that requires said nature to be "useful" and "used" by people to be worthwhile!
mandrill 2nd-Jun-2012 01:02 pm (UTC)
They could build a gravel running trail around/through the forest and thus use that valuable woodland area for sports training and for use by the public for jogging.
othellia 2nd-Jun-2012 02:05 pm (UTC)
Our school has Frisbee Golf trails running through almost all of our wooded areas. :D
romp 2nd-Jun-2012 05:35 pm (UTC)
The US has managed to get a lot of people to discount anything that doesn't have a profit or obvious, practical purpose. Which oxygen is but, you know, science.

I see this attitude being pushed in Canada but not enough people recognize it for what it is, IMO. People like this will take every shared resource, every common good, and privatize it.
fenris_lorsrai 2nd-Jun-2012 06:17 pm (UTC)
They do have this forestry and ecology department that uses it. It's a fucking CLASSROOM. a funny looking one with specialized equipment, but it is a classroom.
emofordino 3rd-Jun-2012 01:47 am (UTC)
SERIOUSLY. JFC, people, use your brains! not to mention we need old-growth trees to suck up all the carbon that we release into the air, since no one wants to stop wrecking the atmosphere that way either. good fucking grief.
ceruleanst 2nd-Jun-2012 06:58 am (UTC)
Still, committee members have continued to meet to balance that perceived majority opinion with the importance of the new facility.

Any description of football as literally "important" — at all — will not get an inch out of me.
iamrosalita 2nd-Jun-2012 12:36 pm (UTC)
This.
mdemvizi 2nd-Jun-2012 08:24 am (UTC)
omg i've been waiting for a tree surgery post. i was watching the local news cover the destruction done by beryl in the area and they mentioned tree surgery and i yelled 'tree surgery' out loud and my dad looked at me and it was awkward.

thank you ontd_p for tree surgery.
tala_nahimana 2nd-Jun-2012 08:56 am (UTC)
Wait a sec.  Am I to understand that, according to their logic, they think that building a brand-spankin' new football stadium will suddenly and magickally start making them win some actual championships?</p>

Funny. I always thought practice and hard work would eventually accomplish that. Silly me. LoL

But geez, why do they have to insist on destroying something as precious as that forest in order to do it?

"Aw, the hell with it and screw what we, as a species, could learn from studying those trees. Let's just clear 'em all out and use 'em to make our swanky new stadium! Maybe thar old trees will help us to win those championships!!!"

-_-

roseofjuly 2nd-Jun-2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
Not a stadium, a new indoor practice facility. But wait - it's not that they don't already have an indoor practice facility, it's that the players have to walk about 20 minutes to get it it from the stadium and their outdoor practice space. Football players. Having to WALK.
brookiki 2nd-Jun-2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
But wait - it's not that they don't already have an indoor practice facility, it's that the players have to walk about 20 minutes to get it it from the stadium and their outdoor practice space. Football players. Having to WALK.

Hmm... No national championship and football players that must be protected from the rigors a 20 minute walk. Anyone else see a connection here?
romp 2nd-Jun-2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
wouldn't athletes in training want to run?
roseofjuly 2nd-Jun-2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
you would think
mirhanda 2nd-Jun-2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
OMG HOW DARE YOU EXPECT THEM TO EXERCISE, THEY WON'T WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BY WASTING THEIR TIME EXERCI...OH WAIT.
tala_nahimana 3rd-Jun-2012 11:19 am (UTC)
LMFAO
ceilidh 2nd-Jun-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
they might get TIRED. :(
tala_nahimana 3rd-Jun-2012 11:18 am (UTC)
Ah, gotcha. My bad.

But wait - it's not that they don't already have an indoor practice facility, it's that the players have to walk about 20 minutes to get it it from the stadium and their outdoor practice space. Football players. Having to WALK.

:-O *gasp* Oh noes!!!! Say it ain't so!!!!!
tala_nahimana 2nd-Jun-2012 08:59 am (UTC)
I <3 your outbursts.  Just sayin'.   :-)
evilgmbethy 2nd-Jun-2012 09:34 am (UTC)
well as someone who has lived in Virginia and other parts of the South where college football is worshiped like a god, I somehow doubt the forests are gonna win this battle. Le sigh. I am unhappy about the fact that all the grad schools I'm looking at have huge football programs.
deathchibi 3rd-Jun-2012 03:25 am (UTC)
Yeah. Our school is having problems funding IT shit but OH. ATHLETICS NEEDS A NEW COLOSSEUM. Even though... we rarely fill the current one ...
simply_blah 2nd-Jun-2012 10:14 am (UTC)
Fuck football. Goddamn.
thecityofdis 2nd-Jun-2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
i try to be ~fair and balanced~ about it and acknowledge that it's very important to some people and i have pursuits others find weird that are important to me but...

yeah. i agree with you. the whole industry manufactured around it is just so... garish and wasteful.
simply_blah 2nd-Jun-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
The entitlement of it all is what annoys me the most.
masakochan 2nd-Jun-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
The entitlement and how much money is spent on it.
mysid 2nd-Jun-2012 10:42 am (UTC)
"You use the tennis courts a lot more than I see people using the trees." quoth a Virginia Tech student.

Pardon me if I'm wrong, student, but I'd hazard a guess that the number of Virginia Tech students and faculty who use the tennis courts each day is far outnumbered by the number who "use the trees" daily by breathing.
blackjedii 2nd-Jun-2012 11:36 am (UTC)
Popping in while I browse but -

Yes. There are plenty of signs and petitions up in downtown, especially at the local bars - it was even scribbled on the road because some organization had a chalk art day a few days ago. They also named atree after Stephen Colbert, even though he didn't show up for the ceremony.

Virginia Tech is just - I guess I'd call it an odd little place because it's so big but actually step off campus and you're in a fairly standard town. I know there's some space towards the indusrial complex that's empty fields but that ends up getting used for campers during football games.

Football - can't live with it, can't do without the revenue it generates. :|
iamrosalita 2nd-Jun-2012 12:43 pm (UTC)
The indoor practice facility is "nearly a mile" from the stadium, huh. How awful! Jesus. Make the players run between the two places and call it part of their training. I'm so glad that I went to a college that doesn't have a football team.
othellia 2nd-Jun-2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
Seriously. With how they're going on about it, you'd think it was twenty miles or something. I'm sure that there are campuses where students have to travel that (or more) to get from class to class. :\
roseofjuly 2nd-Jun-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
However, they have yet to win a national championship. The athletics department hopes a state-of-the-art facility nearer to the football stadium could help change that.

How? I'm interested in hearing the logic behind this. Are they suggesting that having to walk almost a mile between their practice spaces is really what's holding them back from a national championship?

I really hate the worship of college sports, particularly college football.

Boohoo, a bunch of football players who are trained athletes - and are getting paid handsomely for playing a game - have to walk almost 20 minutes to the indoor practice facility? Because that's about how long it takes to walk a mile.
very_veggie 2nd-Jun-2012 06:20 pm (UTC)
I think the reasoning is that a state of the art facility would help with recruiting players who could help them win a national championship. idk *shrugs*

After the what happened with Penn State State football, I am so over big-time college athletics.
roseofjuly 2nd-Jun-2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
I'm willing to bet the facility they have is already pretty state of the art.
tabaqui 2nd-Jun-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
Putting sports above everything else is a sure way to make my blood boil. For fuck's sake. Leave the friggin' trees alone and make the the damn ATHLETES jog to the practice place.
*stomps around in a fit of pique*
romp 2nd-Jun-2012 05:41 pm (UTC)
Well, they can try building the new facility and if it doesn't make the school wealthy, they can always replace it with a 300-year-old forest again.
sankaku_atama 2nd-Jun-2012 07:26 pm (UTC)
College Athletics: Fuck Breathing, We Want CHAMPIONSHIPS!
maynardsong 3rd-Jun-2012 05:57 am (UTC)
Well now's a time I'm perfectly on board with my alma mater's animosity to Tech.
Wahoos represent.
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