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Green Lantern is gay! No, not that one....and not that one either.

8:31 pm - 06/01/2012
DC Comics’ New Gay Character Is Green Lantern Alan Scott



DC Comics has been teasing the reveal of a major gay character for some time, and they’ve finally revealed who it will be: Alan Scott, known as Green Lantern, a media mogul, will be revealed to be gay in a story that resets his character. When this news came out, I said it would be best if the supposedly-iconic character DC was going to have come out was someone for whom the revelation that he or she was gay helped tie together things we’d always known about the character and their personality, much as J.K. Rowling did with Albus Dumbledore. I’m not sure if a pure reset of an existing character quite does that. And over at Topless Robot, Rob Bricken explains that the move isn’t as bold as DC insisted it would be, in part because Scott is not even the most prominent Green Lantern in comics today, and in part because his arc as a gay man will be taking place in an alternate DC Comics universe, rather than altering our sense of the core universe, where a straight Alan Scott presumably is still going about his business.

DC Comics was never going to turn one of their genuinely iconic characters gay. An out and proud Batman would have been a great joke on moralists like Frederic Wertham, the psychiatrist who saw sexual perversion everywhere he looked in comic books. A gay Superman would have been a fascinating exploration of what it means to feel like an alien in human society. But it’s hard to imagine that DC would have done something so bold simply to demonstrate its commitment to diversity, or to compete in a market where Marvel Comics, and even Archie Comics, are directly selling themselves both to gay readers and to straight readers who live among and love the gay people in their lives.

Checking the box and including a gay character in your universe, whether you frame them as a stereotype or develop them well or not, isn’t really enough to earn a company points anymore. And I actually think the somewhat disappointed reaction to this revelation is a good thing because it suggests that our expectations are getting more ambitious. If companies want credit for doing something different and genuinely brave, rather than simply meeting their basic obligations to represent the world around them, they need to tell stories or highlight kinds of characters that no one else has the courage to represent. The L.A. Complex gets points for portraying gay characters who aren’t white and male, the standard television default. Happy Endings gets credit for showing us a gay man who’s chubby, romantic, semi-downwardly mobile. Maybe DC Comics will do something genuinely exciting with Alan Scott, but it’s fine not to shower the company with gratitude for simply nodding towards a diversity quota, and doing so with the same kind of gay person who’s been acceptable in pop culture for years: rich and white.

Getting rather tired of all the dudebro comments saying it should have Wonder Woman or Power Girl...

source: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/06/01/493748/dc-comics-new-gay-character-is-green-lantern-alan-scott/
temperance_k 2nd-Jun-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
I kind of wish, if the companies are ~worried about going all the way~ and claiming a character to be gay, that they'd just make a major character bisexual. That way, they don't have to retcon all of the main character's previous romantic relations (which would be an issue for most major characters) while still maybe giving the main character a good same-sex partner? Pretty please? With a cherry on top?

Because it's all well and good to have a gay character, but not if said gay character never gets a long term, stable partner. Though I realize Marvel is doing somewhat better in this category.
jazzypom Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 03:46 pm (UTC)
Dakken (Logan Hewitt's kid) and Bobbi Morse.

Dakken and Bobbi aren't with partners right now because of ~reasons~.
temperance_k Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
Marvel also does much better at the long term, stable partner thing (Northstar/Colossus in Ultimate X-Men, Northstar in 616 getting married, Billy and Ted from Young Avengers, and Karolina and Xavin from Runaways). I guess that's really more of a suggestion for DC.

Although it'd always be nice for other major Marvel characters to come out as bi (Tony Stark seems an obvious choice, though not a likely one, I guess).
jazzypom Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
Tony Stark and Henry Hellrung (Hellrung was an actor who got a gig playing Tony Stark in a TV series, before his career was derailed by - oh, irony- drink) having a relationship was hinted at in The Order.

Don't forget Shatterstar and Sunspot! I think Liefield (Shatterstar creator) threw a sh!t fit when he heard a Marvel writer turned Shatterstar gay.

I wish they'd have more characters of colour being gay (apart from Northstar's husband to be) though. If you followed the comics, you'd think that only white people were anything other than straight.
temperance_k Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 04:32 pm (UTC)
Ah, yes. Now they just have to confirm Tony's mancrush on Cap, and...

I think you're thinking of Rictor rather than Sunspot? I do remember that drama about Shatterstar though. I just didn't know whether to include them, since I wasn't sure how long their romance actually lasted. I am all for fail!X-Men relationships, though (Still angry Northstar/Iceman didn't happen, tbh).

The only queer PoC I can think of all the top of my head is Karma.
jazzypom Thank you!2nd-Jun-2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
It's X-factor people, I know that much. I haven't kept an eye on them since the 1990s.

You get the feeling that they write Steve and Tony as people who are in a relationship but clueless and totally in love with each other. There's a reason why people were like, "Civil War was the worst breakup ever!" over in TV Tropes (yes, it's reductive to look at an event like that, but there you go).

I think Captain Marvel (Monica - not Carol Danvers) is supposed to be lesbian, but it's one of those things that might more be fanlore than actual canon.

Oh! Victoria Hand (Norman Osborn's former right hand woman) is lesbian - her partner broke up with her due to ~reasons~.
temperance_k Re: Thank you!2nd-Jun-2012 04:46 pm (UTC)
I apparently need recommendations for earlier comics to read, because I think a lot of the Steve/Tony-ness only came out once Civil War started? Though there were definitely some earlier gems (Avengers: Red Zone!).

See, I feel like there are lots of LGBT characters... they're just not mainstream. So it's really a game of comic trivia to name them, which is the problem.
jazzypom Steve and Tony were always bromantic 2nd-Jun-2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
Like, from wayyyyy back in the day. I'd say Armour Ways is a good arc that shows how 'fraught' their relationship was. There was the first twenty issues of New Avengers, when Steve and Tony decide to set up the Avengers after Tony disbanded because he had no money.

Red Zone is good, so is Avengers Prime. Bendis seems to have written it for fan service, because there are heartfelt apologies at the end, when hugs all around. D'awww.

Yeah, for comic characters on the LGBT scale- there's Daken - who just happens to be a troll, not because he's bisexual, but because he lives for the lulz.

Bobbi is bisexual, Natasha Romanova might be 'searching'.

But yeah, Marvel didn't really push the whole 'gay is okay' relationship until Young Avengers. Billy and Teddy are such good lads, I wouldn't even mind if they ended up married down the road (because I am leery of teenage romances that end up in marriage).

hllangel Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 04:58 pm (UTC)
Shatterstar and Rictor show up together in Children's Crusade this year, which also features a lot of awesome Billy and Teddy things.
spiffynamehere Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
I'm not holding my breath for Tony/Cap, but they did have a nod to the ship. Genderswapped, but I really like genderswap so...
cyranothe2nd Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
WHAT, TONY/CAP IS CONFIRMED?????

(I have been shipping the Science Bros (Tony/Bruce) ~so hard~ since the Avengers movie...)
temperance_k Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though3rd-Jun-2012 02:00 am (UTC)
No, they aren't! Sorry, I probably phrased that oddly. I mean more that they SHOULD confirm it. :P
silver_sandals Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though3rd-Jun-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
Oh wait, and I see now you already know all that. -headdesk- Need to read more carefully.
silver_sandals Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though3rd-Jun-2012 06:22 pm (UTC)
There's Xavin, who's black and genderqueer, although that's complicated by them being a shapeshifting alien... Karolina Dean also has a -lot- of subtext with Nico Minoru, but that's actually kind of annoyed me more than anything because it never goes anywhere.
meran_flash Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though4th-Jun-2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
Shatterstar isn't gay, he's pansexual and polyamorous, and his boyfriend Rictor is bisexual (even if Peter Allen David is fucking terrible at understanding what that means). But yes, Liefeld, King of the Dudebros was pissed.
beoweasel Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
Marvel also does much better at the long term, stable partner thing (Northstar/Colossus in Ultimate X-Men

Um, ehhh? Considering they crippled Ult!Northstar and Ult!Colossus is rotting in a concentration camp for mutants...

Not to mention that in a recent marvel comic, they just killed off another gay character, who was murdered by his lover.
temperance_k Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though3rd-Jun-2012 02:02 am (UTC)
Ah, spoke too soon. Sorry! I don't actually follow X-Men or any of the Ultimates 'verse. Back when they first got together, Ultimate!Colossus was basically the most recognizable gay character (IMO), so I was excited.
spiffynamehere Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 05:10 pm (UTC)
Black Cat was openly bi in the M2 imprint, though I don't know if that officially carried over to the main universes.
beoweasel Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though2nd-Jun-2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you want to use Daken as an example, he's hardly a positive figure, and if anything reinforces the 'depraved bisexual' stereotype. I mean, he's a psychopath that likes to fuck with people and murder them in horrible ways. I wouldn't call that a good depiction of bisexual people...not to mention he's kinda dead right now.
jazzypom Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though3rd-Jun-2012 07:33 am (UTC)
Daken might have started off as a depraved bisexual stereoptype, but under certain writers (like Liu), Daken got fleshed out into a three dimensional character. Still a dick, still all for himself, but he moved beyond a biracial, bisexual stereotype, but yeah, YMMV.
beoweasel Re: Marvel has two bisexual characters though3rd-Jun-2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you can't redeem the character, you just can't. Not when you have scenes where he murdered a man by suffocating him with a plastic bag...who he had just had sex with, and he did ALL of that just to fuck with the woman who thought Daken was her boyfriend...and after THAT, he murdered her too.
nope_de_plume 2nd-Jun-2012 07:43 pm (UTC)
Marvel has Rictor and Shatterstar

Two somewhat minor characters that were made in the late 80s/early 90s. I think they had the first gay kiss marvel had that wasn't done by villains in marvel (I may be wrong)

And while they certainly have issues in their relationship they're still together and in love and have been for a couple years I think?
meran_flash 3rd-Jun-2012 09:52 am (UTC)
Wondy's already canon bisexual, but it's only hinted at.
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