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TW: Molestation & Death - Father kills man who tried to molest his 4-year-old daughter

10:01 pm - 06/12/2012
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shukivengeance 13th-Jun-2012 04:44 am (UTC)
One less piece of child molesting scum in the world. I'd like to buy the man a drink.

I wish their family the best in recovering from such a terrible and life-altering event.
fornikate 13th-Jun-2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
+1
leaf_collector 13th-Jun-2012 04:50 am (UTC)
He deserved it, and I'm not sorry he's dead, not even gonna argue with that.

But, he should've been alive to face the consequences of his actions - as in everyday in prison, where he would've had the same treatment tenfold. I also worry about his other potential victims, who hopefully will come forward regardless, and without fear. But, if four-year-old's are this sick fuck's agenda, I wonder if they're too young to really talk about/process what happened to them.
I know I wasn't able to, not for many many years.

Everything is just shit tonight, but I hope that little girl and her family can rest easier knowing he's not around anymore.

Edited at 2012-06-13 05:58 am (UTC)
gloraelin 13th-Jun-2012 06:00 am (UTC)
I cannot support the idea that a rapist deserves to be raped in prison. That's like telling a child "you can't hit people, so I'll hit you to punish you for hitting people." Rapists should be punished, yes, but propagating rape is not the way to do it.
ohmiya_sg 13th-Jun-2012 06:18 am (UTC)
ia
leaf_collector 13th-Jun-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
Oh you're absolutely right of course. I didn't mean to imply that rape is acceptable for any reason, though I realize that is essentially what I said. The topic struck home for my and I allowed my own bitterness to temper my opinion on this. Sorry for that, I'll think more on my comments in the future.
tala_nahimana 14th-Jun-2012 03:01 am (UTC)
You're not the only one, hon. *hugs* Don't feel bad.
leaf_collector 14th-Jun-2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
Clarification: when I said he should've been alive to sufferthe consequences I didn't mean to imply that the ONLY suitable punishment was rape. Yet regardless of how wrong it is ( and it is there's no denying it) it happens. It's not good nor right nor proper, but few things in this world are, and I simply cannot feel bad for a molestor who receives the same treatment in prison. I was once told that statistically speaking a child molestor was likely abused himself. I don't know I that has any bearing in this case, but the point is, we will never know because he's dead. Did he deserve it?? Well, that's a loaded question but I said below, general consensus is hat he did even if it was an accident.
He should've been alive to suffer the consequences and think about he lives he ruined including his own. That little girl would one day have had a chance to face her abuser (if she wanted) and ask why. Instead her father has his blood on his hands and he now regrets it. The cruelty needs an end.. It won't be with manslaughter nor rape.... And it's all hypothetical at this point, but maybe that man could've understood precisely how horrifying it is to be violated. Maybe it would have perpetuated violence (more likely than not), but it mint have been a chance to set things as right asthey could be. Nothing about this fucking awful scenario was right, but it happened and eventhough my entire hypothetical situation didn't happen to him, it still happens elsewhere.

Addendum: sorry for all the edits I'm on my mobile and typos abound.

Edited at 2012-06-14 06:58 pm (UTC)
tala_nahimana 14th-Jun-2012 03:00 am (UTC)
Hon, I don't propagate rape either, but sometimes even I think "Let the punishment fit the crime". I'm sorry (and I accept that I may get bashed for having this opinion), but someone who is so foul as to rape ANYONE, much less a child, deserves whatever they get in prison. Child rapists in prison are high on the bitch list of other prisoners from what I understand and I can't bring myself to feel any sympathy for scumbags like that whatsoever. That's just called Karma, in my honest opinion.
roseofjuly 14th-Jun-2012 06:33 am (UTC)
No one deserves to be raped. No one.

And "bitch list" is a misogynistic term, so...yeah.
leaf_collector 14th-Jun-2012 05:54 pm (UTC)
It's a complicated issue, for a certainty. I don't condone abuse in prison, but there's no doubt in my mind it happens and my feelings on it won't effect it one way or another. Having stated that, I will never feel bad for a child molester who is raped in prison- it's not right nor good nor proper, but few things in this world are. There is a certain poetic justice behind it.

When I was a child, the man who abused me begged not to go to prison for fear of what might happen to him there. I was (am) a scared kid... But even then I couldn't help but wonder: you're afraid of being violated.... I simply cannot imagine how that must feel (/sarcasm). But it was precisely the horror of knowing how awful that is that allowed me to be manipulated into letting that man go. I've never forgiven myself for that. I say again I can never feel sympathy for a child molestor. (sigh) heavy stuff, but thanks for understanding my bitterness on this..
effervescent 13th-Jun-2012 06:03 am (UTC)
...yeah, I can't say that I blame the man. I don't advocate violence but in some situations it's a natural response.
jazzypom that sounds about right13th-Jun-2012 06:18 am (UTC)
A four year old just doesn't scream for nothing. Poor child.
readyfuels 13th-Jun-2012 07:04 am (UTC)
I do not know how anyone can molest a child.
If I found out someone was hurting a child I so much as knew? Well. It would not be pretty.
tala_nahimana 14th-Jun-2012 02:56 am (UTC)
Exactly. Shit, I got a lot of people that, if someone ever hurt my children like that, we'd happily go after the bastard and make him our own personal pinata, pin-cushion, and a whole slew of other things LoL

And if I got arrested, I'd be going with my head held high because I did what I had to to protect not only my children but also to ensure that the sick motherfucker couldn't victimize anyone else's baby. With PRIDE.
homasse 13th-Jun-2012 07:21 am (UTC)
So far, no charges, but it'll likely go to a grand jury.

Given this is Texas, though, I don't foresee this guy ever doing any time.
distilledvanity 13th-Jun-2012 08:51 am (UTC)
good, he shouldn't
the_gabih 13th-Jun-2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
Good riddance to bad rubbish. I just hope the kid's alright.
xerox78 13th-Jun-2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
The victim was only identified as a 47-year-old man from Gonzales, Texas.

This would be a good story to put scare quotes around the word victim.
gr_julian 13th-Jun-2012 05:24 pm (UTC)
mte, mte
nightfury 13th-Jun-2012 03:37 pm (UTC)
Sorry but thank god that POS isn't around any more.
hammersxstrings 13th-Jun-2012 06:37 pm (UTC)
from what i understand, and it's been stated, he was just beating the guy up and was actually pretty upset to find he killed him. I hope he doesn't get charged with anything, cause he was just defending his child.
ebay313 14th-Jun-2012 12:33 am (UTC)
Not upset if he's not charged. My first thought when I heard this was that this is a good case for jury nullification. But won't even have to go there if he isn't charged.

Saw this on facebook and someone actually said that at least the 4 year old will be able to get therapy but the man who was killed won't get to do anything.
Really? -_- Because being sexually abused is totally not something that often stays with someone for life or anything.
tala_nahimana 14th-Jun-2012 02:52 am (UTC)
FUCK YES!!!! I would HAPPILY do the same thing if some sick bastard was trying to molest or abuse my children!!

I really hope that the father won't face any criminal charges. He was doing his duty, in my honest opinion, as a parent by doing what he felt was necessary to ensue his daughter's safety.
kira_snugz 14th-Jun-2012 10:21 pm (UTC)
i can totally see a father killing someone after seeing something like that.

you hear occasionally about fights where only 2 or 3 punches are thrown and the way one of them lands results in death.

theres a case going on in winnipeg right now (or it might be over actually) where there was one punch and the person who got hit died. the puncher is a player on the cfl team in town and hes arguing for self defence. it was at a bar, the other guy harassed him and hit him first. he punched him once and guy went down. he wasn't trying to kill him.

if i walked in on someone touching my kid. i would definitely want to hurt that person. i would not instantly want to kill them, i would want to get them off my kid and make them hurt. there would not really be a lot of actual thinking involved. just mine, and you don't touch and make you hurt, make you hurt. it would be a situation where a loss of control is not surprising and an application of non lethal force could quickly become something else entirely.
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