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What makes some of us uncomfortable with bisexual women? It is because we think they're either lesbians having straight sex or straight women testing out their fantasies on us before returning to men?

In today's post-modern, queer-focused world, bisexuality is being promoted to lesbians as the latest fashionable trend. This has resulted in lesbian politics, namely feminism, being passed over for sexual hedonism, where the only thing that matters is sexual pleasure and desire. Similarly, bisexuality is sold to heterosexual women as some type of recreational activity far from their "natural home" of straight sex. It is seen as "temporary lesbianism."


It is more à la mode to have sex with a man if you are a lesbian than if you're a straight woman, who is merely doing what she is expected to do "naturally." Lesbians having heterosexual sex are seen as transgressive, when in fact they are simply reverting to a traditional way of being a woman. For a straight woman, having a girlfriend on the side is almost like having the latest Prada handbag.

Camille Paglia, the most famous "anti-lesbian lesbian," has written reams about how she worships the penis and cannot understand those of us who do not. In fact Paglia, like many lesbian tourists who sleep with women on the weekend and go back to hubby on Monday morning, thinks lesbian sex needs to be "spiced up" by the odd "het" shag:

Women, I think, are naturally bisexual. You know I'm not telling lesbians to stop sleeping only with women, but to leave open a part of the brain toward men and accept male lust and find men extremely attractive and get horny in relation to men and ogle their bodies and do something with them, then sex with women will be hotter.

Has Paglia internalized so much anti-lesbian oppression that she, too, thinks that all lesbians need is a good bit of heterosexual-style shagging?

But many lesbians, and even bisexual women themselves, mistrust the concept of swinging both ways. One U.S. study of bisexuality, which draws on interviews with 400 self-identified lesbians and bisexual women, found that a substantial number of bisexuals prefer to hang out with lesbians instead of other bisexual women in social situations, and have greater political trust in lesbians than they do in other bisexual women. It was also found that "[s]ome bisexual women actually doubt whether bisexual women exist at all."

Whatever our views and politics about lesbianism may be, we cannot deny that women face compulsory heterosexuality from birth. Despite huge progress since I came out in 1977, it is still not really acceptable to reject men and choose not to live under their guardianship, whether you are in Saudi Arabia or the U.K.

When I write about making a positive choice to be a lesbian, and that I believe there is no gay (or for that matter bisexual) "gene," I am accused of being an ideological robot and therefore not genuinely sexually attracted to women. That is nonsense. I personally feel that straight women are missing out on the best sex on the planet, but that is their choice.

If we put aside lesbian feminism, the way most people approach sexuality is that they think we are straight, gay, or attracted to both sexes. For bisexual women living under the tyranny of sexism, choosing to be lesbian is a liberatory act.

Those of us who grew up in a time and context where there was a political analysis of sexuality were able to make a positive choice to be a lesbian. I believed then, and I believe now, that if bisexual women had an ounce of sexual politics, they would stop sleeping with men.


Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-bindel/where-is-the-politics-in-_b_1589435.html?utm_hp_ref=two
andthelight 13th-Jun-2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
yeah, as a bisexual woman, I'm kind of perplexed by these comments. like I get the kneejerk reaction (and tbh I had one too at first), but the article is thought-provoking, at least.
closetospring 13th-Jun-2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
because people get MAD at the thought of a woman not being sexually available to men. which funnily enough was a point in the article, and one that everyone ignored
andthelight 13th-Jun-2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
basically.
kaymyth 13th-Jun-2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
That's not what people are getting mad about at all. The issue is the implication in the article that if you do choose to be sexually available to men, then you are some kind of traitor to The Cause. It's not outright stated, but it is strongly implied.
closetospring 13th-Jun-2012 06:57 pm (UTC)
that's not it at ALL, really? not even the slightest? then why is that exact part of this article ignored? pressuring lesbians to be available to men is realistically a LITTLE more harmful than a single person saying "hmm maybe it would be better to, if you can, not engage sexually with men," but that's what people choose to be offended at instead. if that's not it at ALL, why are there plenty of places where a lesbian gets told, even by other non-hetero people, that her identity is outdated or oppressive, and bi/pan/queer is better?
andthelight 13th-Jun-2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
oh god, this so much.
softxasxsilence 13th-Jun-2012 07:01 pm (UTC)
why is it that every time people point out that one choice makes a political statement, people who make the other choice come out of the woodwork to cry that they're being shamed and called traitors?

nobody makes the political choice 100% of the time. chill.
spiffynamehere 13th-Jun-2012 07:03 pm (UTC)
Who you're attracted to IS NOT A FUCKING POLITICAL CHOICE.
softxasxsilence 13th-Jun-2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
no it's not, that's why i would never say that a straight woman choosing to have relationships with women is a good idea

but we're not talking about choosing who we're attracted to, we're talking about choosing what attractions we act on. try to keep up
ebay313 13th-Jun-2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, because it's not like bisexual women are hurt by the expectation that women always be sexually available to all men. Nope, all the bi women here are really just upset because we really like being expected to be sexually available to all men all the time -_-
closetospring 13th-Jun-2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
I don't recall ever saying that other women weren't hurt by the expectation, soooooooooooooooooooo....
ebay313 13th-Jun-2012 10:51 pm (UTC)
Oh, so bisexual women just must love being oppressed that's it?
Because you are the one who thinks the only possible reason bisexual women could be upset by this is that we want to maintain the oppressive expectation that all women, including ourselves, be sexually available at all times to all men.
closetospring 13th-Jun-2012 10:53 pm (UTC)
yes, exactly, I'm glad you understand! :)
tinylegacies 14th-Jun-2012 01:54 am (UTC)
no, people get MAD when they are shamed for their sexual choices

as a bisexual woman, it is entirely UP TO ME who I sleep with and fuck you for trying to make me feel guilty if I want to sleep with a man
closetospring 14th-Jun-2012 02:09 am (UTC)
there are a ton of different discussion points in this article, both good and bad. that almost every single person in this post chooses to latch on to THE MEAN LESBIAN WANTS TO FORCE ME TO BE A LESBIAN TOO says a whole lot.
effervescent 14th-Jun-2012 04:56 am (UTC)
Maybe because as bisexual women, we're really tired of other queer people shitting on us. Saying 'blah blah I don't see why bis don't just choose not to sleep with men' is really offensive and putting pressure on us, whether or not you choose to see it that way. I love that the rest of the time we're all 'the person you're hurting gets to define how you're hurting them' but when it comes to this, bisexuals are told to stfu as though the privilege we have means that those who are gay and lesbian can't possibly ever say hurtful stuff to us or put pressure on us to restrict a part of our sexuality.
mollywobbles867 14th-Jun-2012 05:38 am (UTC)
DING DING DING! I love this comment so much. I only encounter this online, though, thank goodness. I had a girl tell me that her friend said she shouldn't date me because I was bi, but since the girl told her friend to stfu, it didn't hurt that bad. It just made what I had seen online more real.
with_club_sauce 14th-Jun-2012 08:49 am (UTC)
AGREE SO HARD WITH THIS COMMENT. You just articulated everything I was thinking perfectly pretty much.
shepaintedfire 14th-Jun-2012 11:29 am (UTC)
BOOM MOTHERFUCKER!

(that means "I agree!" in sleep-deprived speak ;) )
closetospring 14th-Jun-2012 04:05 pm (UTC)
and that emotional hurt is more important than anything else to the exclusion of anything else, apparently
lil_insanity 15th-Jun-2012 12:42 am (UTC)
You worded this really well.
spyral_path 14th-Jun-2012 03:53 pm (UTC)
Actually I'm kind of getting mad at the idea of men not being sexually available to me.
closetospring 14th-Jun-2012 04:03 pm (UTC)
no one is keeping men from being sexually available to you. go wild.
rex_dart 13th-Jun-2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
It's very poorly written and does a bad job of articulating its points. It's unfortunate that the whole thing is pretty much a mess.

But the kneejerk reaction would probably be there either way.
andthelight 13th-Jun-2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Bindel's not the best person to write about this sort of thing, but I think the article's a good starting point. This is a conversation that needs to happen, imo.
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