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Bill Passed In Michigan House Allows Religious Counseling Students To Deny Gay Clients

2:53 pm - 06/15/2012
Julea Ward was dismissed from a counseling program at Eastern Michigan University in 2009 after she refused to counsel a gay student based on her Christian religious beliefs and, according to school officials, declined to work with the university to resolve the issue.

Michigan's House passed a bill Tuesday that would prohibit the state's public universities from taking such action in the future. The bill HB 5040 is being called the "Julea Ward freedom of conscience act" in honor of Ward.

It would forbid public colleges and universities from discriminating against or disciplining students participating in counseling, social work and psychology programs "because the student refuses to counsel or serve a client as to goals, outcomes, or behaviors that conflict with a sincerely held religious belief of the student, if the student refers the client to a counselor who will provide the counseling or services."

While the legislation has gained the support of the Michigan Family Forum and the state's Attorney General, it has also attracted a diverse coalition opposing the bill. Equality Michigan, an LGBT group said on their website that the bill "threatens clients seeking counseling with rejection based on their race, relationship status, and faith, or, yes, because of their sexual orientation" and "sends the message that medical decisions can be based on religious and personal beliefs and not on what’s in the best interest of the patient."

The legislation also has also come under fire from a variety of organizations. The American Civil Liberties Union, The National Organization for Women and state educational institutions and professional groups including The Michigan School of Professional Psychology, the Michigan School Counselor Association, the Michigan Counseling Association, the Council on Social Work Education, the National Association of Social Workers and the Michigan Association of Social, the Presidents' Council of Public Universities of Michigan and Western Michigan University all oppose the measure.

Leigh Greden, director of government and community relations for EMU said the bill would jeopardize the the accreditation of several of Michigan's premier academic institutions, including EMU. An accreditation is special approval given to a learning institution when that school meets certain requirements.

At the time of her dismissal, Ward was participating in a masters degree practicum program in school counseling that was certified by the American Counseling Association. The program requires students to abide by the organization's Code of Ethics, which does not allow practitioners to refuse counsel based on a client's sexual orientation.

Ward sued EMU in 2009, charging that the school violated her constitutional rights. Although she initially lost the case in federal court, she appealed the case with help of attorneys from the Alliance Defense Fund and won a ruling from the U.S. Sixth District Court of Appeals. According to AnnArbor.com, it ruled that a jury might have viewed the university use of the code of ethics "as a pretext for punishing Ward's religious views and speech," and motioned for a retrial with a jury in a lower court.

Greden maintains the university's decision to dismiss Ward from the program was simply a matter of school policy.

"The underlying lawsuit is not about religion and not about homosexuality. It's about the right of university to insist that their students complete their academic assignments," said Greden.

"If this case was about religion and EMU was engaged in discrimination, clearly she wouldn't have done so well in our program," he said to The Huffington Post, noting that Ward was an 'A' student. "She only encountered a problem when she said she wouldn't counsel a client."

Jeremy Tedesco, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, disputes EMU's claims the bill could cause the university to lose its accreditation. He told AnnArbor.com the ACA code of ethics allows for counselor's to make referrals, as Ward did during her practicum -- an argument the ACA's Chief Professional Officer David Kaplan contradicted in written court testimony.

Tedesco said he was happy to hear the news of the state House's recent vote.

"We're encouraged that the elected representatives of Michigan have taken a concern in this case and decided to act," he told AnnArbor.com.

HB 5040 passed the House 59-50 and will now go before the Senate.

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source wonders wtf is up with the Michigan House this week.
rex_dart 15th-Jun-2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
The American Civil Liberties Union, The National Organization for Women and state educational institutions and professional groups including The Michigan School of Professional Psychology, the Michigan School Counselor Association, the Michigan Counseling Association, the Council on Social Work Education, the National Association of Social Workers and the Michigan Association of Social, the Presidents' Council of Public Universities of Michigan and Western Michigan University

the michigan family forum tho
andthelight 15th-Jun-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
ew. people are horrifying me lately.
elobelia 15th-Jun-2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
Why would you want to deny gay clients, even if you're religious? It doesn't make any sense beyond, "because they're assholes." If you're a Christian, and going into counseling, presumably you want to help people.
bestdaywelived 15th-Jun-2012 10:24 pm (UTC)
LOL

No, you only want to help people in the way that you think Jesus would allow - you wouldn't get to criticize the homosexual relationship or homosexuality as a counselor.
crossfire 15th-Jun-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
It's so good to see people protecting straight rights these days, isn't it? Because I mean they're so threatened.
kittymink 16th-Jun-2012 11:52 am (UTC)
SO sick of straight people and especially those so-called "Christians" who are apparently SO obsessed with what other people are doing with their private parts in private. If only they spent as much time like, idk, actually doing good.
schexyschteve 15th-Jun-2012 10:14 pm (UTC)
WTF, Michigan? Knock it off.
sparkindarkness 15th-Jun-2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
Not only is this fucked up discrimination, and no profession of any kind should be allowed to turn away GBLT people, but how do they know their clients are GBLT before the fact?!

The fact remains, counsellors deal with epople at their most vulnerable - including closeted people, people in denial, people struggling to come to terms with their sexuality or gender identity - and they are in an incredible position to do horrendous damage

If you are a bigot you CANNOT CANNOT do this job
thecityofdis 15th-Jun-2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
um excuse you all queer people get rainbow tattoos at the base of their spine upon being inducted into The Society how do you not know this
klmnumbers 15th-Jun-2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
In some way, I almost don't mind this because a counselor who is willing to turn away someone who needs help solely because of their sexual orientation would likely be of no help to that person.

I only worry about areas where people have no other options - i.e. insurance restrictions or small cities.

Edited at 2012-06-15 10:34 pm (UTC)
nikoel 16th-Jun-2012 12:18 am (UTC)
I agree with you though the real bad is that it sets up a precedent for other professionals to deny services to LGBT.
iamrosalita 15th-Jun-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
If you can't put your own shit aside and counsel someone in need, then you might want to change your fucking major because you're not cut out to be a counselor.
sparkindarkness 15th-Jun-2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
Tbh I'm going to say that even if they HAVE this shit - they shouldn't be a counsellor. Even if they can put it aside -no dice, too risky - get out of this profession
star_watcher81 15th-Jun-2012 10:37 pm (UTC)
As a clinical psychology student, I really hope my program would dismiss anyone who did this. I mean, this is one of the basic principles of the field - not discriminating against ANYONE based on sexual orientation, gender, race/ethnicity, etc. Pretty sure it's a violation of the ethical code too, at least in my state.

Edited at 2012-06-15 10:39 pm (UTC)
sesmo 15th-Jun-2012 10:46 pm (UTC)
If this law passes can someone refuse to counsel a potential client because that client has expressed the wrong political views? believes in a different god? is an asshole?
poetic_pixie_13 15th-Jun-2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
Between this and the last post I'm just kind of done with straight people for a while.
crossfire 15th-Jun-2012 11:17 pm (UTC)
Yup, pretty much.
toxic_glory 15th-Jun-2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
Fuck this. I go to a public university and I was terrified to tell the counselor I saw last semester about my sexuality...luckily, she was professional about it and reacted the way any counselor SHOULD react. But I was so afraid, I can't imagine how much worse it would've been if there were a law like that here. It's like they WANT queer people to suffer :/
ebay313 15th-Jun-2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
My undergrad university (a public university) actually had a counselor in their program who sort of specialized in seeing students regarding queer issues. When I went in for services there I was told about this and asked if I wanted to see that person, I said I was fine with another counselor (who happened to be queer too) and at the time I didn't really think anything of it (and was not there for issues directly related to being queer). With this, looking back, I appreciate far more that they specifically had that available.
ebay313 15th-Jun-2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
As a social worker, I find this incredibly disgusting, and horrifying. Especially when I think about a lot of the work I have done in this field- because so much of it has been crisis intervention and emergency services, and work with small non-profits where I was often the only staff available during my shifts- passing someone on to someone else was not an option. And especially not a possibility to be done discretely without making it known to a client and making them feel ashamed. It pisses me off to think of someone working with the sexual assault program at my alma mater who would show up to a hospital when someone came in for a sexual assault exam, and to tell them they can't work with them and help them because they are gay- and if that person is a social work intern (because social work interns where placed there doing this work) then the sexual assault program and school of social work would not have any recourse for getting rid of someone who is ACTIVELY HARMING THEIR CLIENTS! You should not be able to do that and get through a social work program!
tabaqui 16th-Jun-2012 12:07 am (UTC)
Fuck her 'conscience' She has none. She's a disgrace to her profession, and this bill is a disgrace to humanity.

Fuck you, Michigan lawmakers.
toraguru 16th-Jun-2012 12:39 am (UTC)
Why can't people understand what a reasonable limit is on a right? It is reasonably limiting you from harming other people with your freedom. LIKE. THIS.
little_rachael 16th-Jun-2012 01:41 am (UTC)
Ugh, they're even naming the bill after her. like she's done anything to deserve recognition.

You can't be judgmental when you're a counselor. They were right to dismiss her.
cashay 16th-Jun-2012 01:58 am (UTC)
what the hell? I mean seriously? Though honestly I'd rather have my counselor reject me outright then try to show me all the ways my sexualities/believes/whatever is wrong.

But both suck and as a counselor you are supposed to be professional you idiots =/
luminescnece 16th-Jun-2012 02:46 am (UTC)
I'm on the fence about this one. This is a thinkin' comment. ._.

A counsellor that doesn't agree with your lifestyle choice can fuck you up hardcore, even if they think they're dedicated to trying to help you. I'm thinking about polyamory primarily here because that's the thing that's affected my life.

So telling counsellors that they can refuse someone as long as they refer them to someone else might give someone who didn't feel they were able to properly counsel someone because of an internal bias on their part the freedom to find a colleague who was excellent on that subject and refer the person to them.

There is a slippery slope aspect to this that I am uncomfortable with though. Not comfortable with pocs? Go to the 'coloured' therapist. Not comfortable with women? Go to the ladies therapist. I don't think the world needs this much specialization and compartmentalization. Its not accurate to life.

However there are specialized therapists.

Perhaps a better solution; rather than allowing therapists to deny service to individuals they are not comfortable with, if a therapist wishes the right to not counsel someone because of their creed, orientation, or colour, they must declare their bias on their business card, their signs and advertisements, thereafter people and institutions can chose for themselves.

I don't believe a university would chose to hire an employee that would not service a diverse group of students,(If they did, that could easily be made into a fact to be tracked about universities just like student body and amenity statistics) and if all this meant counsellors and therapists would not name their biases, they would not be able to dismiss a client and I believe that if a case could be made by former clients that a therapist/counsellor HAS a bias that they haven't declared, first they should receive some kind of punishment, and second they should not get their license to practice back until they declare and submit proof that they have.

However, I'm a bit of a tyrant and I can already see a bunch of flaws with my plot. People can have their bat shit beliefs all they want, but it can't get in the way of the jobs they're hired to do, and if it does they have to make accommodations for themselves because they're the one with a problem.
ebay313 16th-Jun-2012 03:21 am (UTC)
A few things:

1. This is about students, not counselors who already have degrees. So it's not just about referring people but students who display open bias and discrimination are legally not allowed to be disciplined or removed from a degree program.

2. In some circumstances there may not be an equivalent counselor for someone to be go to. For example, in some small non-profits that have free counseling to those who meet their service eligibility may have only 1 or just a few counselors. So a referral to another counselor may mean being referred to someone who is not free.

3. This is not even specific to counseling. All sorts of social work practice would fall under the wording here. Call a crisis line and it comes out that you are gay and suddenly you are on hold while they find another person to take the call or more likely suddenly you are given a referral to a different crisis line (I've worked with several crisis lines- it's unusual to have more than one person at a time available to take a call.) Or as an example I used above- you are in the hospital and in need of on some type of on call crisis intervention/advocacy services. Someone is called out and arrives and sits down with you, oh your gay? Please wait while we try to call another person to come work with you. Et cetera, et cetera.

I can understand that a person would generally not want someone who has such moral/religious oppositions to them as a long-term counselor, but at the same time this could prevent individuals from getting that counseling at all, or create significant roadblocks and time delays in getting other types of services from a social worker, and can be incredibly upsetting when a person is in crisis and is reminded that even those who are supposed to be there to help them view them soo lowly that they wouldn't help them in a moment of crisis.
bluelarkspur 16th-Jun-2012 04:19 am (UTC)
Being dismissed from the counseling program sounds like it was the perfect resolution for all involved. The woman involved should have had a nice realization that counseling isn't her line of work.

I can't stand any of these ~moral clauses that are sprouting up. If you can't do your job, find a field of work where it's not an issue. I can't believe Republicans get upset about this - the employers of people like this should be able to fire them. Not because they're religious, but because they're shitty employees.

Counseling (unless it's related specifically to a church or something) in particular is a field IMO that you shouldn't go into if you have deep set religious convictions that you need others to share. Because, okay, they get to foist off gay patients (give all people coming in a survey?) but chances are, there are few that they counsel that they will agree with 100%. What if it's an atheist that they're counseling, or someone considering divorce? I honestly don't know what my therapist believed in, because the focus was on my wants and needs, and finding something that made me happy. A counselor who can't even meet with a gay person would be a huge red flag that they're going to be terrible at the job.
thenakedcat Imma just leave this here and then go hate everything for awhile.16th-Jun-2012 07:54 am (UTC)
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