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*TW* Female runner charged with rape.

10:03 pm - 06/16/2012


A FEMALE athlete charged with raping her partner has defended herself against claims she is actually a man.
Indian athlete Pinki Pramanik, who won a gold medal at the 2006 Asian Games, was remanded in custody for 14 days to await trial on allegations that she repeatedly raped her female live-in partner.

"The court magistrate asked the authorities to constitute a medical board for determining the gender of Pinki," Prabir Roy, who heads the police station on the outskirts of Kolkata where Pramanik was arrested, told AFP.
Pramanik, who retired in 2007, declined to take a medical examination at a government-run hospital when she was questioned on Thursday.

"She has brought false charges against me as I refused to give her 300,000 rupees ($5393)," Pramanik told reporters from the back of a police van before the court hearing. "Truth will prevail," she said.

Pramanik on Thursday had said she had undergone numerous medical check-ups during her running career and added, "Why should I agree to more ridiculous tests?"

"Pinki poses as a woman but is actually a man," the victim was quoted as saying in Friday's Calcutta Telegraph. "She would assault me regularly and raped me several times."

She also claimed that Pramanik had promised to marry her.

Pramanik, 26, won gold in the 4x400m relay at the Asian Games and a silver for the same event in the 2006 Commonwealth Games before she stopped competing the following year.

She grew up as the daughter of a poor farmer in rural West Bengal state, about 220 kilometres from Kolkata and has worked as a ticket inspector on the Indian railways.

"My daughter is innocent," Pramanik's mother, Puspa Pramanik, told a Bengali TV channel. "I don't believe that she can do such a crime. I hope she will get the right judgement."

Police said Pramanik, who had lived with her partner in Kolkata for several months, will stand trial for rape, criminal assault, cheating and criminal intimidation.

"We don't know whether it was a case of being male physically or hormonal change over a period of time which can happen," Athletics Federation of India secretary CK Valson told the Press Trust of India news agency. "We have to wait for the medical report and conclusion of the case."

In 2006, Indian athlete Santhi Soundarajan failed a gender test and was stripped of the silver medal she won in the women's 800m at the Asian Games in Doha.

Santhi insisted along with her parents and coaches that she had done nothing wrong.

Gender controversies are often caused by Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH) when females have male physical characteristics or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS), when someone is genetically male but their genitals may appear to be female.
South African athlete Caster Semenya won the women's 800m world championships in 2009 but was then sidelined for 11 months during a probe into her gender.

She was cleared to compete and is a gold medal prospect at the London Olympics.




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tin_foil_hat 16th-Jun-2012 11:20 am (UTC)
...are they suggesting she might be male because she allegedly raped her partner? As if females are incapable of rape?

Edited at 2012-06-16 11:20 am (UTC)
furrygreen 16th-Jun-2012 11:47 am (UTC)
No. Her partner is claiming Pinki Pramanik is really a man and Pramanik has refused to a "check-up". Apparently, another runner tried to pass as a woman and won the silver when it was discovered she was a he and stripped thereby.

Personally, I think it's really fishy that she isn't allowing the check-up.
ebay313 16th-Jun-2012 01:00 pm (UTC)
I really don't understand this. Is her partner claiming she has a penis? Because that is the only way I can see how Pinki Pramanik's biological sex, however that gets defined, is relevant to the rape accusations. Unless her partner is alleging it was PIV rape, it's really not relevant what chromosomes Pinki Pramanik has, or whatever other type of "gender testing" is being proposed.
tinylegacies 16th-Jun-2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
if I'm reading it right, the partner is claiming that Pinki is biologically male and, rape allegations aside, the issue is with a biologically male athlete competing in women's athletics.

there was an article posted here a few weeks back that talked a lot about the issues that come up with how to best incorporate transgender athletes in competitions because there are physiological differences between the sexes that could give trans athletes an unfair advantage but it's also not fair for them to not be able to compete as their actual gender.

the article is really unclear but it would make sense if that is the issue.
ebay313 17th-Jun-2012 04:06 am (UTC)
But that isn't at all relevant to the rape allegations. The article talks about both issues as if they have a connection to each other.
kaelstra 16th-Jun-2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
What the shit is this?
tabaqui 16th-Jun-2012 03:34 pm (UTC)
I find all of this incredibly freaky. Do they just randomly go around genetically testing athletes who 'look too mannish' or something? WTF? Do they get dna swabs from guys with long hair?

I'm just really put off by the idea that *any* athlete in the past or now is being subjected to 'gender tests'.
endlos_schleife 16th-Jun-2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
apparently if you identify as female you are not allowed to look like a man, or you are one.

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/06/athletic-organization-forces-women-with-too-much-muscle-mass-to-undergo-hormone-treatment-to-be-fair/

This article is kind of related to the whole gender issue in athletics, especially in female athletes.
tabaqui 16th-Jun-2012 04:48 pm (UTC)
Gods teeth.
martyfan 16th-Jun-2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
What the FUCK is that article.
lurkch 16th-Jun-2012 07:43 pm (UTC)
That is fucked up. o_O
coraki 16th-Jun-2012 11:39 pm (UTC)
arg. I just...I can't even.

I'm glad I'm a genetic mess and wasn't able to compete in athletics professionally. I build muscles easily and even had a 4-pack 'til about 5 years ago.
hashishinahooka 16th-Jun-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
And why are so many of the WOC?
poetic_pixie_13 16th-Jun-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
I don't see how this story (and this post) won't end up being a clusterfuck of transmisogyny. With a bit of racism mixed in I'm sure cause it's India and you know those brown people are all poor and uncivilized and can't do anything right. There's no need for 'gender testing' (chromosomes and hormones do not a gender make) and just, yeah.

Edited at 2012-06-16 04:19 pm (UTC)
bnmc2005 16th-Jun-2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
It would be nice to hear more about this case from other sources. Something stinks. I don't trust the government officials or the athletic officials in this. it sounds like they're presuming guilt just from the ex-lover's word alone.
belly_savalas 16th-Jun-2012 11:36 pm (UTC)
Leaving aside the fact that sports only seems to care about rape when they might be able to use it to disqualify a woman, why the FUCK shouldn't officials take "the word" of an accuser? That's a fucking gross comment.
oudeteron 16th-Jun-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
"The court magistrate asked the authorities to constitute a medical board for determining the gender of Pinki,"

FUCK YOU

If she did commit rape, then she needs to be treated accordingly (i.e. like a criminal), but also fuck the unnecessary added transphobia and fuck the sports industry for endorsing it. This is so vile.
fm_gatekeeper 16th-Jun-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
Is anyone other than me concerned about the fact that, whatever her biology may be, she may have raped another woman?

And I say this as a trans person. This article is terribly written and there's clearly more going on here than we're being told, but I'm uncomfortable with people dismissing the alleged victim's accusation just because it came with the semi-ridiculous "she's really a man!" accusation as well (which she's obviously not). I guess in general I just want to remind people that trans people are just as capable of committing rape as any other person, and while if she is trans there is undoubtedly tranmisogyny at work at some level here, I don't think that's enough reason to dismiss a possible rape victim's words outright.
oudeteron 16th-Jun-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
I'm just side-eyeing why the gender should be relevant to the case at all, because rape is rape (and the implication that women can't be rapists is also patently harmful). But I think there would be more discussion on the topic if 1) the article had been anywhere near coherent and actually informative on what the issue is, and 2) the comments hadn't become a clusterfuck of derailment with someone white-knighting for said "gender testing". The accusation itself shouldn't be dismissed and it doesn't sound like anyone here is arguing for that...

Oh, and let's not forget that if she did commit rape and she does turn out to be trans*, then that will be used by bigoted fuckheads to demonize all trans women as rapists and "men in disguise".
fm_gatekeeper 16th-Jun-2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, have to say I absolutely agree with you on all points there. I don't know, I guess it just made me uncomfortable seeing most of the comments talking about the gender issues and not so many talking about the rape issue, so I added in one talking about the rape issue because I don't think that should be ignored. But the article itself, to be fair, mostly ignores it, so I guess that's to be expected.
caitiecait 16th-Jun-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
I'm confused here...are they saying that she was born biologically male or is now transitioning from FtM? Or are they saying she may be male because she allegedly raped her partner...? As in women are incapable of rape?

I mean, gender doesn't matter when it comes down to rape...I just don't understand why it was included.

Edited at 2012-06-16 10:01 pm (UTC)
aviv 16th-Jun-2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
I think that they are saying that, according to her DNA or something, she's male. And the rape accusation is a whole 'nother story.

Edited at 2012-06-16 10:18 pm (UTC)
blueboatdreams 16th-Jun-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
Going through this clusterfuck of an issue on gender rights, gender testing, sports culture, sexism, racism, and MORE. I just found this gem: http://dubsism.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/more-proof-dudes-are-better-athletes/

He she Semenya scored its first win since being restored to international competition by the IAAF. The only “female” athlete allowed to compete with “internal” testicles won the 800 meters on Thursday against a field of non-testicled women....

The South African she-male won in a time of 2 minutes, 4.22 seconds..

Semenya was reported to be pleased with his performance, even though he admits he may have been menstruating...


What the actual fuck is wrong with people.
queenbathory 16th-Jun-2012 11:47 pm (UTC)
WOW! What the fuck!
lafinjack 17th-Jun-2012 12:51 am (UTC)
Just say narf.
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