Romney Dodged the Draft
First he didn't "desire" to serve, but didn’t evade it. Then he "longed" to go. The truth: He got four deferments
By Joan Walsh
Mitt Romney changed his story on poverty in St. Louis Thursday. Where in February, during the GOP primary, he said “I’m not concerned about the very poor,” today he called rising poverty rates “a moral failure” – and blamed it on President Obama. But Romney supports Paul Ryan’s budget, which would slash food stamps, Head Start, Medicaid, nutrition programs for pregnant women and their children, and his tax plan would raise taxes on the poor and working class while giving himself an extra $5 million or so. Mitt, you got it right the first time: You’re not concerned about the very poor.
But Romney’s shifting stories on his Vietnam status could have real political consequences, as an Associated Press expose revealing that he sought and got four deferments from military service during the Vietnam War gets more play. It’s not the deferments that will hurt – Dick Cheney got five. It’s the fact that over the years, Romney has lied about it.
AP politely says his story has “evolved,” but tracks the puzzling changes. Running for president in 2007, Romney told the Boston Globe, “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”
But in 1994, running against Ted Kennedy for his Massachusetts Senate seat while in his “I’m not a typical Republican” phase, he admitted “it was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” Fair enough: His father, George Romney, turned against the war, and so did a lot of Republicans (even if party hawks would later try to hang the “loss” of Vietnam on the antiwar left and their Democratic enablers). Indeed, in 1970, at 23, Romney told the Globe, ”If it wasn’t a political blunder to move into Vietnam, I don’t know what is.”
But while telling the truth about his lack of “desire to go off and serve” in 1994, Romney lied again, telling the Boston Herald he didn’t “take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft.” That’s absolutely not true. He got his first deferment while at Stanford University, where in his prep-school prankster phase he counter-protested a Vietnam draft protest. That’s another lie, in a way: While posing as pro-draft and pro-war, he was evading the draft with an “activity in study” deferment. After his freshman year, he got deferment status as “a minister of religion or divinity student,” which he’d keep while working in France as a missionary for his Mormon church.
Yet the AP reveals that other young Mormons were denied that deferment. And since the church itself strongly supported the war, its leaders eventually limited such deferments, but Romney kept his.
After his religious deferment, he got another academic deferment to finish school. By the time he was draft eligible, troop numbers were declining, and his lottery number was never called.
As Rachel Maddow noted last night, this story got eclipsed by post-Wisconsin coverage, but Romney’s dissembling here, all captured in newspapers in real time, should be a real problem for him. Especially since he’s getting the old George W. Bush band back together and backing the Bush-Cheney neocon foreign policy that never saw a war it didn’t like. His campaign refused to comment on the AP story. Let’s see if Romney has to answer for his Vietnam deceit in the days to come.
I talked about the story on MSNBC’s “Bashir Live” today. As a bonus, you can see me tell Bashir I can’t answer a question, when he asks me why veterans are supporting Romney over Obama 66-34 percent. I started to BS, and then decided to keep a promise to myself that I won’t make things up when I really don’t know the truth. A little cringe-making, but better than faking it.
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OP: I apologize if this has already been posted. I searched and couldn't find it, but good lord knows I'm not the most observant person. Let me know if I need more tags.
First he didn't "desire" to serve, but didn’t evade it. Then he "longed" to go. The truth: He got four deferments
By Joan Walsh
Mitt Romney changed his story on poverty in St. Louis Thursday. Where in February, during the GOP primary, he said “I’m not concerned about the very poor,” today he called rising poverty rates “a moral failure” – and blamed it on President Obama. But Romney supports Paul Ryan’s budget, which would slash food stamps, Head Start, Medicaid, nutrition programs for pregnant women and their children, and his tax plan would raise taxes on the poor and working class while giving himself an extra $5 million or so. Mitt, you got it right the first time: You’re not concerned about the very poor.
But Romney’s shifting stories on his Vietnam status could have real political consequences, as an Associated Press expose revealing that he sought and got four deferments from military service during the Vietnam War gets more play. It’s not the deferments that will hurt – Dick Cheney got five. It’s the fact that over the years, Romney has lied about it.
AP politely says his story has “evolved,” but tracks the puzzling changes. Running for president in 2007, Romney told the Boston Globe, “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”
But in 1994, running against Ted Kennedy for his Massachusetts Senate seat while in his “I’m not a typical Republican” phase, he admitted “it was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” Fair enough: His father, George Romney, turned against the war, and so did a lot of Republicans (even if party hawks would later try to hang the “loss” of Vietnam on the antiwar left and their Democratic enablers). Indeed, in 1970, at 23, Romney told the Globe, ”If it wasn’t a political blunder to move into Vietnam, I don’t know what is.”
But while telling the truth about his lack of “desire to go off and serve” in 1994, Romney lied again, telling the Boston Herald he didn’t “take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft.” That’s absolutely not true. He got his first deferment while at Stanford University, where in his prep-school prankster phase he counter-protested a Vietnam draft protest. That’s another lie, in a way: While posing as pro-draft and pro-war, he was evading the draft with an “activity in study” deferment. After his freshman year, he got deferment status as “a minister of religion or divinity student,” which he’d keep while working in France as a missionary for his Mormon church.
Yet the AP reveals that other young Mormons were denied that deferment. And since the church itself strongly supported the war, its leaders eventually limited such deferments, but Romney kept his.
After his religious deferment, he got another academic deferment to finish school. By the time he was draft eligible, troop numbers were declining, and his lottery number was never called.
As Rachel Maddow noted last night, this story got eclipsed by post-Wisconsin coverage, but Romney’s dissembling here, all captured in newspapers in real time, should be a real problem for him. Especially since he’s getting the old George W. Bush band back together and backing the Bush-Cheney neocon foreign policy that never saw a war it didn’t like. His campaign refused to comment on the AP story. Let’s see if Romney has to answer for his Vietnam deceit in the days to come.
I talked about the story on MSNBC’s “Bashir Live” today. As a bonus, you can see me tell Bashir I can’t answer a question, when he asks me why veterans are supporting Romney over Obama 66-34 percent. I started to BS, and then decided to keep a promise to myself that I won’t make things up when I really don’t know the truth. A little cringe-making, but better than faking it.
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OP: I apologize if this has already been posted. I searched and couldn't find it, but good lord knows I'm not the most observant person. Let me know if I need more tags.
I present to you, THE ROMBO! (only not really because I can't do anything but link to the page on TG)
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-appare
Edited at 2012-06-16 08:40 pm (UTC)
The man's lied/backtracked/misled, on every thing. Its fairly clear he's saying what he thinks whatever group wants to hear.
( I guess I also recall his missionary work wasn't this cold water flat drudgery he sold it to be, at all. An embellishment, again)
One of these days we're going to find out he thinks the trees in Michigan are not the right height at all.
Edited at 2012-06-18 06:27 am (UTC)
I also don't have a problem with people avoiding the draft while supporting the war.
I do have a problem with Mitt Romney avoiding the draft while supporting the SAME DRAFT.
*grrrrr*
can you explain this part to me? asking sincerely: it seems counterintuitive, so i'd like to understand.
As such, whether I believe a war is necessary or not doesn't really have much bearing on my feelings on the draft.
"I wanted to go," my fucking pasty white ass, Romney. IF YOU'D WANTED TO, YOU COULD HAVE VOLUNTEERED. NO ONE WAS STOPPING YOU FROM ENLISTING. But no, you sat on your fucking ass at school, and then in FRANCE, and are now trying to say that oh my god i feel so bad I didn't go.
You know what? My grandpa says the same thing about World War II, because he couldn't go. But he got a 4F because he got hit in the flu epidemic that hit right after he was born. So, you know, HE ACTUALLY COULDN'T GO. He watched his brothers and his friends sign up and do their duty to their country, and it bothers him to this day (he's 94) that he couldn't serve. Do not even ATTEMPT to fucking put your goddamn pissy-ass, out of touch, Richie Rich, spoiled bratty bullying piece of shit self in the same fucking company as my grandfather, because you're not fucking fit to shine his goddamn shoes.
What I have a problem with is someone claiming he supported the war and the draft wholeheartly while at the same time taking every deferment he could get his hands on to avoid going and then later saying, "Baaawwwww, I SO wish I could have gone, waaaaahhhhh."
The first would be an example of moral integrity. The second would be an example of flaming ginormous hypocrisy. And that = Mittens.
Get a spine, Romney.
And honestly, if someone thinks fighting in a war is that important, they would accomplish much more in terms of getting people enlisted if they instead did the full patriotic song-and-dance routine of some serious balls-to-the-wall military-and-veterans-support activities. If somebody's always putting together care packages to send overseas, or collecting donations for something, or coordinating projects for schoolkids to write letters to soldiers, or driving veterans to and from VA appointments, then they can support the draft all they want. In anyone sitting on their safe ass and a couple deferments, it's the mark of an asshole. Anyone who supports the draft and doesn't want to be that asshole? Start being the kind of selfless, patriotic home-front supporter that people want to join up to make them proud.
Instead we've got wars declared by rich people, while the military is made up disproportionately of the poor. And if we don't have a running draft at present (people are registered, but names are not being called), we do have a system with high poverty, high unemployment, and high student loans, which taints the opportunity of military service with being an antidote to a poison supplied by the same source.
Mitt Romney was a rich kid privileged to be able to sit out of the war. He was a hypocrite who financed his support for the war with other people's blood. And he was a selfish shithole who actively supported a draft system which forced other people into a major death risk from which he had arranged his own safety. The first means he's out of touch; the second indicates he's less than fair; the third suggests an ethical bankruptcy that is utterly incompatible with the responsibilities of the office for which he's running.
The society and its origins are very interesting as it involved a removal from power of the financial industry which is relevant to the current problems with the economy, and also the complete reversal of our celeb-obsessed, little-privacy culture now. Lots of discussion of how an economy works that's not dependent on poverty as a goad to get all the necessary work done.
IIRC, it was not published until recently, long after a whole host of Exceptional Libertarian Man (or Woman) stories which he's better known for, though this book has still got hints of Exceptional Man and the sexism of the time in which it was written.
But he's still a sleaze for lying about it several times.
Avoiding something so deeply unpleasant as being forced into military service, exile from one's family, and probable death: completely reasonable, full steam ahead. Doing so while actively campaigning to get other people trapped into doing exactly that? Grade-A choice select asshole.
I have a lot of issues with the military and if there ever is a forced draft I would freak the fuck out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhaw
Why is my brain coming up with Hunger Games analogies?