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Ron Paul admits he's on Social Security

12:41 pm - 06/20/2012
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) may rail against Social Security insolvency in the public eye, but that hasn't stopped him from accepting the government checks.

The libertarian-leaning Republican and former presidential candidate admitted Wednesday that he accepts Social Security checks just minutes after he called for younger generations to wean themselves off the program, in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn't to cut," he said.

The Huffington Post's Sam Stein then asked Paul, "A bit of a personal question -- Are you on Social Security? Do you get social security checks?"

Paul admitted he does, stating, "[It's] just as I use the post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the federal reserve system. But that doesn't mean that you can't work to remove this in the same way on Social Security."

Paul also said he still pays more into Social Security than he gets in his checks.

Paul is outspoken about the need to end government programs like the Federal Reserve and the departments of energy and education. But he said he would not eliminate programs like Social Security and Medicare, despite his belief that the programs are unconstitutional. He planned to allow citizens under the age of 25 to opt out of the system in order to save their own money for retirement, if elected to the presidency.

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Edited to save my inbox. D:
mercystars 20th-Jun-2012 08:02 pm (UTC)
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citiesburning 20th-Jun-2012 10:42 pm (UTC)
I saw this while I was at work, and had to contain that reaction from happening.
shukivengeance 20th-Jun-2012 08:04 pm (UTC)
"despite his belief that the programs are unconstitutional."

Funny how that doesn't stop him from taking the money though!
furrygreen 20th-Jun-2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
They never refuse. XD
sparkindarkness 20th-Jun-2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
Ah, the eternal anthem of politicians

"Do as I say, not as I do."
spaz_own_joo 20th-Jun-2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
I know there will be lots of delicious schadenfreude and "ha, ironic lol is ironic" on this post, but I'm gonna go ahead and commit ontd_p suicide and say it's not actually hypocritical for him to accept benefits while working politically to cut them.

The reasoning runs parallel to those "well if you think things deserve tax funding you should just donate money out of your own pocket and hope that's enough" people. Him turning down his checks won't put even a minor dent in the budget, it will just put him at an economic disadvantage vs people who accept them.

i mean, he's stupid and wrong and terrible for wanting to axe benefits but I think it's a low blow to shame him for accepting them personally.
thecityofdis 20th-Jun-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
"well if you think things deserve tax funding you should just donate money out of your own pocket and hope that's enough"

except that's him

that is literally what he believes

so yes, it makes him a huge hypocrite without even factoring in his $174,000 Congressional salary.
korppi_ravn 20th-Jun-2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
Educate a Norwegian, what's so bad about Social Security..? I just read on wikipedia that [...]Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 40 percent of all Americans age 65 or older out of poverty.

That sounds like a good thing to me.
lady_grace 20th-Jun-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
SOSHULISM
lollycunt 20th-Jun-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
He paid into it, whether he agrees with it or not. Why shouldn't be try to re-coup some of his losses? I'm sure if he had it his way, he'd have been happy saving that money himself and not having it taken and (partly) given back to him by the government.
13chapters 20th-Jun-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
I cannot understand why people are so against social security. It makes no fucking sense to me. Without social security, my parents might have lost their house a couple years ago (the recession hit my dad hard and they were really struggling, but then they turned 62 and things are a lot better for them now). Without social security, my bubbe, who had a stroke several years ago, wouldn't be able to be in assisted care. They paid into this system their entire lives and now they are getting some benefits. How would things be better for anyone if my parents and my bubbe were on the street? Their lives are not a fucking thought experiment.
skellington1 20th-Jun-2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
In his rosy view of the world, Ron Paul imagines that your parents would have been able to save everything they paid into social security, invest it, and be better off than they are now. Obviously this handily ignores things like the difficulty of saving money, the low rate of return on most investments, and giant frickin' recessions.

And, technically, he doesn't want your parents lives to be a thought experiment! He wants YOUR life to be! His theme seems to be "leave everything in place for people of his generation, screw everyone stupid enough to be born after 1940." (It's our fault. Poor planning, y'know).
erunamiryene 20th-Jun-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
Gosh, Ron Paul is a total hypocrite. Color me shocked.

Oh, wait.
mirhanda 20th-Jun-2012 08:37 pm (UTC)
Right because what America needs now is more starving elderly citizens.
skellington1 20th-Jun-2012 08:38 pm (UTC)
Well, you put them on an ice flow, and then...

Oh, wait. We don't have as many of those anymore.
crossfire 20th-Jun-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
~ideologically consistent~
carmy_w 20th-Jun-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Ok, I just flat-out cannot stand Ron Paul.

Now, that said:

My biggest side-eye on the article is his statement that he pays more into SS than he receives every year. Frankly, I won't believe him, until I see his tax return.
IF he's still getting earned income (and from what?? Is he still practicing?), the most he could be contributing is in the vicinity of $14,643 ($110,100 X 13.3**%=$14,643.30). The highest possible SS check is $2513, which is calculated by using $110,100 in earnings from age 21 to (I'm guessing, because the article doesn't say) age 65 1/2.
But even if he only earns $14,643, that's $1220.25 per month gross, which is 49% of the maximum. I don't think his checks are that small, frankly.

** I used SS and Medicare totaled into a single figure, as it is calculated on the tax return.
miss_almost 20th-Jun-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
hes still getting a 174,000 Congressional salary
popehippo 20th-Jun-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
"FUCK THEM, I GOT MINE"

"Yeah, but your whole platform is about--"

"WHAT'D I JUST SAY."
et_tu_lulu 21st-Jun-2012 08:37 am (UTC)
This is exactly what I said when I read this!
poetic_pixie_13 20th-Jun-2012 11:41 pm (UTC)


Well Ron Paul worked hard for that money, y'all. Unlike those poor people who are lazy and often brown and black and therefore don't do anything and have too many children and and and boostraps.
kishmet 21st-Jun-2012 12:07 am (UTC)
"[It's] just as I use the post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the federal reserve system. But that doesn't mean that you can't work to remove this in the same way on Social Security."

why

if you want to get rid of these things

would you use them

Oh wait because they're convenient, useful, and mostly irreplaceable! And you have no valid proposals for a way to replace them apart from the magic of the free market! Ron Paul, just go the fuck away, your beliefs are those of an upper class teenage white boy who should've outgrown libertarianism like a decade ago
milleniumrex 21st-Jun-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
Ron Paul is ridiculous, as always. But...he's had to pay into it his whole life, no matter what he believes. For all practical purposes, this is his money that the government makes him put away for his retirement. So I don't think it's hypocritical for him to take it back.

Still, he is Ron Paul and I totally endorse anyone laughing at him.
homasse 21st-Jun-2012 01:20 am (UTC)
Oh.
tabaqui 21st-Jun-2012 02:09 am (UTC)
Jesus fuck, i cannot stand him and his bullshite. He has this insane, rosy 'vision' for the future that is simply unworkable and quite terrifying and yet he just...does not...get it. Blech.
fm_gatekeeper 21st-Jun-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
Growing up in a heavily Libertarian household with my dad as one of the better known Libertarian political activists, I had Ron-Paul-is-Jesus syndrome for most of my teenagerhood.

Yeah. Not anymore, thank fucking god.

I'm really, really sickened that I used to worship such privileged hypocrisy, and I'm not just talking about Ron Paul--99.9% of Libertarians are that way, and it's just... insufferable. I am getting really tired of hearing about their ~revolution~; maybe now they'll shut up for a while.
hinoema 21st-Jun-2012 04:14 am (UTC)
If Paul wants to receive SS, fine. I just don't want him standing there with a check in one hand and a letter opener in the other while telling everyone else how bad the program is and how it needs to go, or how we should feel bad and choose not to accept checks like he is.

Don't like it, don't participate, otherwise he needs to accept that he's a hypocrite.
zemi_chan To those who fail to see the hypocrisy in this...21st-Jun-2012 11:59 am (UTC)
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mrasaki 21st-Jun-2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
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