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My daughter occasionally goes on a hugging and kissing strike.

She's 4. Her parents could get a hug or a kiss, but many people who know her cannot, at least right now. And I won't make her.

"I would like you to hug Grandma, but I won't make you do it," I told her recently.

"I don't have to?" she asked, cuddling up to me at bedtime, confirming the facts to be sure.

No, she doesn't have to. And just to be clear, there is no passive-aggressive, conditional, manipulative nonsense behind my statement. I mean what I say. She doesn't have to hug or kiss anyone just because I say so, not even me. I will not override my own child's currently strong instincts to back off from touching someone who she chooses not to touch.

I figure her body is actually hers, not mine.




It doesn't belong to her parents, preschool teacher, dance teacher or soccer coach. While she must treat people with respect, she doesn't have to offer physical affection to please them. And the earlier she learns ownership of herself and responsibility for her body, the better for her.

The trial of Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football coach accused of sexually abusing young boys, has only strengthened my resolve to teach my kid that it's OK to say no to an adult who lays a hand on her -- even a seemingly friendly hand.

"When we force children to submit to unwanted affection in order not to offend a relative or hurt a friend's feelings, we teach them that their bodies do not really belong to them because they have to push aside their own feelings about what feels right to them," said Irene van der Zande, co-founder and executive director of Kidpower Teenpower Fullpower International, a nonprofit specializing in teaching personal safety and violence prevention. "This leads to children getting sexually abused, teen girls submitting to sexual behavior so 'he'll like me' and kids enduring bullying because everyone is 'having fun.' "

Protection against predators

Forcing children to touch people when they don't want to leaves them vulnerable to sexual abusers, most of whom are people known to the children they abuse, according to Ursula Wagner, a mental health clinician with the FamilyWorks program at Heartland Alliance in Chicago. None of the child victims of sexual abuse or assault she's counseled was attacked by strangers, she said.

Sometimes a child picks up on something odd about your brother-in-law that no one knows. It may not be that he's a sexual predator. He may just have no sense of boundaries or tickle too much, which can be torture for a person who doesn't like it. Or he may be a predator.

"It sends a message that there are certain situations [when] it's not up to them what they do with their bodies," said Wagner. "If they are obligated to be affectionate even if they don't want to, it makes them vulnerable to sexual abuse later on."

Why wait until there's trouble? Parenting coach Sharon Silver worked hard to cultivate her children's detector. Silver says her sons easily pick up on subtle clues that suggest something isn't quite right about particular people or situations.

In your child's case, it may be that something's off about Aunt Linda or the music teacher down the street.

"It's something inside of you that tells you when something is wrong," said Silver. Training your child to pay attention to those instincts may protect him or her in the future.

Having sex to please someone else

Would you want your daughter to have sex with her boyfriend simply to make him happy? Parents who justify ordering their children to kiss grandma might say, "It's different."

No, it's not, according to author Jennifer Lehr, who blogs about her parenting style. Ordering children to kiss or hug an adult they don't want to touch teaches them to use their body to please you or someone else in authority or, really, anyone.

"The message a child gets is that not only is another person's emotional state their responsibility but that they must also sacrifice their own bodies to buoy another's ego or satisfy their desire for love or affection," said Lehr.


"Certainly no parent would wish for their teenager or adult child to feel pressure to reciprocate unwanted sexual advances, yet many teach their children at a young age that it's their job to use their bodies to make others happy," she said.

We can't be rude

You might think my daughter's shiftless parents are not teaching her manners, but that's not true. She will shake your hand in greeting or give you a high-five when we're saying goodbye. She knows how to set the table and place a napkin in her lap. She even has me saying a little all-inclusive blessing she brought home from school.

We've trained her to say please and thank you so often that she'll say it back to me when I ask her anything. "What did you say?" I sometimes ask her when I didn't hear her. "Please?" she'll answer. No, I meant what did she actually say? (Maybe we're overdoing it.)

She has to be polite when greeting people, whether she knows them or not. When family and friends greet us, I give her the option of "a hug or a high-five." Since she's been watching adults greet each other with a handshake, she sometimes offers that option. We talk about high-fives so often she's started using them to meet anyone, which can make the start of any social occasion look like a touchdown celebration.

"When kids are really little and shy, parents can start to offer them choices for treating people with respect and care," said van der Zande. "By age 6 or 7, even shy kids can shake somebody's hand or wave or do something to communicate respect and care. Manners -- treating people with respect and care -- is different than demanding physical displays of affection."

It creates more work

Refusing to order her to hand out hugs or kisses on demand means there's more work to keep the relationships going and keep feelings from being hurt. Most of our extended family live far away, so it's my job to teach my kiddo about people she doesn't see on a daily basis.

We make sure to keep in contact with calls and Skype and presents. In advance of loved ones' visits, which usually means an all-day plane ride, I talk a lot about how we're related to our guests, what they mean to me and what we're going to do when they arrive. I give them plenty of opportunity to interact with her so she can learn to trust them.

I explain to relatives who want to know why we're letting her decide who she touches. And when she does hug them, the joy is palpable. Not from obligation or a direct order from Mom.

And while I hope I'm teaching my child how to take care of herself in the future, there are benefits to allowing her to express affection in her own way and on her own timeline. When my child cuddled up to my mother on the sofa recently, happily talking to her about stories and socks and toes and other things, my mother's face lit up. She knew it was real.


Source.

chaya 20th-Jun-2012 11:24 pm (UTC)
I strongly support the values this mom is teaching her kid, and 90% of what's being said, but I feel like some of the quotes are saying that teaching a kid to push aside their own personal desires on hugging/not hugging/etc leads to sexual abuse... and really, the sexual abuser brings about the sexual abuse, not the kid who doesn't know how to explicitly deny interest in the contact. If I ever spawn I will likely try to teach my kid what this mom is teaching hers, but not so that my kid doesn't bring about/become responsible for potential abuse, but because it's right and it might help them defend against abuse or advances that are never, ever their fault.
minaloush 20th-Jun-2012 11:40 pm (UTC)
No, I don't think she's saying it leads to abuse - I think she was saying it leads to believing the abuse is acceptable or something they should tolerate.
kishmet 20th-Jun-2012 11:40 pm (UTC)
Hmm well I 100% agree that kids shouldn't be forced into physical contact with anyone when they're not comfortable with it - I was totally outgoing when I was little but my younger sibs just weren't, and jfc the effort my parents had to go through so some of the extended relatives wouldn't just swoop in and hug them and make them cry

At the same time it's bizarre how many relatives/friends/whoever do think they're entitled to kids' bodies in one way or the other, and that attitude also needs to be eliminated completely. Okay, whatever, grandparents want a hug but no one is entitled to physical contact with another person, point blank. It sucks that kids have to deliberately be taught this just so they know they can avoid hugs or kisses or w/e from overbearing adults, when it's the adults who usually don't freaking ask

Also agree with the comment above that this isn't gonna prevent abuse. This woman's doing a great thing for her daughter that'll probably give the kid more confidence throughout her life, but in the end a lot of people (not just child victims of abuse) aren't gonna react perfectly when some asshole does something that inappropriate to them. It's the abusers' behavior and a lot of the culture surrounding abuse that has to change to make the biggest difference.
moonbrightnites 21st-Jun-2012 12:28 am (UTC)
At the same time it's bizarre how many relatives/friends/whoever do think they're entitled to kids' bodies in one way or the other, and that attitude also needs to be eliminated completely.

Absolutely agreed. Children are people, not things they have some "right" to.
anolinde 20th-Jun-2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
As someone who hates hugging, it pisses me off so much when random people give me crap about it. Like, stfu, why does it bother you that I don't like hugging random fucking people? Or even my friends? Why is physical contact so necessary for you? (Not you, OP, but general "you.")

Most of my friends don't understand why I don't want to hug them. They're all like, "But what are you going to do when you get a boyfriend???" and then they get all confused when I tell them that I wouldn't mind hugging a boyfriend - that I have different boundaries for different groups of people. They just don't fucking get it, and it's so frustrating.
kaowolfie 20th-Jun-2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
Ugh, tell me about it. My husband I can usually touch just fine, but everyone else should feel lucky to get a handshake. I don't like being touched, I've never liked being touched, and I hate that *I'm* the rude one if I say "Stop touching me."

Thankfully, I'm usually pretty good at not having enough fucks to give about being thought rude because I told someone to stop grabbing me or touching my shoulder. :P
wldrose 21st-Jun-2012 12:22 am (UTC)
I am doing this with my stepgranddaughter. I have been one of her grandparents since she was 1.5 and I have allways said "I would like to hug you may I" most of the time its ok sometimes its not, and thats alright.

I would love a cuddly kid but she isnt but its her life and as the adult I have to know her boundary and respect them.
moonbrightnites 21st-Jun-2012 12:27 am (UTC)
Oh, this is so timely, as I'm about to take my five-year-old to visit in-laws who firmly believe that children should be compelled to hug strangers distant relatives that they don't even know.

While I have some problems with this article (see: the fucked-up sexual abuse stuff that was discussed above because OMG, it is not up the CHILD to not be abused) I absolutely agree that children shouldn't be required to submit to affection they don't want. If my daughter doesn't want to hug you, I'm sure as hell not going to order her to do so. If you want her love and affection, earn it.
per_simmon 21st-Jun-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
Damn, this hits a sensitive spot for me. It took my Mom so long to figure out personal physical boundaries, and that it wasn't a personal insult to her when I didn't, for the sake of example, want my butt pinched by her at age 15. "I used to wipe it so I get to pinch it" is not reasonable by any means, jesus god. She's really good now, but when I raise my kids boundaries are going to be paramount.
bethan_b_bad 21st-Jun-2012 12:49 am (UTC)
Oh my god ewwwww *twitchtwitchtwitch*

I love hugs and give 'em out like they're sweets, but anyone - ANYONE - who tried to pinch my bum would get a shrieking, cussing hissyfit from me.

Why would you do that I cannot even
cupcake_dream88 21st-Jun-2012 12:50 am (UTC)
Excellent. Wish my parents did that....
leprofessional 21st-Jun-2012 01:05 am (UTC)
Mixed feelings-- I'm not a fan of this conflation. There is a huge difference between social expectations meant to reinforce bonds, and social expectations meant to disempower a person. Because you train kids to say please and thank you, hold doors for people etc. does that mean you are teaching them to be subservient and use their bodies for others?

Also kids aren't stupid, when we went for visit my great-grandmother was 98 years old and her kisses were sloppy (and combined with her wrinklyness) and made me uncomfortable but at the age of 5 I realized that was entirely different from some creepy family member trying to kiss me inappropriately. It's important to communicate with kids, make sure they communicate with you (is this okay? is this not okay?) Also the point she brings about trust-- people you trust a lot can do a lot of damage and harm-- and almost always do more than complete strangers. Again, that's why in my opinion communication is even more important than arbitrary 'trust' lines.

Different cultures have different expectations of personal boundaries, and touch as a part of socialization-- with of course, set times, and set contexts-- and if you don't hug/kiss family members or in some cases complete strangers-- you are essentially withdrawing yourself from the socialization process.

I have to be honest, the our obsession with 'personal space' (stretching 1 meter outwards) is not the norm or usual in many places I've visited around the world-- and I'm increasingly becoming convinced that maybe there is something to it-- something that has caused various cultures to develop touch (handshakes, kiss on the cheek, kiss on the forhead, kiss on the nose, hugs, etc.) as part of the socialization process.

And I say this as someone who is totally hermetic, and would love to sit in front of a computer and never see people. But realizes that's not very healthy.
chaya 21st-Jun-2012 01:31 am (UTC)
I realized that was entirely different from some creepy family member trying to kiss me inappropriately

But would you say that that's the norm for kids? Or that all kids of a very young age can discern a difference between uncomfortable kisses they have to put up with and Bad Touches they have to put up with?
romp 21st-Jun-2012 01:26 am (UTC)
When I hooked up with my wife and gained a toddler stepson, I'd never heard of this idea. I just assumed all children were asked to endure hugs and kisses from people who are, to them, strangers. She let me know why she didn't enforce that and I agree with it. As a survivor of sexual abuse, she consciously parented to make sure our kids knew they didn't have to be uncomfortable with an adult in order to please the adult.

That said, it's not like you don't encourage hugs and warm greetings--you just don't demand or coerce the child to do it.
tigerdreams 21st-Jun-2012 01:57 am (UTC)
Good on this mom. Physical affection should never be obligatory or forced. I'm 28 fucking years old, and it was only earlier this year that I managed to drill it into my father's head that no, I don't feel comfortable kissing family, so no you do not have the right to demand a kiss goodbye before I am allowed to escape you. I don't kiss relatives that I like, and I can barely stand my father. But throughout my childhood and well into my adulthood, he thought he had the right to demand physical affection that it was obvious I did not want to bestow or receive. I fully endorse what this mother is teaching her child about how her body and physical contact do not belong to anyone else.
chaya 21st-Jun-2012 02:31 am (UTC)
And the fact that you say 'escape' - and I'm not criticizing your word choice, I'm pointing it out because I know several people that select the same word choice when describing the same situation - is very telling. One can literally feel trapped into pushing down their walls of comfort before they can leave the situation and that sucks.
pleasure_past cool story, sis21st-Jun-2012 02:02 am (UTC)
Thank you for posting this. I was in the reverse position on Father's Day, which is to say that my four-year-old niece didn't want to hug me and my little brother (her other uncle, not her father) goodbye when we left. I didn't really percieve anything malicious in it; maybe she was a little angry because I told her I'd play in the yard with her when I was done playing with her brother inside and I ended up not having time to do so, but I wasn't insulted that she didn't want to hug me. She's four. I did, however, playfully chase her around and hug her anyway, and I've been kind of feeling weird about that and thinking that maybe I shouldn't have done that, and this article helped me see why. I will definitely handle this situation differently if it comes up again.
chaya Re: cool story, sis21st-Jun-2012 02:34 am (UTC)
Fwiw, I think it's awesome that you analyzed your behavior and came to the conclusion you did. I know lots of adults that use kids/their child relatives as Cuddle Recipients, willing or unwilling, and it's often dehumanizing and weird how they do not care if the kid wants cuddles.
effervescent 21st-Jun-2012 02:38 am (UTC)
I have issues with the idea that forcing a child to kiss or hug someone they don't want to kiss or hug will 'lead' to sexual abuse - simply because no, that's not what leads to sexual abuse. Predators preying on children is what leads to sexual abuse.

What it can potentially lead to is children who are confused about what is good touching vs bad touching, and when and with who they have the right to say 'no', and considering how high the rates of sexual abuse among family members are, that's dangerous. I definitely support the idea of teaching kids to trust their feelings and not making them do anything they don't want to do.
thelilyqueen 21st-Jun-2012 04:48 am (UTC)
You summed it up well. A kid who has been taught that their body is theirs can certainly still be abused, but they might be more likely to recognize that what was done to them was wrong, not their fault, seek help, etc. than one who hasn't, and thus be more resilient under the trauma.
angry_chick 21st-Jun-2012 03:09 am (UTC)
Forcing a child to hug or kiss someone isn't what leads to sexual abuse. However, people need to understand that children are not to be told to ignore how they feel just to be nice to insecure adults. Some people don't like to be touched. Accept it and move on.

You do not make children respectful by telling them that other random adults have more agency over their bodies than the child in question. The adults need to learn how to get over it. That's part of adulthood, is it not?
effervescent 21st-Jun-2012 05:54 am (UTC)
+1

I'm a bit surprised by how defensive some people are on this post of ~social norms~... What's wrong with just asking your child to be polite, rather than making them kiss or hug someone?
premor 21st-Jun-2012 05:10 am (UTC)
Would you want your daughter to have sex with her boyfriend simply to make him happy? Parents who justify ordering their children to kiss grandma might say, "It's different."

That's because it fucking is! Semi-ritualised greetings, uncomfortable as they may be, are hardly like coerced sex, wtf.
alierakieron 21st-Jun-2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
No, but beginning by breaking down children's sense of boundaries ARE part of the same sliding scale that lead to young adults having difficulty understanding their own instincts and sense of personal and bodily autonomy.
lizzy_someone 21st-Jun-2012 07:11 am (UTC)
From the way people are carrying on, you'd think "I don't force my daughter to engage in intimate touching without her consent" were the same as "I'm raising a feral little wolf-child who will grow up snarling and biting people and running around naked and shitting on the floor throughout adulthood." (Not disputing that the article has the occasional quote that's worded very poorly indeed, but the main point of cultivating children's -- especially girls' -- awareness of bodily autonomy and the right to say no is pretty simple.)
moonshaz 21st-Jun-2012 10:12 pm (UTC)
This.
poisondusk 21st-Jun-2012 12:47 pm (UTC)
The 'leads to abuse' section is definitely poorly worded, but I think there's a lot of value in the general spirit of the article.

I have social anxiety and have never liked being touched, and although I've learned to cope with it better now, as a teen I found physical contact so distressing that I would panic, lash out at people and cry when someone touched me. Most of my family thought I was just being ~rebellious~ and told me I had to do it anyway. Even now, when I'm upset about something I'm pressured to offer my family members a hug, and if I don't they guilt-trip me about it, because I'm hurting them by not making them feel better about the fact that I'm crying or something. And my father always complains that I don't try hard enough to get the things I want, that I burn out and give up too soon.

It may not lead directly to being abused, but I think it plays into socialising people (particularly those from minority groups) to please others at the cost of their own comfort, which is a very difficult mindset to escape and can cause problems in all sorts of different areas of a person's life.
cpsings4him 21st-Jun-2012 02:18 pm (UTC)
While I don't agree that children being encouraged to hug/touch/kiss people "leads" to abuse, as someone who was, as a little girl, heavily coerced to, "give Daddy Joe a kiss", I must say, this article really hit home with me. My mother at that time, did not, of course, know that, "Daddy Joe" (my step-father) was sexually molesting me any chance he got. I feel ill. :-/
iolarah TW: SA21st-Jun-2012 03:14 pm (UTC)
This article reminded me of something I hadn't thought of in years. I stayed with a relative by marriage when I was about ten, and he was aggressive about tickling me, to a point where I was in tears because he wouldn't stop, and the other adults that were around were laughing, thinking it was all in good fun. Meanwhile, I felt really violated. I didn't know this person, I wasn't comfortable with him touching me, and the fact that they were encouraging me to play along ("shut up and take it" was how it felt to me) really did remove my agency. While I know a lot of people are disagreeing with the idea that forced contact leads to abuse, I do think it sets kids up to feel powerless in the face of unwanted contact. A year later, I was sexually assaulted by my babysitter's friend, and I blamed myself for it for years, because I didn't feel I could say no or stop, and so surely I must have wanted it then.

If I have a child, I'll likely follow this woman's example: "You don't have to touch or be touched by anyone you don't want to, but you do need to be polite."
moonshaz 21st-Jun-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
Tbqh, I think people are getting kind of tripped up by the poor wording of the "leads to children getting sexually abused" quote and maybe missing the *spirit* of what she was trying to convey. The quote was VERY poorly phrased, but I would be quite shocked if victim-blaming was truly what she intended to convey.

There has actually been a lot written for quite a number of years now to the effect that forcing children to submit to unwanted hugs and other undesired body contact may leave them more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by sexual predators. I don't have a source for this advice, but it was definitely around it as long ago as the 80s, when I was raising my own toddler--and carefully following said advice--so it's nothing new.

Should van der Zande have used the words she used? No. And I really hate that this lady phrased things so clumsily--because it's a distraction from the otherwise sound advice this article contains.

Edited at 2012-06-21 10:29 pm (UTC)
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