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Mississippi to be Abortion Free......

2:40 pm - 06/30/2012
Mississippi could soon become the only state without an abortion clinic because of a new law taking effect this weekend. Critics say the law would force women to drive hours across the state line to obtain a constitutionally protected procedure, or could even force some to carry unwanted pregnancies to term.

Top officials, including the governor, say limiting the number of abortions is exactly what they have in mind.

Republican Gov. Phil Bryant frequently says he wants Mississippi to be "abortion-free."



"If it closes that clinic, then so be it," Bryant said as in April as he signed the law, which takes effect Sunday.

Abortion rights supporters have sued, asking a judge to temporarily block the law from taking effect. So far, that hasn't happened.

The law requires anyone performing abortions at the state's only clinic to be an OB-GYN with privileges to admit patients to a local hospital. Such privileges can be difficult to obtain, and the clinic contends the mandate is designed to put it out of business. A clinic spokeswoman, Betty Thompson, has said the two physicians who do abortions there are OB-GYNs who travel from other states.

Michelle Movahed of the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights is one of the attorneys representing the Mississippi clinic in its federal lawsuit. She said in an interview Friday that several states – including Mississippi, Kansas and Oklahoma – have tried in the past two or three years to chip away at access to abortion.

"One of the things that has really been surprising about Mississippi is how open the legislators and elected officials have been about their intentions," Movahed said. "They're not even pretending it's about public safety. They're openly saying they're using this law to try to shut down the last abortion provider in the state."

The lawsuit by the clinic, Jackson Women's Health Organization, notes that Republican Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves says on his website that the new abortion law "not only protects the health of the mother but should close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi."

Religious-affiliated hospitals might not grant admitting privileges to those who perform elective abortions, while other hospitals might not grant them to out-of-state physicians who travel to Jackson to work at the clinic. As of Friday, the final business day before the new law kicks in Sunday, physicians working at the clinic had applied for the admitting privileges but hadn't received them.

The clinic says in the lawsuit that the admitting privileges are not medically necessary. It says complications from abortion are rare, and it notes that under previous state law, it already had an agreement with a Jackson physician who didn't do abortions but has admitting privileges and would help any clinic patient, if needed. Bryant and legislators who pushed the new law said they believe it will be safer for a woman who develops complications if the same doctor who does an abortion at a clinic can accompany her to a hospital rather than handing her case over to another physician.

State attorneys defending the law said in court documents that "the immediate concern that the clinic may be closed on July 1 is ill-founded." They cited administrative procedures the state Health Department uses in activating new laws.

Health Department inspectors intend to examine the clinic Monday to see if it is complying with the new law, a department spokeswoman said. If the clinic is not in compliance – which the clinic itself acknowledges will likely be the case – it would have 10 days to file a plan to correct its shortcomings. Then, an administrative hearing would be held at least 30 days later, and there could be an unspecified time allowed for an appeal.

The Jackson clinic sits a few miles north of the state Capitol, in a trendy neighborhood with upscale restaurants and vintage clothing stores. The nondescript building, with fading mauve paint, sits on a small hill on one of Jackson's busiest streets. A black vinyl tarp is attached to the fence leading from a parking lot to the patients' entrance, blocking most of the view from a public sidewalk where people gather several times a week to pray and protest.

Outside the clinic one day last week, at least a dozen people from a local Nazarene church sang hymns, read aloud from the Bible and prayed for an end to abortion. Among them was 51-year-old Patricia Frazier, who lives in the Jackson suburb of Clinton. Looking through an opening in the black tarp, Frazier spoke to a man who was standing by the clinic entrance. He had brought a woman to there for the counseling that state law requires at least 24 hours before an abortion can be done.

"You need me to help you with your friend?" Frazier asked over the fence.

The man, 30-year-old Girard Shirley of Jackson, smiled and slowly shook his head.

"Nah," Shirley said. "To be honest with you, I don't even know if the baby's mine, anyway."

Frazier showed Shirley a brown rubber model of a fetus at about 12 weeks' development – about the length of a grown woman's index finger. Shirley said he'd never given much thought to how that might look.

"Let her know we're here to help her – her and her baby," Frazier said.

Shirley listened and said, "Yeah, I'll talk to her."

"This is all about money. They want your money," Frazier said, nodding toward the clinic. "This help is free."

In an interview moments later, away from the people who were praying, Shirley said he had driven his friend to the clinic because she needed help and he needed gasoline money. Would he be willing to drive her out of state for an abortion if there were no clinic in Mississippi?

"I probably would take her," he said. He paused, then added: "No, I wouldn't. I got bad tires and stuff."

Two days later, Shirley said the woman he had driven to the clinic had stuck with her decision to have an abortion.

The state Health Department website shows 2,297 abortions, listed as "induced terminations," were performed in Mississippi in 2010, the most recent year for which statistics were available. The vast majority of those – 2,251 – were performed on Mississippi residents. The site does not specify how many were done at the clinic and how many in other offices or hospitals.

Mississippi physicians who perform fewer than 10 abortions a month can avoid having their offices regulated as an abortion clinic, and thus avoid restrictions in the new law. The Health Department said it doesn't have a record of how many physicians perform fewer than 10 abortions a month. Clinic operators say almost all the abortions in the state are done in their building.

The clinic says if it closes, most women would have to go out of state to terminate a pregnancy – something that could create financial problems for people in one of the poorest states in the nation. From Jackson, it's about a 200-mile drive to clinics in New Orleans; Mobile, Ala.; or Memphis, Tenn.

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atomic_joe2 30th-Jun-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
Or they could be exposed to dangerous unlicenced abortions. It would be like going back to the 19th century in effect. Is THIS what they want?!
sweetnessarose 30th-Jun-2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I came in here to say that Mississippi will NEVER be abortion free- it will just be free of LEGAL abortions and a lot more women getting VERY sick because of back alley abortions.
angelus7988 30th-Jun-2012 07:43 pm (UTC)
I've always wondered at what point these efforts to restrict abortion will run into Roe v. Wade, though I shudder to think what would happen if abortion was brought before the current Supreme Court.
thenakedcat 1st-Jul-2012 02:39 am (UTC)
Me too. Although who knows, maybe Roberts will unexpectedly locate a second tidbit of conscience.
myrrhmade 30th-Jun-2012 07:45 pm (UTC)
UGH
dancingspiral 30th-Jun-2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
Everything about this makes me rage.

Also, fuck this so much: "This is all about money. They want your money," Frazier said, nodding toward the clinic. "This help is free."
beoweasel 30th-Jun-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
Yes, because we know just how much cash the 'Abortion Industry' is rolling in.

Also, what help are they giving? Are they going to pay the doctors when the woman gives birth? Will they pay for the child's food? Will they help raise the child, when the mother is unable to do so?
andthelight 30th-Jun-2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
Well, this is pretty horrifying.
layweed 30th-Jun-2012 07:57 pm (UTC)
And.......I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free
fenris_lorsrai 30th-Jun-2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
Mississippi physicians who perform fewer than 10 abortions a month can avoid having their offices regulated as an abortion clinic, and thus avoid restrictions in the new law. The Health Department said it doesn't have a record of how many physicians perform fewer than 10 abortions a month. Clinic operators say almost all the abortions in the state are done in their building.

So regulations will get rid of the MOST experienced doctors but allow the least experienced ones to go unregulated? Is this Opposite Land logic?

wait, wait, no there are no logic involved. silly me.
moonshaz 30th-Jun-2012 11:21 pm (UTC)
No logic allowed there in the "great" state of Mississippi. Just slut-shaming and rampant ILL-logic.
tabaqui 30th-Jun-2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
Gods, *fuck them*. And how can it be legal to do that? It's like making rules so there's no post office in your state. It's a FEDERAL LAW that abortion is legal and available.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARR!!
twowaymirrrors 30th-Jun-2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
"This is all about money. They want your money," Frazier said, nodding toward the clinic. "This help is free."

Oh? So, if you manage to convince someone who cannot afford to have a baby to skip the abortion are you going to be paying for said baby? No? Then shut the fuck up.
moonbladem 30th-Jun-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
Oh? So, if you manage to convince someone who cannot afford to have a baby to skip the abortion are you going to be paying for said baby? No? Then shut the fuck up.

My thoughts exactly!
atheistkathleen 30th-Jun-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
well my guess is the number of single mother families on welfare will go up
beoweasel 30th-Jun-2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
Until the Republicans gain more seats in Congress and repeal the social safety nets. They've been wanting to get rid of welfare for years.
moonbladem 30th-Jun-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
So... it's back to the sharp end of a clothes hanger now? Or nasty, unsanitized, back alley abortions? Women bleeding to death when a wound gets septic? How is this progress?

And how can people moan, bitch and complain that the ACA means the death of freedom in this country, but taking away a woman's right to make decisions about her healthcare doesn't sound a death knell for freedom?
romp 30th-Jun-2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
I wish people could drop the shame and talk about whom we've lost to illegal abortions, especially before the older generations and their stories die off. It would make this real and about loved ones rather than a political football.
romp 30th-Jun-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
So this would result in more women dying because they can't afford to get to another state. The fact that Ron Paul supports each state deciding this issue and poor women be damned is what finally made me realize how anti-choice he is.

koshkabegemot 30th-Jun-2012 09:20 pm (UTC)
Fuck these guys.
yamamanama 30th-Jun-2012 09:27 pm (UTC)
Mississippi, find yourself another country to be part of.
iamduvet 30th-Jun-2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
This is disgusting and utterly thoughtless. How can they live with themselves? How can they treat women like this and sleep well at night?!
I would like to believe people like this have Karma bite them in the ass extremely hardcore one day.
moonbladem 30th-Jun-2012 10:12 pm (UTC)
I'm curious... doesn't this go against Roe vs Wade? Can the federal government sue Mississippi to stop this? How many other states have also outlawed abortion?
bellichka 30th-Jun-2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
If I'm understanding it correctly, they're not outlawing abortion, just making it essentially impossible to perform one in the state. So they're within Federal legal parameters (as they haven't outlawed it), but are exercising states' rights in terms of legislating and regulating it.
kuraddohikari 1st-Jul-2012 12:18 am (UTC)
D:
There's also the fact that so many women have trouble getting to another state for abortions due to what are usually monetary reasons. I remember watching a documentary in school and one girl was commenting how she didn't have money to get a bus, she had no driver's license/car, she simply had no means to go out of state for an abortion.
kyra_neko_rei 1st-Jul-2012 01:16 am (UTC)
It would be interesting if the conservative legislators all got flooded with calls from women asking for help with transportation to a clinic.

I'd almost suggest putting a sort of shuttle service together, but that would be dangerous to everyone because there's no means of telling who's sincere in either direction---dangerous pro-lifers could impersonate either the people giving rides or the people seeking rides, and attack or abduct or tie up their time or whatever.
cellared 1st-Jul-2012 01:08 am (UTC)
Can't wait to see more poor women dying of infection from illegal methods, then.

Fuck everything.
spyral_path 1st-Jul-2012 01:08 am (UTC)
This is why "states rights" is a bad idea.
kyra_neko_rei 1st-Jul-2012 01:18 am (UTC)
Somebody brings up "states' rights," I always respond, "what about people's rights?"

The state is not a person. Nobody should be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term because abortions make Mississippi cry.
kyra_neko_rei 1st-Jul-2012 01:32 am (UTC)
I wonder---if the limit is just on how many abortions the physicians individually perform per month, is there any chance of drumming up a rotation of physicians to come in to the clinic one day per month, perform ten abortions, and hand the tools over to the next doctor?
iolarah 1st-Jul-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
I like this idea. Nobody's breaking the law, just taking advantage of a loophole, and making sure women can still get the care they need.
jaeji 1st-Jul-2012 04:17 am (UTC)
fucking no-brainers.
violetrose 1st-Jul-2012 05:14 am (UTC)
We should make all antis and those on the fence watch this video.

ETA for whatever reason the video is not embedding, so I'll just link to it.

http://archive.org/details/when_abortion_was_illegal

Edited at 2012-07-01 05:16 am (UTC)
iolarah 1st-Jul-2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you posted that. I think it's important for people to be able to put faces to the stories.

This is another good documentary about it: http://documentaryheaven.com/12th-and-delaware/
a_lovesuicide 2nd-Jul-2012 09:39 pm (UTC)
I hate my state.

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