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Gov. Rick Scott: "We won’t implement Obamacare"

12:43 am - 07/01/2012

Florida Gov. Rick Scott now says Florida will do nothing to comply with President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul and will not expand its Medicaid program. The announcement is a marked changed after the governor recently said he would follow the law if it were upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.

“Florida is not going to implement Obamacare. We are not going to expand Medicaid and we’re not going to implement exchanges,” Scott’s spokesman Lane Wright told The Associated Press on Saturday. Wright stressed that the governor would work to make sure the law is repealed.

Scott told Fox News the Medicaid expansion would cost Florida taxpayers $1.9 billion a year, but it’s unclear how he arrived at that figure.


Scott said the state will not expand the Medicaid program in order to lower the number of uninsured residents, nor will Florida set up a state-run health exchange, a marketplace where people who need insurance policies could shop for them.

“We care about having a health care safety net for the vulnerable Floridians, but this is an expansion that just doesn’t make any sense,” he told Fox host Greta Van Susteren on Friday.

Scott has gone back and forth on the issue after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Congress cannot withhold federal Medicaid funding from states that opt out of a requirement in the overhaul to expand coverage to those just above the poverty line.

On the day of the ruling Scott was cautious about the expansion, saying he wanted to read the ruling first. Then during an interview Friday morning on a Jacksonville radio station, Scott said it was unlikely he would go along with the expansion because of the potential cost to the state.

But the governor told the Tampa Bay Times later in the day that he was still evaluating the ruling and would come up with a plan within a few weeks.

Scott was vague when asked in the Fox News interview whether he’s been in talks with other Republican governors about how to respond going forward.

“Everyone I’ve spoken to is doing the same thing,” Scott said, but when pressed for specific names, he only referenced what the governors of Louisiana, Texas and Wisconsin have said in the past. His spokesman told AP he could not confirm what conversations Scott has had with other governors on the issue.

Scott, the former CEO of a hospital chain, has been a vocal critic of the health care overhaul from the start. He made his first foray into politics by forming a group called Conservatives for Patients’ Rights that ran television ads criticizing the proposal before it was adopted by Congress.

Scott has also complained about the growing cost of Medicaid, the $21 billion safety net program that primarily aids the poor but also picks up nursing home bills for senior citizens. The governor backed a push by the Republican-controlled Legislature to shift Medicaid patients into managed care programs, a move that is still awaiting federal approval.

Scott has rejected federal money in the past, most notably $2.4 billion for high speed rail. His administration has also said no to some money attached to the Affordable Care Act.

But Scott has said yes to money associated with the federal stimulus program and he has changed some of the positions he advocated during his run for governor. Scott also must weigh the politics of saying no to Medicaid because of tight budgets, while it is likely he will continue to push for substantial tax cuts between now and his re-election campaign in 2014.

According to Census data released last year, Florida had the nation’s third-highest rate of residents without health insurance during the past three years.

President Obama’s health care law called for states in 2014 to expand Medicaid eligibility to those making up to 133 percent of the poverty level, or $29,326 for a family of four. While estimates vary, the Florida Agency for Health Care Administration has concluded that as many as 1.95 million more people would join Medicaid and other state-subsidized health insurance programs over the next five years.

Most of the cost, running into the billions, would be absorbed by the federal government. The Medicaid expansion would not cost the state anything until 2017 — although AHCA estimates that changes to other state-subsidized programs would require state money starting in 2014. AHCA estimates that the overall cost to the state would be $2.4 billion between 2013 and 2018 with the federal government picking up nearly $26 billion.

But other groups analyzing the potential changes contend that state officials have “hyper-inflated” the potential costs because they assume too many people will enroll.

The ultimate choice, however, won’t be Scott’s alone. It will also be decided by the Legislature.

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OP: WHY??  WHY WHY WHY??  Can states really do this?
etherealtsuki 1st-Jul-2012 06:54 am (UTC)
He can't dismiss a federal mandate in that they HAVE to accept Obamacare and there's nothing their little State Legislature can do about it without suffering major setback like a blockade of money from the Fed for essential things like school, infrastructure, the like.

They most they can do is to reject the Medicaid Expansion aid since SCOTUS said that was optional for the states.

And I lol'd heartily that that bullshit number. Isn't Florida like 1/2 eldery citizens that already depend on Medicare? It's all REAL LIFE TOUGH GUY bullshit.
pleasure_past 1st-Jul-2012 08:03 am (UTC)
Federal money for the education of our children?! That sounds like SOSHULIZM! It must be eliminated, right along with the health care for our children and our elderly. GOD THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE FREE MARKET WILL PROVIDE. If parents really wanted their kids to be educated, they'd find the money for private school.
moonshaz 1st-Jul-2012 07:34 am (UTC)
moonbladem 1st-Jul-2012 01:00 pm (UTC)
I had no idea those two were related!!! And to Freddy too!
atomic_joe2 1st-Jul-2012 09:10 am (UTC)
Its funny how people don't mind spending trillions on defence and on things that KILL PEOPLE but when something comes along that might actually help people they go crazy.

They also describe themselves as Christians too. I went to Catholic schools. We didn't read all of the Bible but I'm sure I didn't see the bit where Jesus said to the lepers 'I'll heal you...but it'll cost you your house'.

pleasure_past 1st-Jul-2012 10:58 pm (UTC)
Well, yes, but the government shouldn't be forcing people to follow Christian rules about charity!

*five seconds later*

WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION! THE GOVERNMENT MUST FORCE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW CHRISTIAN RULES ABOUT MARRIAGE AND WOMEN'S BODIES.
wicked_seraph 1st-Jul-2012 10:41 am (UTC)
WOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE OLD PEOPLE OR POOR PEOPLE LIVE IN FLORIDA AMIRITE?

This is also the same dickbag who rejected shit for a high speed rail THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF A FUCKING EXCELLENT IDEA.

/Floridian whose desire to move grows stronger every day
perthro 1st-Jul-2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
Well, duh. Us poor people are refusing to work so we can take all the drugs Mexico can offer! I'd love to comment more, but I have to get back to trying to have as many kids as possible so I can storm the welfare office by force with my newly-raised army.
hourglasscreate 1st-Jul-2012 11:25 am (UTC)
Well I guess that's one way to get those good for nothing poor people to move away.
amyura 1st-Jul-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
Who'd do all the landscaping and table service and housekeeping in Disney World and the expensive assisted-living communities, then?
maladaptive 1st-Jul-2012 12:10 pm (UTC)
I will sue you personally to make you follow the federal law. What kind of hubris does it take to think you can deny an entire state the benefit of healthcare?

Or... hey, is that grounds for impeachment?

Edited at 2012-07-01 12:12 pm (UTC)
purple01_prose 2nd-Jul-2012 07:32 pm (UTC)
Ooh, someone look into that please.
phamos818 1st-Jul-2012 12:45 pm (UTC)
Walker said the same thing here in Wisconsin.
doverz 1st-Jul-2012 12:59 pm (UTC)
Yep, and then the AG told him he had to.
aviv_b 1st-Jul-2012 12:49 pm (UTC)
Hey, the selfish part of me says, "fine, more for poor folks in my state."

The part that realizes that people in Florida shouldn't get short-changed is screaming, "Wake up Floridians, this is how much your governor cares about you. He's willing to deny you health care to make political points."
ferriludant It'll take more than that.1st-Jul-2012 04:10 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid this isn't even close to enough to wake them up.

If leading Republican/RightWing voices can get away with saying that they *hope* the president's policies fail, or with saying that their *only* priority is getting him defeated, or with literally holding the nation hostage (damaging our credit rating in the process), what can't they get away with?
moonbladem 1st-Jul-2012 12:59 pm (UTC)
Isn't this the same guy who's been purging voter records in Florida but says it's not 'purging'?
amyura 1st-Jul-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
Yup.
intrikate88 1st-Jul-2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
Clearly it didn't. It's like he's going for Worst CEO Award and he's not even a corporate executive anymore.
iamrosalita 1st-Jul-2012 02:12 pm (UTC)
The Medicaid expansion is optional; however, if Florida doesn't implement the insurance exchange within a certain amount of time (I can't remember the time frame), the Feds will step in and do it for them. In that case, I'm sure Rick Scott will be OUTRAGED that the federal government is meddling in the affairs of the sovereign state of Florida or some such nonsense.

Edited at 2012-07-01 02:12 pm (UTC)
beuk 1st-Jul-2012 05:17 pm (UTC)
I think I heard on my local news that the exchange has to be set up by the first of Jan., 2013. Apparently Idaho (my state) is looking to follow the example of Utah, which has already set up the exchange, or is on its way to having it set up.
amyura 1st-Jul-2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
but it’s unclear how he arrived at that figure.

Sounds like he gets his stats from the same place Barney Stinson does.
molkat 1st-Jul-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
So happy to have a sane governor. We're more than happy to take any federal funding and as a result plans to expand to our light rail system that originally weren't going to happen until 2020 were moved up and all our old, questionable bridges are being replaced. Fuck yeah infrastructure improvements.
koshkabegemot 1st-Jul-2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
Republicans don't give a shit about poor people, news at 11.
mirhanda 1st-Jul-2012 03:53 pm (UTC)
Republicans don't give a shit about poor anyone but rich people, news at 11.

FTFY
wikilobbying 1st-Jul-2012 03:54 pm (UTC)
Scott, the former CEO of a hospital chain, has been a vocal critic of the health care overhaul from the start.

which is super fucking funny considering columbia/hca's hard-on for committing acts of fraud and scott's refusal to take any responsibility for any of it.

sorry scott, but your crooked self shouldn't be talking to anybody about health care and what's best for the people in this state, and you damn sure need to stop talking like you have the real authority here.
poisoncity 1st-Jul-2012 03:55 pm (UTC)
I hate this guy.

*bitter Floridian*

No, but seriously: I really hope my plans remain intact and I can GTFO this state by next Feb.
familiardevil 3rd-Jul-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
I am right there with you bb ): He puts flames on the side of my face like no other
archanglrobriel 1st-Jul-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)
Doesn't that amount to a de facto secession? I mean standing up and saying "We refuse to obey Federal law" is what that ends up being right? A sort of "only kinda sorta" still under the United States umbrella?
kyra_neko_rei 1st-Jul-2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
but it’s unclear how he arrived at that figure.

Laxatives?
shoujokakumei 1st-Jul-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
I do have a feeling that his ass is probably jealous of all the shit that comes out of his mouth.
roseofjuly 1st-Jul-2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
Scott told Fox News the Medicaid expansion would cost Florida taxpayers $1.9 billion a year, but it’s unclear how he arrived at that figure.

Even if that is the case, it will probably also save taxpayers millions in unpaid medical bills, higher worker productivity, fewer sick days, and fewer minor health issues blowing up into major ones because of lack of preventative or early care.

But anyway, I don't think that the state of Florida can just decide not to follow federal law - especially now that the Supreme Court has ruled it constitutional. They have no other recourse than to hope Congress repeals it.

And honestly? <$30,000 is still really, really low for a family of 4 to be able to afford health insurance. It's kind of disgusting that there is anyone in this country against expanding Medicaid to cover families that make that little and have to stretch it across 4 people.
loud99 2nd-Jul-2012 07:09 am (UTC)
I hate this guy. What he's done/doing to this state is deplorable. And the sad thing? Floridians will re-elect him despite the damage he's done.

autumnleaving 2nd-Jul-2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
what the hell? that's so sad, bb. :( i really don't understand why they hate it so much. i can read every snark, analysis, etc. done over the PPACA but honestly the cop out reasons are there.

i mean... i know that i'll be footing the bill for "moochers" or people who are too lazy to work. those are their concerns, right? but what if we don't care? what if I don't care because it means that whatever privileges are given to the moochers, those privileges will be handed out to me too. and not just them and myself, but also to my family and friends. everyone will be able to take advantage of those as well. and helping out someone is not a burden at all. they just don't want to foot the bill for others' health but their own, is what it's sounding like.

those other European countries with national healthcare coverage... they have a great idea to invest in their people. my hope is that Americans whose viewpoint is to "care about what's theirs and fuck everyone else" will have a change of mind and heart someday.

sorry for the tl;dr, this article annoyed the crap out of me when i first read it.
dragonhawker 2nd-Jul-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
"We care about having a health care safety net for the vulnerable Floridians, but this is an expansion that just doesn’t make any sense, we don't want to actually have to do anything about it." fixed that for you

'care' is free, after all!

Edited at 2012-07-02 06:31 pm (UTC)
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