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Man, 22, who died from dehydration in hospital rang police for a drink of water

10:09 am - 07/03/2012
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Kane Gorny's mum Rita Cronin told an inquest into her son's death that when the police turned up at St George's Hospital, Tooting, they were turned away by doctors and she was repeatedly ignored by staff when she begged for help for her son.

Giving evidence at the first day of a four-day inquest, she revealed how she received a distressed phone call from her son the day after his operation, in which he revealed he had called the police because he was so desperate for a drink.

The inquest heard Ms Cronin immediately went to the hospital, where Kane was "confused and angry," shouting at staff and behaving in an uncharacteristic abusive manner.

Despite expressing her concerns that he was not behaving normally, one doctor asked if he was "coming off booze" and another asked if he was "always like this."

Kane, who had been a keen footballer and runner until he suffered a brain tumour the previous year, was undergoing a routine hip replacement after life-saving steroids he had been given had weakened his bones.

Due to his condition, he needed hormone medication to control fluid levels in his body, but despite repeated reminders by Kane and his family, staff failed to give him the tablets.

He became severely dehydrated but his requests for water were refused and he died on May 28 2009.

After his death, while Kane's family held his lifeless body, they were asked by a nurse whether they had "finished" and could she "bag him up now,"
the hearing at Westminster Coroner's Court was told.

A coroner had such grave concerns about the case she referred it to the police.

Mrs Cronin told the hearing: "He sounded really, really distressed. He said 'they won't give me anything to drink.'

"He also said 'I've called the police.' He said: 'I've called the police you better get here quickly, they're all standing around the bed getting their stories straight.'"

Ms Cronin added: "They weren't doing anything. They seemed out of their depth. It felt to me like the two locum doctors were nervous about calling anyone more senior than them, I would have expected them to do that."

The inquest heard Kane was restrained by security guards and sedated with strong medication to calm him down.

Later, he was put into a side room, where no one visited him for the rest of the evening.


Realising he couldn't have been given his night-time medication, Ms Cronin asked a nurse when he would be receiving his dose. The nurse promised to flag it up with the night nurse.

But the next day when Ms Cronin arrived at the hospital at 7.45am, she found her son looking "delirious" with swollen lips and tongue.

She told the inquest: "He was lying on the bed on his back. His lips were very swollen and his tongue was swollen. He just looked delirious.

"At that moment three nurses were standing outside the room. I said 'there's something wrong with my son'.

"The night nurse said 'he's had a good night and there's nothing wrong with him.'

"I said: 'He's not well' and the other nurse tutted and said 'She's already told you he had a good night,' and with that they walked off."


It was then Ms Cronin noticed Kane's tablets sitting on the table by his bed.

Ms Cronin said she then approached the locum doctor, who reassured her everything was fine and it "wouldn't do him any harm" to miss a dose of his medication.

Unsure what to do to get someone to look at her son, she approached another more senior doctor as he was carrying out ward rounds, the inquest heard.

Ms Cronin said: "He took one look at him and started to call everyone to come in here quickly.

"It suddenly dawned on me he hasn't had his medication, hasn't had his bloods done, nobody's given him a drink, nobody's bothered to put his drip back on him. Nobody's done anything since he became aggressive."

Kane's family were left outside the room while doctors tried desperately to save his life.

Following his death from dehydration, they were asked to help move his body so a nurse could put a clean sheet under his lifeless body.

Later a nurse asked them "Have you finished seeing your son yet? Can I bag him up now?" the inquest was told.

The death certificate said Mr Gorny had died because of a 'water deficit' and 'hypernatraemia' - a medical term for dehydration.


It sparked a Serious Untoward Incident investigation at the hospital and was referred to the police by the coroner.

The hearing has been adjourned and will resume next week.
sweetnessarose 3rd-Jul-2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
..I have no other words to say other than WTF OMG
tinylegacies 3rd-Jul-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are no other words because DAMN.
iolarah 3rd-Jul-2012 05:03 pm (UTC)
"Can I bag him up now?" Holy shit. If anybody had said that to me when my mom died, I would have lost my mind. That poor woman. What a senseless death.
shoujokakumei 3rd-Jul-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
Seriously, if anyone said that to me when I was dealing with a death, there would have been a second death. What kind of person would even think to say such a thing? Ugh.
iolarah 3rd-Jul-2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
Someone who's sorely lacking in sympathy.
mirhanda 3rd-Jul-2012 10:34 pm (UTC)
I think if I had been that mom, there would be a toothless "nurse"* shortly thereafter.

(I say "nurse" because that inhuman monster doesn't deserve the title.)
jaded110 8th-Jul-2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
I'd have punched them straight in the mouth. They would have had to DRAG ME OUT kicking and screaming.
aviv_b 3rd-Jul-2012 05:05 pm (UTC)
Holy shit! That poor man. That poor family.
atomic_joe2 3rd-Jul-2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
This is really quite astonishing, so tragic. The NHS is not perfect but this is a complete failure of the staff at the hospital. I hope the locum is never allowed near a hospital again.
jettakd 3rd-Jul-2012 05:16 pm (UTC)
This is horrifying :( That poor man and his poor family.
sarah531 3rd-Jul-2012 05:17 pm (UTC)
This is disgusting, completely disgusting, and I'm so angry. God knows what I would be thinking if I was the mother, but they'd probably need a lot more bags by the time I was done.
kalikahuntress 3rd-Jul-2012 06:50 pm (UTC)
My thinking exactly, I am so fucking angry and sad for the loss of this man's life and what the family went through.
kitanabychoice 3rd-Jul-2012 05:33 pm (UTC)
I can't think past the mantra of "what the fuck" playing in my head. this is just gross negligence. :|
kaelstra 3rd-Jul-2012 05:40 pm (UTC)
Oh my god, that poor man, his poor family. :( He needed something so simple to live, too.
heartbreakangel 3rd-Jul-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
"Can I bag him up now?" I'll take Things You Never Say to an Immediately Grieving Parent for $1,000, Alex. What the actual fuck. I'll be totally honest on this one. They would've likely needed to call security up to drag me off of that nurse.

There's absolutely no excuse for someone to die of dehydration in a hospital. None at all.
crossfire 3rd-Jul-2012 06:36 pm (UTC)
RIGHT? Talk about an insensitive thing to say to someone.

And dying of dehydration is very very unpleasant, I'm told. That poor man.
heartbreakangel 3rd-Jul-2012 07:38 pm (UTC)
Yep. I've seen some medical professionals with receding empathy, but this just blows it all right out of the water.
crossfire 3rd-Jul-2012 07:39 pm (UTC)
"Receding empathy." Excellent phrase for the phenomenon.
mirhanda 3rd-Jul-2012 10:35 pm (UTC)
There's absolutely no excuse for someone to die of dehydration in a hospital. None at all.

This. I hope there are firings and jail terms all around.
laja_89 4th-Jul-2012 01:59 am (UTC)
Agreed.
thecityofdis 3rd-Jul-2012 06:09 pm (UTC)
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ
anjak_j 3rd-Jul-2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
* has flashbacks to having to call my mother to bring me my medication in from home after the hospital forgot about it repeatedly *

For someone of his age to die of dehydration due to medical negligence after winning the battle with a brain tumour... senseless... tragic... a complete fucking abomination. This should NEVER happen in any hospital, EVER. No fucking excuse at all. Each and every member of staff that was party to this should be struck off as medical practitioners and then be dropped in the middle of the Sahara without water.

As to the "Can I bag him up now?" comment... just... honestly, there are no words to adequately render my anger and complete disgust for the nurse who said that.
asrana 3rd-Jul-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
* has flashbacks to having to call my mother to bring me my medication in from home after the hospital forgot about it repeatedly * yup. This is why I'm adamant that whenever anyone in my family (biological or chosen) has to go into hospital, they're accompanied by someone who has at least some medical knowledge/background/experience. And then we wit there and double check EVERYTHING.
coraki 4th-Jul-2012 03:07 am (UTC)
MTE to everything you said here. It wasn't like an accidental dosage due to misreading to doctors chicken scratches (which bad on it's own). This was intentional, gross negligence. Ignoring his pleas for help! IN A HOSPITAL!

I'm terrified of being in a hospital long term due to my medical needs. Most doctors aren't familiar with it. I have to take my medicine to help regulate the phosphate through my kidneys along with the concentrated vitamin I need. If I don't take it. My entire body gets screwed up.
luchador_kaiju 3rd-Jul-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
I'm tearing up. How awful.
kayaiem 3rd-Jul-2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
"Excuse me, could someone come in here with another body bag please? There's another dead person in here. I believe it's an accidental death with plenty of excuses for it that I would consider legit."
cecilia_weasley 3rd-Jul-2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
I... what is this? :(
cupcake_dream88 3rd-Jul-2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
I hope they get sued hardcore. Almost sounds like an incident that happened with my mom
thelastpen 3rd-Jul-2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
I can't even grasp how such gross negligence could have occurred, but... can someone tell me what a "locum doctor" is? I've never heard the term and honestly it sounds like an insult reading it without knowing what it is.
witherwings 3rd-Jul-2012 07:34 pm (UTC)
A locum doctor is someone who fills in - it's like a temp, but for doctoring :)

So if there's a vacancy for a doctor then several "locums" will fill the post temporarily until a permanent person is appointed. Though TBH it sounds like they're using "locum" where they mean "junior" (our junior doctors=your interns).
thelastpen 3rd-Jul-2012 07:39 pm (UTC)
Really? Huh, I never would have thought of a "temp doctor". Sounds like a bad idea for some reason, though I'm sure it works. Probably just my unfamiliarity. :)

Are you sure juniors are the equivalent of interns? I'd think they'd be more like residents. Or well, looking into it, apparently junior doctors are kind of like everything from interns to fellows. That chart on wikipedia is confusing. >_>;;;
nicosian 3rd-Jul-2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
a friend of mine is a locum GP, she's fully trained, she's worked many long contracts. She just fills in where other doctors are needed for whatever reason.
angelofdeath275 3rd-Jul-2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
Later a nurse asked them "Have you finished seeing your son yet? Can I bag him up now?" the inquest was told.


baseball bat to the face
ruby_chalice 3rd-Jul-2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
Or struck off the nursing register????
jaded110 8th-Jul-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
No, I'll go with the baseball bat.
crazyprotein 3rd-Jul-2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
at our camp at burning man last year police arrested one guy
they took him and kept him in a cell in Reno, in a police department
for several hours without any attention
he was severely drugged, and he was drinking before, so he was suffering from dehydration big time
when after 4 or 5 hours they found him, he was unconscious, and he spent a night in the hospital, he survived thank god

but what the fuck really :/
alryssa 3rd-Jul-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
..... holy fuck. What the fuck did I just read. WHAT THE FUCK.

schmiss 3rd-Jul-2012 09:49 pm (UTC)
I can't even think of a punishment suitable for what these people have done. Wow.
nicosian 3rd-Jul-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
I swear there's always some people who get into a field dealing with people who...really should be in some other job. Its always shocking when its a medical practitioner and they wind up just being so much crueller.It seems to be a universal constant around the globe, despite health care systems that there's going to be cases where people just....AUGGH.

What sort of doctor says "skipping his dose won't matter?" Good grief. The entire team treating that poor man needs to be held up on some kind of charges.

ruby_chalice 3rd-Jul-2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
As an ex RN [who worked in the NHS] I couldn't agree with your comment more.
nicosian 3rd-Jul-2012 10:21 pm (UTC)
I've heard stories like this from like, Canada ( where I live) the US, britain, etc.

The nurse checking me in for surgery for a miscarriage nearly got herself ended when she started lecturing me to "chin up! think positive" and got fairly snotty when I wouldn't do so on demand. its like some people's compassion chip got recalled.

Cases of nurses, overdosing elderly patients or babies. Cases of health care workers driving home with a body on the hood of a car, just wacked out depraved shit that makes you wonder if they've just lost all sense completely.

I just don't get it.
ruby_chalice 3rd-Jul-2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
There are good and bad to be found in all professions. Unfortunately the consequences of poor job performance in the medical profession can ultimately cost lives.

In the UK, nurses are now required to train to degree standard. In my experience being academically qualified doesn't necessarily mean you have common sense or a compassionate nature. There are many nurses now who refuse to be 'hands on' with patients and see their role as mainly administrative. I place the blame for this squarely at the door of the NMC and the RCN. Jesus wept some of the student nurses who passed through my hands … seriously frightening. And there are far too many 'bank' nurses working the wards. Which is a disaster for continuity of care.

That's not to say that there aren't hard working, skilled and empathetic nurses to be found in the public sector. There are. But their ranks are diminishing. Rapidly.
nicosian 3rd-Jul-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
Oh I agree.

I was pressured to consider nursing, as it was regarded as this "easy ticket" job to money. No one stopped to consider that perhaps one has to WANT to do the job. I didn't. It wasn't my skill set or temperament. ( while I wouldn't kill patients, I just would burn out on the gig because i'm not what people now consider "nurse-ly).

I think we're seeing the effects of pushing people into careers they're really not suited for. Its happened for a long time, it always will. The catch I guess, is how to detect these folks before they're through their courses and in the real world.

roseofjuly 5th-Jul-2012 02:00 am (UTC)
I hear so many people now talk about going into nursing because nurses make good money and the job is stable, and there are many openings for them. But my mother's a nurse and I see the work she does, and about 70% of the people I hear talking about wanting to go into nursing shouldn't be let anywhere near people in a medical capacity. It's not just about taking home fistfuls of dollars; nursing is a caring profession. You have to be willing to get up close and personal with people, answer their questions, soothe their pain, deal with their grieving and sad family members, teach them how to care for themselves...it's hard fucking work.

A friend's boyfriend is taking the nursing prerequisites right now because nursing is a stable job that makes a good salary and I'm kind of side-eyeing the whole situation. He doesn't seem like a nursely kind of person to me.

Edited at 2012-07-05 02:00 am (UTC)
nova_night 4th-Jul-2012 02:27 am (UTC)
There are no words for how messed up this is...

Here have an icon to show my rage!
alicedear 4th-Jul-2012 02:57 am (UTC)
Ugh, this story is sickening but kind of unsurprising. I worked in Indianapolis's county hospital for 4 years and some of the things I saw there shocked me. One example I remember in particular was informing a nurse that a patient had soiled themselves, but she ignored it, and ultimately I had to wait for the next shift to come in to get someone to take care of him. And don't get me started on surgery... In general people who care about $$$ get promoted to managers/directors etc. people who actually care about people are actively driven off.
autumnleaving 4th-Jul-2012 03:26 am (UTC)
that's disgusting. has the health care system gotten this bad that every single patient is treated/assumed as routine?

Edited at 2012-07-04 03:28 am (UTC)
rebness 4th-Jul-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
No.
lastrega 4th-Jul-2012 09:30 am (UTC)
If this was a nurse under my control she'd be an ex-nurse in very short order.

Btw 'hypernatraemia' isn't a medical term for dehydration but a medical term for excessively high salt levels, which of course occurs in dehydration.
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