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Doctors will resent 'ObamaCare' because of fat people!

6:10 pm - 07/03/2012
Fox News Medical Contributor: Doctors Will Resent Being Forced To Cover Fat And Lazy People Under Obamacare

Fox News medical contributor Dr. Marc Siegel appeared on Fox Business Tuesday afternoon and expressed strong resentment for having to provide more health care coverage to sicker Americans in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision upholding the constitutionality of Obamacare.

During a discussion about how medical providers will respond to the law, Siegel argued that some physicians won’t accept newly insured patients with pre-existing conditions who “eat all the wrong foods” and “gain weight” because “they are not paid enough”:

TOM SULLIVAN (HOST): Right now you can say I don’t accept Medicare or Medicaid? Right?

SIEGEL: Tom, that the untold story. There has been no consideration to the fact that many physicians do not take insurance. Many surgeons don’t take insurance…The more Obamacare floods the gate, the less they will take insurance. If they’re not getting paid and an insurance company says, I have to cut somewhere.

They are forcing me to cover all pre-existing conditions, which sounds great. Let’s take care of everybody’s pre-existing condition. You lie on the couch for 30 years, you never exercise, you gain weight, you eat all the wrong foods, you get diabetes and now you have Obamacare. But the fact is, doctors don’t have to play ball with it. If they are not paid enough they won’t play ball with it.



In reality, only a small minority of doctors in higher-income areas refuse to accept insurance. Most providers participate in Medicare and Medicaid and will continue to do so under the Affordable Care Act.

The law increases incentive payments for primary care physicians in Medicare, general surgeons in rural and underserved areas, and some mental health services. Primary care physicians in Medicaid will also receive a payment bump in 2013 and 2014. ACA also invests in preventive care and wellness initiative to encourage people to lead healthier life styles.

source: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/03/510908/fox-news-medical-contributor-doctors-will-resent-being-forced-to-cover-fat-and-lazy-people-under-obamacare/
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belleweather 3rd-Jul-2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
Apparently he missed the part of Medical School that involves the Hippocratic Oath.

Oh wait... isn't that like, all of it?
chaya 3rd-Jul-2012 11:59 pm (UTC)
DO NO HARM, HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, UNLESS THEY WON'T GET OFF THE COUCH, THEN LET THE FUCKERS DIE.
aviv_b 3rd-Jul-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
Last time I checked physicians were supposed to treat sick people. And that includes people who do not exercise and have diabetes - which is a growing number of people every year.

Don't want to treat sick people? Find another line of work.
thelilyqueen 4th-Jul-2012 02:44 am (UTC)
Exactly. I'm hoping to be a doctor, and yeah it'd be great if my future patients all ate an excellent diet, exercised appropriately, got enough sleep, etc. They'd need to see future me less often. But, there are any number of reasons a person might not be doing those things. And, even if the reason is sheer laziness... it'd still be my job to try to get them back on track. Period.
miriamele 3rd-Jul-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
All I see is just stirring the pot. Yeah let's stir the pot. Let's scare people and tell them it's all a sham, etc.

Way to go, once again, FOX.
ebay313 3rd-Jul-2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
Is there even much truth to the claim that many doctors do not take insurance? I would expect that to be a very tiny fraction- given that only a tiny fraction of people can afford health care all out of pocket without insurance.
I know most doctors only take certain types, but just not taking any kind of insurance period?
kitanabychoice 3rd-Jul-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
I mentioned that in my comment below, but I've only encountered it once where a doctor didn't accept ANY insurance. He also operates in Scottsdale, AZ, which is a fairly affluent part of metropolitan Phoenix.
tiddlywinks103 3rd-Jul-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
They are so awful.

Fat people aren't Americans, doctors should get to ignore the Hippocratic oath and not provide care, and you just straight lie about how they don't accept Medicare/Medicaid. What is this exultation and expectation of doctors being in it for pure profit, and not, oh, um FOR THE SAKE OF HELPING PEOPLE? So, so evil.

Also, I hope these shits don't smoke, and drink excessively, or else that can be a preexisting condition, too, and a doctor shouldn't fucking treat THEM. It's disgusting that this SC decision is highlighting how too many feel like affordable healthcare is only for a certain set of people who *deserve it*.

/rant
moonshaz 3rd-Jul-2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
It's disgusting that this SC decision is highlighting how too many feel like affordable healthcare is only for a certain set of people who *deserve it*.

It is indeed disgusting. But at the same time it's extremely revealing. This is forcing certain people into showing their true colors, and I think that's a good thing in a way.
nicosian 3rd-Jul-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
Oh Fox-nooze. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

What sort of medical system deals with SICK PEOPLE OH THE HORROR.

( and uh, maybe some preventative care/healthy living help/support...oh never mind Fox news practically shits itself in anger when anyone suggests supporting healthy choices for people.)

kitanabychoice 3rd-Jul-2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
Can I just punch all of these people in the face now? This basically just sounds like a load of fat-shaming, "bootstraps!!1!" yelling to me.

and re: doctors not accepting insurance, the first time I'd even heard of that was when my (wealthier than me) boyfriend suggested I see his family doctor and his dad was like "our doctor doesn't accept any insurance."

also, if everyone has insurance and doctors decide to opt out of accepting insurance as a form of payment, what makes this guy think he's going to get any clientele? I'm willing to bet the contents of my apartment that 98% of people will just go to someone who does accept the insurance.
ruby_chalice 3rd-Jul-2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
Dr. Marc Siegel ... seriously, Doctor?... has anyone actually checked this guy's credentials. Oh wait ... it's Fox, so probably not.
_udntnome 3rd-Jul-2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
Their arguments don't even make common sense. If "many" doctors choose not to take insurance then there will be many broke doctors. I can't with the stupidity.
sky3205 3rd-Jul-2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
SHUT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


Edited at 2012-07-03 11:11 pm (UTC)
lux_roark 4th-Jul-2012 12:15 am (UTC)
Is that Tanisha?
popehippo 3rd-Jul-2012 11:02 pm (UTC)
And I'm sure plumbers resent people that shit

BUT GUESS WHAT

THAT'S YOUR JOBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB.
bex 3rd-Jul-2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
What? Wait. I was going to go to med school so I could open a practice and only treat slim, attractive people who smell nice and never have any more serious ailment than a minor cold. HAVE I BEEN MISLED?!
chernobylred 3rd-Jul-2012 11:04 pm (UTC)
Thanks to a very stressful day at work, I'm already kind of drunk. So I think I'm going to pour myself another drink and turn up my stereo and pretend that I'm not overweight with an autoimmune disease and probable chronic fatigue and depression possibly caused in part by an eating disorder that lasted for the mentioned thirty years. Sorry that because I took so long to get over that silly little thing that I'm not worthy of healthcare.



edited for HTML fail

Edited at 2012-07-03 11:05 pm (UTC)
moonshaz Re: 3rd-Jul-2012 11:53 pm (UTC)
This gif is incredibly hypnotic. *stares slack-jawed*
vanya_elda 3rd-Jul-2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
As someone who is not obese but has 6 different other major illnesses or disorders that cost drastic amounts of money and time to treat plus cause my doctors and me to have to jump through hoops to find a balance of care that not only accommodates all of them but does so within the insurance company's parameters... This dude can fuck right the hell off. I've never heard of doctors not accepting insurance so this completely blows my freaking mind. Fuck this dude and FOX SNOOZE. Get him on an actual NEWS program and ask him why he is a doctor if he's only going to treat healthy people? Ugh.
mirhanda 3rd-Jul-2012 11:13 pm (UTC)
TBH, that kind of guy is illustrative of the problem with medicine being a "high paying" position. People like him go into it, not because they care about and want to help people, but to get wealthy. That is NOT a good reason to be a doctor, and if this program weeds out slime like that, well, y'all know how I feel about this bill, but my outlook will improve considerably.

Edited at 2012-07-03 11:17 pm (UTC)
roseofjuly 4th-Jul-2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
Ugh, this. I am in public health and one of my interests is patient-provider communication, but I also mentor and advise undergrads right now in a variety of roles. I have several students who want to be doctors and it always irritates me when I ask them basic questions about why they want to be a doctor and they can't answer. I have some fantastic students who I can really see as caring doctors (one in particular is an EMT and works long, long days doing emergency care, and she's spending the summer volunteering in a community hospital; one wants to intertwine his work with environmental health; a few are minority students who have a passion and desire to go back to their communities and improve health, I LOVE THEM ALL) but I get a few with whom our conversation goes like this:

Me: So why do you want to be a doctor?
Them: I want to help people.
Me: *eyeroll* Oh, that's nice. Any idea what area you might want to go in?
Them: Oh, I dunno.
Me: No idea? What kind of people do you want to work with?
Them: *shrug* Not really sure yet. I haven't really thought about it. OR THEY SAY: Not really sure. Maybe cardiology?

I swear to God about 70% of them say cardiology. We don't need that many fucking cardiologists!! Another 15% say some kind of surgery. And these are Ivy League kids I'm talking about, usually juniors or seniors by the time I am talking to them. You mean to tell me that you are working your ass off taking pre-med courses, taking MCATs, and applying to medical school, and you haven't given ANY thought to what kind of doctor you want to be? What kind of people you want to work with? What kind of communities you want to serve?

I always just sigh and tell them that primary care is experiencing shortages right now, so they should consider going into a primary care field - internal medicine, ob/gyn, pediatrics, something. They always nod with half-glazed eyes, but I know half of them are going to end up as cardiologists in Westchester County. *sigh*

I kind of want to go back to school and become a nurse practitioner. If I do, I want to work with women doing gynecological care in urban areas in community clinics or hospitals.
violethamster 3rd-Jul-2012 11:21 pm (UTC)
inthisheaven 3rd-Jul-2012 11:35 pm (UTC)
Argh. This makes me so angry. Why would you even publish something like this (I know, I know, FOX)
beoweasel 3rd-Jul-2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
Personally, I think the surgeons who perform roux-en-y gastric bypass, are going to be incredibly busy with the passing of healthcare mandate. And I think a lot more doctors are going to suggest to patients with a 40+ BMI to get one.

It's relatively cheap (about 20k, plus surgeon fees.), it's an effective way of losing weight (For the first 6 months to a year, until your body adjusts). Not to mention that 95% of the people who get gastric bypass, are cured of their Type 2 Diabetes.
meran_flash 4th-Jul-2012 02:40 am (UTC)
Are you for real with this?
endlos_schleife 3rd-Jul-2012 11:44 pm (UTC)
reminds me of a discussion I read somewhere else how someone argued that now thanks to Obamacare it isn't worth going to med school anymore because your pay will go down. Quite a few agreed with him, saying that giving the high loans for med school, doctors deserve to make a lot of money.
Most failed to see that the cost of med school is a completely different problem by itself and that if you are only interested in the pay you shouldn't be a doctor.
sonadoras456 4th-Jul-2012 05:56 am (UTC)
"BUT, BUT...I WANNA GET MONEY AND BE ABLE TO BUY MERCEDES EVERY 3 YEARS!"
shoujokakumei 3rd-Jul-2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
Considering that we heard stories of doctors denying care to overweight patients, discouraging them from seeking care, etc even BEFORE the ACA was passed... I think these are separate fucking issues.
mollywobbles867 3rd-Jul-2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
I remember a story of a gyno who refused to treat obese patients b/c they may break the table or some shit.
mollywobbles867 3rd-Jul-2012 11:55 pm (UTC)
This man should not be a doctor. Being a doctor means you will treat sick people. THAT'S THE FRACKING POINT.
deathchibi 4th-Jul-2012 12:02 am (UTC)
Yeah, let me tell you, I love being asthmatic. Rejection letters are fun. So is being offered a 1200$ monthly insurance policy that wouldn't even pay for my inhalers. THRILLS.

You know what, just because someone is overweight doesn't mean they don't deserve health care. :| And that's the way it should be. Not 'lol only healthy rich people get insurance and coverage, sorry'.

Don't these dingbats know that frequent check ups and primary care are THOUSANDS of times cheaper? For -everyone-?

Edited at 2012-07-04 12:04 am (UTC)
bestdaywelived 4th-Jul-2012 03:07 pm (UTC)
Seriously. I have ashtma (and endometriosis, and adenomysosis, and chronic migraines ... I suck) because my selfish grandmother was a smoker, and smoked near me on a constant basis, making me sick. I had nothing to do with her choice, and aren't these fuckers all about personal choice?
celtic_thistle 4th-Jul-2012 12:08 am (UTC)
lol irl @ doctors not being paid enough. YEAH OKAY
hllangel 4th-Jul-2012 12:19 am (UTC)
Anyone who has ever been to the doctor while fat knows that it can be incredibly difficult to get *actual* medical treatment and not just more fat shaming. Too many doctors put every ailment down to weight problems, and won't actually look past that.
heartbreakangel 4th-Jul-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
Yep. I had to stop an orthopedic surgeon when he started telling me my knee issues were only because I was fat, and that if I "just lost weight" they'd magically fix themselves and ask him if he'd bothered to read my chart before opening his mouth. He got really offended, flipped back through it, and was horrified when it confirmed what I'd said about them being in different stages of fucked, most of which was blown off by another orthopedist when I was thin - it's now in my chart that I'm "hostile" because I actually made him do his due diligence. Oops.

If it isn't the fat shaming, it's the "oh, you must be a malingerer" routine because of the Fibro if I get sent to a specialist without a clue that decides to try to weigh in on that when I'm there for something utterly different. Or it's both. I do so enjoy a good dose of fat shaming and ablism during the meager 10 minutes I may get to spend with these people.
tabaqui 4th-Jul-2012 01:00 am (UTC)
You know, if i'd been able to afford insurance and regular/preventative medical care for the last twenty+ years, i wouldn't had to have had surgeries and care last year that totaled more than 100,000 dollars. Thank fuck for medicaid.

Back when we *had* insurance we could afford (and that changed pretty quickly) i had a hysterectomy that was only partially paid for. We just finally paid that bill off this year, seven years later.

So fuck this guy and his whaaaaa. The health care system we already have has MADE these problems. Now it's going to have to clean them the fuck up.
heartbreakangel 4th-Jul-2012 01:11 am (UTC)
Oh, for fuck's sake. None of this shit surprises me anymore.
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