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MY daughter was 2 days old, and dropping weight. I had been trying to feed her, but for some reason she wasn’t yet getting the liquid gold of colostrum, the earliest mother’s milk. When the hospital’s doctor paid his daily visit and mentioned her weight, my husband asked whether we should supplement with formula, gesturing at the little Similac bottles of hospital swag with the desperation of a business traveler eyeing vodka in the minibar — and with much of the same shame. The pediatrician swiftly confirmed our fears, intoning, “Formula is evil.” He was implying we were quasi-negligent for even considering it.

What does it mean when a doctor actually uses the word “evil” about a nourishing fluid? I would come to realize that his comment was just part of an ever-growing emphasis on breast-feeding. A Time magazine cover in May had the headline “Are You Mom Enough?” with an image of a woman breast-feeding a toddler. New mothers frequently exchange the question “How long did you go?” Even New York’s mayor, Michael Bloomberg, now has an initiative through his health department that encourages hospitals to limit the promotion of formula, as if it were a 20-ounce personal bottle of soda. These are signals of a force beyond a worthy public health agenda.



The American Academy of Pediatrics suggests that women breast-feed for at least 12 months to get the full benefits of improved immunity for their children, and some groups and researchers say that any supplemental feedings in the first year are problematic because they believe exclusive nursing leads to the greatest health benefits.

Nevertheless, fewer than half of American babies are breast-fed for six months. I understand why. Breast-feeding exclusively for the first year is just not feasible for many women, who sometimes get six weeks of paid maternity leave but often get none. Choosing formula as a supplement is reasonable, given this reality. Yet, however worthwhile nursing may be, the heightened pressure to breast-feed creates shame in those who don’t manage to do it, and today’s lactation rhetoric erroneously implies that nursing is the most crucial thing you can do for your infant’s welfare.

The current fascination with breast-feeding is also an extension of a society’s efforts to control risk, including risk to our children. Mandatory, exclusive breast-feeding is, in this thinking, a kind of harm-reduction or abatement. It’s part of a collective dream of reducing all danger to nil. It’s also fueled by an idealization of the natural in a world that is ever more artificial.

We need more balanced, reassuring voices telling women not to feel guilty if they can’t nurse exclusively for months on end. Given how difficult it is for some women to nurse, we should understand that we might sometimes be asking too much.

My encounter with the hospital pediatrician occurred 16 months ago; my daughter was fine on formula until I was able to breast-feed. I was fortunate to get advice from friends as well as a doula. While nursing eventually worked, my daughter still needed formula from time to time.

For most women, there is little institutional support for breast-feeding. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 11 percent of private-sector workers get paid family leave through their employers. Once mothers go back to work, there are few places where they can pump milk for later use.

I was aware of this as I pumped in an office and once in a train bathroom and then the back of an Off Broadway theater, that awkward plastic battery-operated thing emitting its industrial music lullaby. Pumping daily illustrated to me how social class and labor rights are utterly embedded in the breast-feeding discussion. And yet these underlying issues are not often articulated.

Unfortunately, there are few places for women to turn for balanced advice on the matter. On the Web, where the ideologue is queen, searches led to sites that gave useful advice about getting the baby to latch on to the breast but then descended into a moral register. Mothers should feed constantly and cease only when a baby is ready to wean; if a mother didn’t produce enough, it was because she hasn’t tried hard enough. She should drink dark beer, take fenugreek or never leave her baby’s side.

But I also found online commentary from the other camp. I discovered Dr. Amy Tuteur, whose site is called The Skeptical OB. She worked for seven years as an obstetrician and gynecologist, some of that time at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, then quit in the mid-1990s to raise four children. On her site, which she says draws about a million visitors a year, she attacks the new nursing and birth orthodoxies among upper-middle-class women. Among some online, she is more despised than the Tiger Mom. (Recently there was a critical article about her on Slate.) “We’ve moralized breast-feeding,” she told me when I met her for an interview. She argued that it is less important than its advocates claim. She cited a 2008 study in the journal Pediatrics, in which the authors concluded there was no “evidence of risks or benefits of prolonged and exclusive breast-feeding for child and maternal behavior.”

I’m in favor of breast-feeding: I think women should breast-feed as much as they want to. Nursing is excellent nourishment and a lovely way to connect to your baby.

Breast-feeding activists who argue for paid maternity leave are on the mark. But the milk war is sapping attention from crucial parenting issues. We shouldn’t be fighting over individual choices about nursing or dictating them: We should be organizing for paid parental leave, subsidized day care and public preschool. When it comes to children’s emotional and physical health, these all matter as much as mother’s milk.


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evewithanapple 16th-Jul-2012 03:14 am (UTC)
The pediatrician swiftly confirmed our fears, intoning, “Formula is evil.”

So would this be your medical opinion?
tigerdreams 16th-Jul-2012 04:09 am (UTC)
Seriously. I'm desperately interested in learning the medical definition of the word "evil."
kaelstra 16th-Jul-2012 03:19 am (UTC)
It all really feels like it boils down to another way people tell women what to do with their bodies.
dreamoftheday 16th-Jul-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
I came in here to say exactly this.

The amount of breastfeeding wank I see on the internet is truly disturbing...it's such a personal thing and there's a myriad of reasons why a woman can't/won't breastfeed her child, none of which are really anyone else's goddamn business.
owlsarentaholes 16th-Jul-2012 03:20 am (UTC)
2 days old and dropping weight is FUCKING NORMAL.

What a moron.

Formula is disgusting, and the formula industry IS evil.
oddityangel 16th-Jul-2012 03:21 am (UTC)
And here we go...
angi_is_altered 16th-Jul-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
I couldn't nurse my kids because I was on depression meds because I got PPD both time. Formula saved their lives and mine. People need to stay the fuck out of other people's business because you don't their circumstances.
ahzuri 16th-Jul-2012 06:06 am (UTC)
Its hard when you have PPD, I have Major depressive disorder that defiantly got worse after I gave birth. I actually waited for a very long time because I thought there were no meds compatible with breastfeeding but amazingly enough there's a decent sized list of them that are.

The doctor who prescribed me meds looked at me a bit funny when I told him I was still breastfeeding at 1yr old, apparently he wasn't used to American women doing that. Not to say there is anything wrong with formula(the companies who produce it maybe the product itself no) at all, it helps many children but the knowledge might help someone else not wait for help because they want to breastfeed. I defiantly agree its a personal choice that one makes and either way is fine.
popehippo 16th-Jul-2012 03:30 am (UTC)
darth_eldritch 16th-Jul-2012 03:33 am (UTC)
Seriously.

I saw the title of the post and I gave it a matter of minutes. I was not wrong.
pepsquad 16th-Jul-2012 03:45 am (UTC)
i find the doctors choice of words problematic however the idea that formula is a far far far distant third choice to breast feeding is pretty well known. Formula increases the rest of ear infections, increases the risk of SIDs and makes really fucking horrible smelling diapers.

Ultimately it's up to the woman what she does with her child's food supply however she needs to be informed like this woman seems to have not been. She needs to be aware of the potential consequences of her choices.

And PLEASE it's not like nursing mothers are embraced and formula feeding woman are shunned. the article is poorly written and comes off as extremely whiny.
maynardsong 16th-Jul-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
This. Thank you. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a nursing mother in public. Only once was she doing it openly. Otherwise, they're always huddled in the goddam BATHROOM, and covered up on top of that. OTOH, bottle-fed babies in public are a fairly regular sighting and no covering up or ducking in corners is involved with that.
maynardsong 16th-Jul-2012 03:45 am (UTC)
The American Academy of Pediatrics suggests that women breast-feed for at least 12 months to get the full benefits of improved immunity for their children, and some groups and researchers say that any supplemental feedings in the first year are problematic because they believe exclusive nursing leads to the greatest health benefits.

Yeah? There's a reason for that. And the World Health Organization agrees. This isn't some kind of granola Earth mother hippie circle jerk, and I'm damn tired of people pretending it is.

Certainly people turn out fine when they're formula fed, and infant formula is the next best thing when breast milk isn't an option. The operative phrase is NEXT BEST THING. And often formula gets marketed as better than equivalent, which is really beyond the pale. Nestle HAS pulled some terrible shenanigans in the third world.
beemo 16th-Jul-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
you ain't never lied
sestree 16th-Jul-2012 09:44 am (UTC)
I had to switch my son to formula after an ugly upper respiratory infection (on me) led to mastitis. Wheeee. My MIL treated me like a failure until her death telling me my son was going to be substandard (not as smart, not as healthy, not as blah blah blah) and it was ALL MY FAULT !!!!!

there needs to be balance here.
not_emily 16th-Jul-2012 04:40 am (UTC)
effervescent 16th-Jul-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
I think the trouble is that for every woman who tries and tries and tries, there are women who don't... Idk. I hate that it gets wrapped up in the horrible, judgmental culture that surrounds everything that women do, though. It turns women against each other and is an incredibly sensitive issue - this entry shows that already, and there are loads of entries over at booj that demonstrate it even further. I think it's horrible to see women reduced to the point of tears and hating themselves for not being able to feed their babies.

By the same token, I despise the formula companies for the shit they pull and the blatant lying they've done in the past, and I think it's indicative of the topic that so many women get defensive over their choice or need to formula feed... Everyone knows that it's not the best choice, which is why I wish conversations like this could take a more balanced approach... The author does have points when she says the viciousness is damaging, but ignoring the fact that the push for formula in hospitals still outweighs the education on breastfeeding isn't the way to go either.
maynardsong 16th-Jul-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
ignoring the fact that the push for formula in hospitals still outweighs the education on breastfeeding isn't the way to go either.

That's the issue I took with this bit: Even New York’s mayor, Michael Bloomberg, now has an initiative through his health department that encourages hospitals to limit the promotion of formula, as if it were a 20-ounce personal bottle of soda. Like, dude, Mayor Bloomberg did a GOOD THING. YES THAT WAS A GOOD THING. Fucking A.
maynardsong 16th-Jul-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
Even New York’s mayor, Michael Bloomberg, now has an initiative through his health department that encourages hospitals to limit the promotion of formula, as if it were a 20-ounce personal bottle of soda.

Yeah? Why exactly is this a bad thing?
pepsquad 16th-Jul-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
yeah my reactions was "awesome, good job, bloomberg" and I so fight with that guy on other issues.

I like how this article treated nursing like it was some magical new trend or something.
aviv 16th-Jul-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
My mother fed me and my twin brother only breast milk for 3 months, and another 3 months mixing formula and breast milk.
I am now 20 years old, and have never broken any bone, and have never been seriously sick. My brother is equally fine.


belleweather 16th-Jul-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
I have so many conflicting feelings about this. I nursed my first two kids to 2 years, nursed in public, pumped through pump resistance, helped other mamas, the whole she-bang. My nursing credentials are rock solid and gold plated.

BUT. Baby number three wouldn't nurse. He wouldn't latch, he didn't suck effectively, couldn't coordinate his suck/swallow/breathe pattern at all. I believed everything I'd been taught about all babies being able to breastfeed and every mom being able to have a decent supply/decent milk quality. So I nursed him exclusively until he was 9.5 weeks old even though I felt like something wasn't entirely right. At 10 weeks, he was almost an entire pound under his birth weight, and the best lactation consultant in DC pretty much insisted he get more formula because he was starving to death.

I did everything right. I KNOW I did everything right. It just didn't work for this baby. We started him on supplemental formula and he smiled for the first time ever. Now he's getting ~70% of his calories from formula, and is chubby and strong and happy.

So on one hand, I think women should 100% be encouraged to breastfeed and that it should always, always be the first choice to feed your kid. And our society is totally fucked up about nursing in general and we need to agitate for change. On the other hand, I read articles like this and am kind of like "fuck yeah!" because no one told me it was OK to supplement or how to do it the right way to preserve my milk supply and have it be a loving experience for my son and I.

tl;dr: This all sucks. Both sides are right. Why can't we all get along?
pepsquad 16th-Jul-2012 04:15 am (UTC)
mommy wars are bullshit, I'm glad you got what your little guy needed figured out.
shadowesque13 16th-Jul-2012 04:11 am (UTC)
We shouldn’t be fighting over individual choices about nursing or dictating them: We should be organizing for paid parental leave, subsidized day care and public preschool.

Can this be the takeaway point of everything, please? Surely this is something we can all agree on.
rex_dart 16th-Jul-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
We can't all agree on it because somewhere out there, women are making choices, and it is our primary purpose to scrutinize and judge them at all costs.
ceilidh 16th-Jul-2012 04:15 am (UTC)
I didn't get help or encouragement no matter what I did. I had my daughter in 2000. I breast fed her for about 4 months, including when I went to the hospital in the second month with emergency gallbladder surgery. The lactation consulatant was totally useless and gave me no help when I had difficulty getting her to latch. Then when I was in the hospital for my surgery a different lactation consultant came by and yelled at me for pumping and discarding my milk when I still had drugs in my system from surgery, and the nurses acted like me pumping or breastfeeding at all was the nastiest thing ever. I went back to work at 6 weeks because even though I had more sick days saved up our school district wouldn't let teachers take them as maternity leave, anything over 6 weeks had to be unpaid. I had to beg the principal (a man) to rearrange my teaching schedule so I could have time to pump during the day and it was humiliating the way I was treated. I got dirty looks and nasty comments for nursing in public--NO, I'm not covering up with a goddamn blanket in August/September in the South when it's 90-100 degrees, fuck off--and my own MIL suggested I should feed the baby in the bedroom and not the living room (I suggested she should GTFO of my house if she didn't like it). I nursed my daughter for 4 months and she was healthy and grew well. I couldn't get any support for pumping at work or nursing at home except from my husband and parents.

THEN, when my thyroid went out of whack and I had to go on meds for that + meds for depression, I decided to quit nursing. The same people who acted like my breastfeeding was the worst thing ever got all judgey face about me not doing it anymore. I got sick of everyone putting their ~Opinions in my business.

There needs to be more SUPPORT for nursing moms (and not the DO THIS OR YOU ARE A SHITTY MOTHER "support") and less pressure for those who don't. I DO think some women don't give it an honest try because they assume it'll be too hard/messy/whatever without even trying it, but it's not my business. And formula needs to not be sof ucking expensive so poor women aren't tempted to water it down to make it last longer.
pepsquad 16th-Jul-2012 05:00 am (UTC)
i am so sorry you had that experience.
yeats 16th-Jul-2012 04:21 am (UTC)
-find an interesting article on nyt.com that presents a strikingly even-handed position about the classist assumptions of bf and the structural obstacles that stop many women from bf
-slap together a post in about 5 minutes
-go drink gin and tonics with uncles and watch real housewives
-come back
eveofrevolution 16th-Jul-2012 04:23 am (UTC)
Welcome to ontd_p =P

That gif is cracking me up. I love him sfm
one_hoopy_frood 16th-Jul-2012 04:24 am (UTC)
Perhaps instead of going after women for being ANTI-SCIENCE and uneducated on the benefits of breastfeeding, we should all agree to rant about the fact that there's pretty much no such thing as paid maternity leave in most jobs in the US? Seeing as that forces the hands of many, many women? Maybe? In my retail job, for example, pretty much anyone who was hired part time (which most of us were) and left for pregnancy leave was either expected to come back within a few weeks (less than the standard six) or replaced.

Or the fact that electric pumps that would pump fast enough for a fifteen minute break cost around $150-$200, whereas manual pumps, while cheaper, are often exhausting and too time consuming to do at work period? Can we talk about those things?
yeats 16th-Jul-2012 04:27 am (UTC)

aka, everything this article actually says.
rex_dart 16th-Jul-2012 04:32 am (UTC)
in my opinion we should all be feeding our babies lentils tbh.
astridmyrna 16th-Jul-2012 04:55 am (UTC)
Myself, I would breastfeed because I am cheap. Working at a grocery store and seeing how fucking expensive baby formula is, especially if baby has special needs, has killed any desire to go with baby formula. Of course, I don't know if I will have the time and energy to breastfeed baby all the time.

Good article, OP. Very interesting read.

ETA: Also, I'm wondering if people who judge women using formula know how expensive formula is. But hey, if the baby won't latch and or the mother can't produce enough milk, it's all the mother's fault for being a bad mother.

Edited at 2012-07-16 04:58 am (UTC)
yeats 16th-Jul-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
thanks, bub! i'm glad you found it interesting.
likeahobbit 16th-Jul-2012 05:09 am (UTC)
I'm due with my first baby in October and I've been trying to do all the research I can about breastfeeding, birth choices, etc. There are a TON of classist assumptions that are made in a lot of the mommy groups. It got to the point where I had to stop attending because all the judgement and holier-than-thou attitudes were starting to stress me the hell out.

There needs to be less demonization of the choices women make (and honestly, women are judged NO MATTER WHAT).
tsaraven 16th-Jul-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
Congrats! With my first I tried to socialize online with other moms too and the judgement and standards were just too much. I also felt bullied in the hospital about breastfeeding and it sent me down a bad path of stress and lack of bonding with my baby. I didn't feel really connected to her until she was almost 6-months-old, and I thought I had damaged her in some way by "failing" at both breastfeeding and a "normal" birth. With my second I figured "I got this!" and didn't listen to other moms and went into the hospital with a "Yes I'm formula feeding so what??" chip on my shoulder. Things went much smoother and I have fond memories of my son as a newborn. I also knew ahead of time that lack of sleep triggered my stress/baby blues so I accepted from the very first night that I was going to bottle feed and get lots of help. Good luck to you!
ze_toaster 16th-Jul-2012 05:09 am (UTC)
The best thing for an infant is to be exclusively breastfed for the first six months of its life. This is backed up by many years of scientific study, and is reiterated by many organisations (WHO, UNICEF and the AAP to name a few). I am concerned that the importance of breastfeeding is often downplayed by those who wish to spare the feelings of people who are unable to produce breast-milk, but its goodness really cannot be questioned

If a parent cannot breastfeed a child, then that child should be fed with donated milk. Wonderful organisations such as the Mother's Milk Bank work to supply new parents with breast-milk - at little to no cost - if they cannot naturally or safely produce it for their child. It is this, and not formula, that should be the first option considered if a new parent is unable to produce breast-milk . The promotion of formula at the expense of donated breast-milk is, in my opinion 'evil'.

Of course, not every country has such organisations, and there is no point judging people who don't have this option available and use formula out of desperation. If someone is truly pro-breastfeeding, then rather than sitting around judging other people who cannot breastfeed, they should be working to support such organisations, reducing stigma against breastfeeding and aiming to increase paid parental leave, all of which are far more productive avenues to improve infant health.
likeahobbit 16th-Jul-2012 05:41 am (UTC)
This is an option that I think a lot of people just don't know about. I've had a difficult time finding information about regulated, screened milk donation in the USA. Most of the moms I know that use donor milk do it through local milk shares that aren't regulated, which is something I'm not personally comfortable with.

Giant word to your last paragraph.
yooperchild 16th-Jul-2012 05:21 am (UTC)
I have a lot of feels on this to be honest, as when I had my baby, she couldn't to latch and I was made to feel like utter garbage by the lactation consultant the hospital brought in to "help". I was lazy and my baby wasn't trying hard enough and if we wanted to breastfeed we could have. And then she left.

When my husband finally broke down and gave the baby the formula, I cried for a solid hour. And I had several "friends" make me feel like crap too. It wasn't a pleasant experience at all, but yeah..my baby had formula and she's a healthy two year old and next time I'd love to do it differently.

yooperchild 16th-Jul-2012 05:32 am (UTC)
And I had a friend who breast fed, and was asked many times by people to cover up, etc. So I know breastfeeding isn't a perfect situation for mothers either.

It seems to be that everyone is far too worried about having an opinion on what everyone else is doing no matter what.
randomtasks 16th-Jul-2012 06:11 am (UTC)
My stepsister had a rare condition that made her breast milk toxic to her baby. Her son was seriously sick for awhile before they found out that it was her breast milk that made him sick. It broke her self-esteem that she couldn't bf her kid and everyone acted like she was the worse mom ever for not bf-ing her kid were just rubbing salt into her wounds. She refused to use donor milk because in her area, it wasn't screened so she only had the donor's word that she didn't have HIV or some other disease, wasn't using drugs, smoking, drinking, etc and that made her uncomfortable.
lady_borg 16th-Jul-2012 06:26 am (UTC)
Wow, i have heard of that and that is scary. I hope everyone is ok now.
sarahsumbrella 16th-Jul-2012 06:28 am (UTC)
I just want to add, there are mothers out there helping other mothers who can't breastfeed. Often to keep supply going strong mothers will pump and then freeze their milk, sometimes especially if they have an oversupply they get to the point where they have no room left in their freezer. This is where organizations like "Human milk for human babies" and "Eats on Feets" and "milkshare" comes in. They put mothers who cannot breastfeed (for whatever reason) in touch with women who have a lot of milk. Donations between women like these are happening all over the country and its fantastic. Personally, my baby has been fed by other womens milk for most of her little life. I thank God for these women and I hope other women out there who went through the emotional hell of not being able to breastfeed learn about these communities and benefit from them as much as I have.
lady_borg 16th-Jul-2012 06:50 am (UTC)
I wish this was in australia
kerrence 16th-Jul-2012 06:51 am (UTC)
I'm so tired of women being shamed for every goddamn personal choice they make.
per_simmon 16th-Jul-2012 07:46 am (UTC)
This times a million.
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