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The Whole Country May Soon Look Like These American Wastelands

4:27 pm - 07/21/2012
Do you want to see where this country is headed?  If so, don't focus on the few areas that are still very prosperous.  New York City has Wall Street, Washington D.C. has the federal government and Silicon Valley has Google and Facebook. Those are the exceptions.
The reality is that most of the country has been experiencing a slow decline for a very long time and once thriving cities such as Gary, Indiana and Flint, Michigan have become absolute hellholes. They are examples of what the rest of America will look like soon.
Sixty years ago, most Americans were decent, hard working people and there were always good jobs available for anyone that was willing to roll up his or her sleeves and put in an honest day of work But now all of that has changed.
Over the past decade, tens of thousands of manufacturing facilities have shut down and millions of jobs have left the country. Cities such as Cleveland, Baltimore and Detroit were once shining examples of everything that was right about America, but now they stand out like festering sores.
The "blue collar cities" have been hit the hardest by the gutting of our economic infrastructure.  There are many communities in America today where it seems like all of the hope and all of the life have been sucked right out of them. You can see it in the eyes of the people. The good times are gone permanently and they know it.  Unfortunately, the remainder of the country will soon be experiencing the despair that those communities are feeling.
The following are 12 hellholes that are examples of what the rest of America will look like soon....


#1 Gary, Indiana


Gary, Indiana was once a great industrial city.
Today, it is one of the ten most dangerous cities in America, and the population has fallen by about 50 percent.
The following is from a recent Daily Mail article....

Frequently rated one of the ten most dangerous cities in the United States, Gary once boomed with jobs and opportunities but now faces the acute difficulties of America's growing rust belt, with 22 percent of families in the once-great city now lying below the poverty line.

This modern American ghost town began life as home for workers at the United States Steel Corporation plant until economic competition from abroad forced a 90 percent job cut.

It is hard to describe what is happening to Gary without using the word "depressing".  You can watch a great video that shows what Gary, Indiana looks like these days right here.
This is what happens when industry leaves and there are no jobs.  Gary has become a wasteland and there is essentially no hope for a turnaround.</p>

The following is how James Kunstler described what he experienced when he traveled through Gary, Indiana recently....

Between the ghostly remnants of factories stood a score of small cities and neighborhoods where the immigrants settled five generations ago. A lot of it was foreclosed and shuttered. They were places of such stunning, relentless dreariness that you felt depressed just imagining how depressed the remaining denizens of these endless blocks of run-down shoebox houses must feel. Judging from the frequency of taquerias in the 1950s-vintage strip-malls, one inferred that the old Eastern European population had been lately supplanted by a new wave of Mexicans. They had inherited an infrastructure for daily life that was utterly devoid of conscious artistry when it was new, and now had the special patina of supernatural rot over it that only comes from materials not found in nature disintegrating in surprising and unexpected ways, sometimes even sublimely, like the sheen of an oil slick on water at a certain angle to the sun. There was a Chernobyl-like grandeur to it, as of the longed-for end of something enormous that hadn't worked out well.

Sadly, Gary is far from alone.  There are a whole host of other formerly great U.S. cities that are degenerating into hellholes as well.



#2 Chicago, Illinois

There is something truly special about Chicago.  Most of America loved the Bears of the Walter Payton era, the Bulls of the Michael Jordan era and the Cubs of the Ernie Banks era.  Chicago is also known for great architecture and great pizza.

But these days "the windy city" is becoming known for other things.

The murder rate in Chicago is up 38 percent so far this year, and the recent spike in violence in the city has made national headlines.
As I noted the other day, there are only about 200 police officers in Chicago's Gang Enforcement Unit to deal with an estimated 100,000 gang members.

That means that those officers are outnumbered 500 to 1, and more gang members pour into the city every single day.
The escalating violence in Chicago was detailed in a recent article in the Telegraph....

"This is a block-to-block war here, a different dynasty on every street," said a dreadlocked young man heavily inked in gang tattoos who calls himself "Killer".

"All the black brothers just want to get rich, but we got no jobs and no hope. We want the violence to stop but you ain't safe if you ain't got your pistol with you. Too many friends, too many men are being killed. We don't even cry at funerals no -more. Nobody expects to live past 21 here."
The victims and killers are mainly black males aged between 15 and 35, often with gang affiliations - but not exclusively. A seven-year-old girl, Heaven Sutton, was buried this month after being gunned down at her mother's street sweet store. And last week, two girls aged 12 and 13 were shot and badly-wounded as they walked home from a newly-opened community centre.

If you are thinking of moving to Chicago, you might want to think again.



#3 Detroit, Michigan

I have written repeatedly about Detroit because it is a perfect example of what the rest of America is going to look like soon.

Once upon a time it was regarded as one of the top manufacturing cities the world had ever seen, but today it has become a total hellhole.
There are very few decent jobs available, poverty has exploded and crime is everywhere.
If you can believe it, 53.6% of all children in Detroit are living in poverty, and only 25 percent of all students in Detroit graduate from high school at this point.
And as I wrote about recently, justifiable homicide in Detroit increased by a whopping 79 percent during 2011, and the rate of self-defense killings in Detroit is now approximately 2200% above the national average.

Is it any wonder that you can still buy a house for $100 in some areas of Detroit?
The truth is that many areas of Detroit now resemble a post-apocalyptic wasteland.  Perhaps that is why one team of investors actually wants to turn some of the worst areas of Detroit into a zombie theme park....

Derelict areas of Detroit face being taken over by hordes of 'flesh and brain-eating zombies' if an ambitious business plan takes off.

Entrepreneur Mark Siwak wants to create live-action terror theme park 'Z World' on Motor City's run-down and abandoned streets.

Customers would pay to be chased by professional actors and try to seek shelter in ghostly homes, factories and businesses.

You can see some great video of the "ruins of Detroit" right here.



#4 Stockton, California

Stockton is one of the ten most dangerous cities in America and it recently made national headlines when it declared bankruptcy.
Unfortunately, as spending on law enforcement has declined it has given the criminals a lot more room to operate in Stockton.  The following is from a recent Business Insider article....
The city has cut more than $90 million in spending over the past few years, specifically in its police department. The city has cut over one quarter of its police jobs, which has led to a "surge in murders," and has created an "emboldened criminal element" in the city. According to police spokesman Joe Silva, the city has had 87 murders since the start of 2011, 29 of which have already occurred this year. In contrast, there were 35 murders in 2009 and 48 in 2010. With six months left in the year, there have already been more murders in the city since the start of 2011 than the two-year stretch of 2009-2010.

A while back in Stockton a billboard was put up with the following message: "Welcome to the 2nd most dangerous city in California. Stop laying off cops."



#5 Flint, Michigan

Flint, Michigan is a city that Michael Moore has made famous.  Flint once supported hordes of middle class workers thanks to a thriving auto industry, but today it is a just a rotting shell.  It looks like a war went through it and nobody bothered to clean up the mess.
At this point, the murder rate in Flint, Michigan is worse than the murder rate in Baghdad.  That is how nightmarish things have become in Flint.
The following is from an article in the New York Times....
It’s not that the cops here are scared; it’s just that they’re outmanned, outgunned and flat broke.

Flint is the birthplace of General Motors and the home of the U.A.W.’s first big strike. In case you didn’t know this, the words “Vehicle City” are spelled out on the archway spanning the Flint River.

But the name is a lie. Flint isn’t Vehicle City anymore. The Buick City complex is gone. The spark-plug plant is gone. Fisher Body is gone.

What Flint is now is one of America’s murder capitals. Last year in Flint, population 102,000, there were 66 documented murders. The murder rate here is worse than those in Newark and St. Louis and New Orleans. It’s even worse than Baghdad’s.

Politicians love to go to Flint and make speeches, but things never get any better.  The following are comments that Joe Biden made about Flint, Michigan during a recent speech he gave to promote a jobs bill....

"In 2008, when Flint had 265 sworn officers on their police force, there were 35 murders and 91 rapes in this city. In 2010, when Flint had only 144 police officers, the murder rate climbed to 65 and rapes--just to pick two categories--climbed to 229. In 2011, you now only have 125 shields. God only knows what the numbers will be this year for Flint if we don't rectify it."

But don't look down on Flint - these kinds of conditions are coming to where you live soon enough.



#6 West Philly

Did you know that 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty?

There are some sections of Philadelphia that are actually very nice, but there are others that look like society has forgotten about them for decades.

A recent article by Jim Quinn entitled "More Than 30 Blocks Of Grey And Decay" described the depressing conditions in West Philadelphia.  Quinn refers to his drive through this area as "the 30 Blocks of Squalor"....

The real unemployment rate exceeds 50%, murder is the number one industry, with drugs a close second.

But it was not always this way.  Once upon a time, West Philly was actually a thriving area and was full of middle class families.
So what happened?
That is a very good question.

According to Quinn, the physical decay in West Philly is matched by the social decay....

The once proud homes are in shambles. Bags of garbage dot the landscape. Most of the people who live here are parasites on society. Personal responsibility, work ethic, education and marriage are unknown concepts in this community. Even though more than 50% of the students in West Philly drop out of high school and the SAT scores of West Philly High students are lower than whale ****, the bankrupt school district spent $70 million to build a new high school/prison to babysit derelicts and future prison inmates. The windows do not have steel bars yet, as the architect was smart to put all windows at least eight feet above street level.

These days there is a lot of despair in "the city of brotherly love".  It is so sad to see what is happening to what once was such a proud city.



#7 Cleveland, Ohio

Cleveland has always had a love/hate relationship with itself.  Many who live there call it "the mistake by the lake", but the truth is that it was once a truly great city.
Sadly, today it is symbol of what has gone wrong with America.
There has been a steady stream of businesses that have left Cleveland and today 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty.
There are not enough good jobs in Cleveland anymore, and so there are not enough workers to buy the tens of thousands of homes that have been foreclosed or abandoned.
So what is being done with all of those empty homes?

Unfortunately, they are being torn down.
The following comes from a recent CBS News report by Scott Pelley....

Across America, recession-fueled foreclosures and plummeting home values have left countless properties abandoned and vulnerable to looting. As Scott Pelley reports, the problem has gotten so bad in Cleveland, Ohio, that county officials have demolished more than 1,000 homes this year - and plan to demolish 20,000 more - rather than let the blight spread and render nearby homes worthless.

Does that seem right to you?
Should Cleveland be destroying tens of thousands of homes that families could be using?
Something has gone very, very wrong in this country.



#8 Camden, New Jersey

If you want to see what a hellhole looks like just visit Camden, New Jersey.
Although you will probably want to take an armed escort with you.
As industry has abandoned Camden, the gangs have basically taken over.  The "growth industries" in Camden these days are drug dealing and prostitution.
In an article entitled "City of Ruins", reporter Chris Hedges described what life is like in Camden at this point....
There are perhaps a hundred open-air drug markets, most run by gangs like the Bloods, the Latin Kings, Los Nietos and MS-13. Knots of young men in black leather jackets and baggy sweatshirts sell weed and crack to clients, many of whom drive in from the suburbs. The drug trade is one of the city's few thriving businesses. A weapon, police say, is never more than a few feet away, usually stashed behind a trash can, in the grass or on a porch.

Not that other cities in New Jersey are shining examples for the rest of the world either.
For example, if you want to get really depressed just drive through the bad parts of Newark some time.



#9 St. Louis

According to U.S. News and World Report, the most dangerous city in the United States is St. Louis.
If you have a death wish, just wander around the streets of East St. Louis at night.
There is a decent chance that someone will shoot you.
Things were not always this way in St. Louis.  But today things have gotten so bad that you can find packs of wild dogs roaming the city digging through trash and threatening children.
The following is from a report by the local CBS affiliate in St. Louis....
...Lewis Reed is sounding the alarm. "I’ve witnessed packs of dogs, 10 and 15 dogs running together, and I’ve seen all these dogs I’m talking about they don’t have collars, they don’t have tags, these are truly wild dogs," he said.
Reed says stray dogs are terrorizing the north side. "It’s obscene that parents have to walk their kids to school, in some parts of the city, with a golf club to fend off wild dogs."

This kind of thing is actually happening in America?



#10 New Orleans, Louisiana

The problems that New Orleans has experienced have been well documented.
But unlike most of the cities listed above, at least New Orleans has an excuse.  New Orleans permanently lost 29% of its population after Hurricane Katrina, and large sections of the city were essentially destroyed by that storm.
Even today, there are still some areas of New Orleans that look as if they have just been bombed.
It has been estimated that about 20 percent of the homes in New Orleans are still standing vacant, and poverty is rampant.  New Orleans will probably never fully recover to the level it was at before Hurricane Katrina hit.



#11 Oakland, California

Oakland has always been in the shadow of San Francisco, and the contrast between the two cities continues to grow.
Oakland has always been considered one of the more dangerous cities in America, and this year crime rates in Oakland are rising rapidly.  The following is from a recent article in the New York Times....

At the beginning of April, murders in Oakland were up 26 percent over a year ago, rapes were up 41 percent, and robberies were up 35 percent.

When Chief Batts arrived as a “change agent” in 2009, the police department employed 837 officers. It now has 635. The department no longer responds to burglaries that are not still in progress, and frequently does not respond to other calls for help.

So if your house has been robbed and the burglars are gone what are you supposed to do?
Due to a crippling lack of resources, the previous police chief decided that his department would no longer be able to respond to all crimes.
The following is a partial list of the crimes that police in Oakland are no longer likely to respond to....

  • burglary
  • theft
  • embezzlement
  • grand theft
  • grand theft: dog
  • identity theft
  • false information to peace officer
  • required to register as sex or arson offender
  • dump waste or offensive matter
  • loud music
  • possess forged notes
  • pass fictitious check
  • obtain money by false voucher
  • fraudulent use of access cards
  • stolen license plate
  • embezzlement by an employee
  • extortion
  • attempted extortion
  • false personification of other
  • injure telephone/power line
  • interfere with power line
  • unauthorized cable tv connection
  • vandalism

So what do you do if you are a victim of one of those crimes in Oakland?
That is a very good question.



#12 Baltimore, Maryland

If you can believe it, Baltimore was actually once a great city.
But today it has become a crime-ridden, drug-infested hellhole.
I used to drive up to Baltimore all the time.  It truly is a "blue collar" city.  There are a lot of really hard working people there.
Unfortunately, there are not nearly enough jobs for everyone and a lot of people have turned to drugs and crime.
There are some areas of Baltimore that you really should never enter by yourself.  If you do go into them, you might not make it back out.

There was one incident in Baltimore earlier this year that was particularly disturbing.

One poor young man had gotten drunk and was apparently wandering around all by himself.  Some thugs approached him and they clearly sensed that he was vulnerable.  So they knocked him to the ground, stripped him of his car keys, his watch, his money, his cell phone and his clothes.

A crowd gathered around to watch, and instead of helping the man, several of them got out their cell phones and laughed hysterically while they recorded the incident with their cell phone cameras for YouTube.
What made all of this even sadder is that this happened right in front of a Baltimore courthouse.
What in the world has happened to this nation?
All of us that still love this country should be deeply saddened by everything above.
America is rotting from the inside out, and if we are ever going to find any solutions we need to start admitting how bad things have really become.
The truth is that our problems are not limited to one political party, one special interest group or to one region of the country.  The social decay that is plaguing America can literally be found everywhere.
For much more on this, please see the following four articles....
1) "25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out"
2) "70 Reasons To Mourn For America"
3) "20 Signs That Society Is Breaking Down And That America Has Been Overrun By Psychos"
4) "12 Factors That Are Turning The Streets Of America Into A Living Hell"</p>

So don't laugh at Detroit or Cleveland or St. Louis.
The rest of the country is declining too.
If the city where you live is not a hellhole already, it will be soon enough.

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OP Note: This is such a HUGE problem throughout this country as more jobs go over seas and education gets cut. But as someone who lives in Philadelphia found this baffling because West Philly is not the worst neighborhood in Philly, I can name 5 worse ones, but the fact more college students and white people are moving in makes this issue stand out than North Philly's barren kill zones.

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ahzuri 21st-Jul-2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
I live in Indiana and hadn't really ever paid attention to things like this but recently I was scheduling for my fall semester classes and my adviser told me to stay away from classes in the A area, apparently thats Gary and nothing good comes of there.
yaoiworksforme 24th-Jul-2012 01:50 am (UTC)
Funny because I've lived here my whole life and nothing has happened to me or anybody I know, but how nice of them to make assumptions about a place they've never been or never will be.
marywebgirl 21st-Jul-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
I've lived in three of these cities (Chicago, Cleveland and Baltimore) and somehow made it out alive! And I really have to defend Cleveland. The city made a huge mistake decades ago by not annexing inner ring suburbs to bolster its tax base. There are a few really nice neighborhoods just on the other side of the city limits that provide easy access to downtown and beautiful homes.

Plus this is rubbing me the wrong way because a lot of it smacks of people who live their entire lives in suburbs and fear venturing into historic downtowns for no good reason.
girly123 21st-Jul-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
Plus this is rubbing me the wrong way because a lot of it smacks of people who live their entire lives in suburbs and fear venturing into historic downtowns for no good reason.

Same. This article is really alarmist and condescending.
zeonchar 21st-Jul-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
I live in Silicon Valley and it's like living in a bubble. It makes me kinda depressed in a way because the expectation to succeed here is so pervasive in everything I do and everywhere I go. I understand the argument that I may be successful one day myself, but I really feel so intimidated by all the PhD's. I work at a lower-paying job in a laboratory which is part of a very successful global bio-tech company while going to school. It really just drives me crazy, this competition, this need to succeed. I worry about paying my rent every month because the cost of living here is just ridiculous. In order to be able to just pay all my bills every month and live comfortably with a marginal buffer for emergencies I would need to be making a lot more than I do now, which boggles the mind because anywhere else, especially in these struggling parts of America, my salary would be fine to live on.

Basically rant and white people problems I realize (although that's a poor excuse because Silicon Valley is immensely diverse) that this sounds silly to some people. I just want to express what it is like to live in an area that for all I can tell is very profitable and people seem to be really well-off but yet at the same time is really goddam hard to live in.
jessalae 21st-Jul-2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
I grew up in Silicon Valley, and there is no way I'm moving back there after college. I completely get what you mean about the high-pressure, competitive environment -- I dealt with it all through high school, and the pressure is really just not good for me. And the cost of living means I'd have to move back in with my parents (there's no way I could make enough to cover the average rent in the city where I grew up), which would be added stress. It is a weird dynamic, because it's such an economically successful region, but not necessarily a healthy one socially/psychologically.
bestdaywelived 21st-Jul-2012 09:24 pm (UTC)
I was surprised that they listed West Philadelphia, when that has become largely more safe since the 1990s and has been gentrifying. North Philadelphia is much, much less safe .. I mean, FUCK, Kensington has an open-air drug market in the middle of it that cops won't touch because it's so unsafe.

I grew up outside of Scranton. Growing up in a depressed area because all of the manufacturing jobs have been outsourced really, really sucks, but ... yeah, I don't know.
4815162342x 21st-Jul-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
I just moved out of the Jersey/Philly area and this doesn't surprise me, at least from just watching the news. Wasn't it last year they were averaging a murder a day?
porcelain72 21st-Jul-2012 09:27 pm (UTC)
If the city where you live is not a hellhole already, it will be soon enough.

Wow, did the author go and hang himself as soon as he turned in this article?

While he makes some valid points, it's hard to find them in this bleak litany of statistics. Also, a lot of this stuff isn't new. Camden has always been a rotten place. Philadelphia and Baltimore have always had bad neighborhoods, long before the recession. Detroit and Flint have been going downhill since the 1980s. People like this author have been claiming that we're on our way to becoming a dystopian nightmare of lawless streets and poverty since the 1960s, and yet we still stubbornly insist on surviving.
elobelia 22nd-Jul-2012 02:50 am (UTC)
Seriously. I live in Cali, and Stockton and Oakland have had these reputations since before I was born. It sucks that it's worse now, but it's not a recent thing.
chimbleysweep 21st-Jul-2012 09:30 pm (UTC)
I love Chicago. But is this author aware of Chicago's history? 'cause it's never been especially bright and polished.
rex_dart 22nd-Jul-2012 12:58 am (UTC)
Ironically I like it here because when you look at the Loop and the better off neightborhoods and public spaces, it's MORE bright and polished than most other big cities. Where there's the money to beautify and take care of the city, Chicago does a fantastic job, and that's due to movements of the last hundred and forty years or so.
angi_is_altered 21st-Jul-2012 09:32 pm (UTC)
I can sort of see this in Pittsburgh. I left years ago and I moved back because my husband died recently and the city is so different from what I left. I thought it was doing well,but I guess I was wrong.
papilio_luna 21st-Jul-2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
What do you mean? Pittsburgh has the second lowest unemployment rate in the nation currently.
archanglrobriel 21st-Jul-2012 09:45 pm (UTC)
Every time I visit Oakland (as I did this morning) it makes me so sad. It's such a great city in terms of it's diverse population, wonderful (emerging) art scene and cultural centers, parks, Jack London square etc. It's actually quite a beautiful city with lovely tree lined avenues and some absolutely wonderful architecture. I tell people Oakland has "great bones" and it could become one of the most wonderful cities in the country - but it's got a central core of poverty, so everything it's got and all that it could become is being left to rot and deteriorate and fall apart. The big green lawn that the City was so insistent that Occupy get moved off of (with tear gas and rubber bullets) is a big weedy, neglected mess with homeless people roaming around picking through dumpsters for food. Kind of a metaphor in there for America...and it seems like the people in power can't be arsed to give two rat's asses about any of it. It's just so sad...

Edited at 2012-07-21 09:46 pm (UTC)
bex 21st-Jul-2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
I'm a criminologist by day (superhero by night, obvs) and spend a lot of time in such cities doing research on crime patterns, fear of crime, criminogenic factors, etc. One of the cities where I've spent a lot of time is Flint, Michigan, and I also live near and spend time in Detroit.

I was just talking to my professor about these issues. Not in such a doom-and-gloom way, of course, but I pointed out that the situations in Flint and Detroit are not unique. Oh, sure, every city has its individual quirks and reasons for its struggles, but the impact of deindustrialization is pretty obvious everywhere and we're not done seeing it. In some ways, places like Detroit and Flint are ahead of the game, because they went through this process first. They've struggled for a long time and they're feeling the effects, but they're also finding ways to manage (Detroit more than Flint, sadly). In Detroit's case, I think it's possible that the city will pull through and be ahead of the game in many ways - they have an opportunity to engage in new urban farming practices, bring in new technology jobs, and really be at the FRONT of the ratpack if other cities start going through this deindustrialization process.

I'm annoyed by the tone of the article because it's defeatist, and if I've learned anything from doing work in these cities it's that while a lot of people have given up, I think outsiders would be STUNNED by the strength and resilience of some communities in terrible situations. When I was working in Flint, I met SO MANY amazing people who cared so much about their communities - many more invested people than I would meet in my own wealthier community, imo. They came out to every community meeting, they were at Q&A sessions with the mayor, they kept up with neighborhood watches and block clubs even when they had no encouragement, no resources, and no recognition. When we talk about cities like this I think we need to mind our words and not be so defeatist and abstract in speaking about the city as a living or dying thing - there are PEOPLE there, people who call it home, people who do not have the resources to move out nor the resources to do much to improve it, but people with really big hearts who care very deeply about their space.
porcelain72 21st-Jul-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
Your last paragraph states very eloquently how I feel about this article. The whole tone of it is "We're all fucked, and no one cares." No. A lot of people care. Not as many people as there should be, but it still counts for something.
yamamanama 21st-Jul-2012 09:58 pm (UTC)
"Don't read the comments" is a given. Read Michael Swanwick's "Capitalism For Dummies" instead.
slrcosmos 21st-Jul-2012 10:23 pm (UTC)
A number places this person lists are rather large cities. In a city of that size, there are always areas that aren't going to be the safest. I live near Baltimore (I'm in the County) and sure there are areas that may not be the safest, but it's not falling apart like that person states. It's a predominantly POC city, so maybe that has an influence, which is just sad.
oceandezignz 22nd-Jul-2012 05:54 am (UTC)
Quite a few of these cities listed have very VERY strong PoC populations, so to see this jackhole article be so defeatist and all is really making me twitch.
beemo 21st-Jul-2012 10:27 pm (UTC)
i have to admit that i rubberneck a bit when it comes to US urban decline, because i'm worried it will happen here. where i grew up in ontario, and here in montreal, there's been industrial and population decline. (the island of montreal lost 200,000 residents in the 1970s, and most of the population growth since then has been off-island.)

but this article's tone is kind of gross.

Edited at 2012-07-21 10:33 pm (UTC)
darlahood 21st-Jul-2012 10:51 pm (UTC)
Fuck this sorry-ass excuse for journalism. Judgmental, opinionated BS.

Where I live is not suffering from deindustrialization. What we're dealing with is farmland that's more valuable as a Chili's or Outback than it is for cows.

There should be NO new growth in the US. Repair and restore what we've got first!!
girl_fusion 22nd-Jul-2012 12:24 am (UTC)
This!!!
4815162342x 21st-Jul-2012 11:10 pm (UTC)
If you want to see what a hellhole looks like just visit Camden, New Jersey.
As someone who has been lost in Camden, at 2am, I can attest to this fact. It amazes me that they have such awesome places like the aquarium there.

Not that other cities in New Jersey are shining examples for the rest of the world either.
Rude.

For example, if you want to get really depressed just drive through the bad parts of Newark some time.
But sadly true.


It's funny, I'm scared to go to New York City alone because of how big it is, worried about getting lost, getting mugged, etc., and yet I'm not at all concerned about going to Philly whenever I want. I guess that just goes to show if your raised in the area, even if you know it can be bad, you tend to lose a bit of focus.

Edited at 2012-07-21 11:13 pm (UTC)
bestdaywelived 21st-Jul-2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
It's funny because I spend every day in Philadelphia, practically, and I'm still afraid of getting attacked or mugged. Probably because most people that I know have been. I've been assaulted (spit on) at 9:30 am on the subway, which was bad, and I've almost been a robbery victim (some guy actually thought I would be dumb enough to buy his sob story and take him to a fucking ATM, alone, on a side street ... RIGHT.).

After a friend of a friend was shot in the neck in cold blood by some thug for no reason ... I'm kind of terrified of the city now.
angry_chick 21st-Jul-2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
As a person who lived in the Chicago area - living in Chicago is solely about the areas that you'd have to live in. Parts of the South Side (Englewood, The Wild 100s) are areas that are generally ill-advised if you can do better. The crime extends all the way south to Country Club Hills.

A big part of the problem in Chicago is the hypersegregation.
rex_dart 22nd-Jul-2012 01:02 am (UTC)
A big part of the problem in Chicago is the hypersegregation.

Yep. I live in a neighborhood where the racial demographic breakdown is pretty close to the national percentages, but holy crap is that a rare thing here. What Chicago needs to fix is the North Side/South Side divide.

(Also relevant to mention: a big portion of the black population in Edgewater is Ethiopian and other African immigrants, and not African Americans.)

Edited at 2012-07-22 01:03 am (UTC)
marywebgirl 22nd-Jul-2012 04:41 am (UTC)
Yeah I honestly wasn't afraid to drive through any of the bad areas, and there are plenty of other cities I can't say that about.
yeats 21st-Jul-2012 11:28 pm (UTC)
this is a fucking ghastly article. anyone that approvingly reprints shit like this, Personal responsibility, work ethic, education and marriage are unknown concepts in this community, has no business packaging anything they say as reputable.

...also, i tracked back the blog where that quote came from, and it features other gems such as the following:

"The Chestnut Plaza truly represents what is important to this community. This Squalor Center, as opposed to Power Center, includes a video porn store, cash checking/payday loan outlet, smoke shop, donut shop, Laundromat, and liquor store. No need for a wedding ring store or resume writing service. Evidently this community values gorging themselves on fast food, getting high, getting drunk, jerking off to porno, and then having their sheets washed. They wouldn’t want to invest a few hundred dollars of their welfare payments on a washer and dryer, when they can spend it on the Direct TV NBA package. They utilize their 8th grade level education to get payday loans from the check cashing store at 40% interest."

tell us how you really feel about "this community," author.

Edited at 2012-07-21 11:30 pm (UTC)
yeats 21st-Jul-2012 11:38 pm (UTC)
also, in case you're wondering, the author's blog is a repository for nutty survivalist bullshit and conspiracy theories.

rme at this being treated like a story worthy of discussion.
interrobamf 21st-Jul-2012 11:41 pm (UTC)
I don't really care for articles that actually start out with romanticizing crap like "most Americans were decent, hard working people and there were always good jobs available for anyone that was willing to roll up his or her sleeves and put in an honest day of work".
violetrose 21st-Jul-2012 11:52 pm (UTC)
IKR? lbr what they really mean is that they long for a time when black people didn't have civil rights, and there weren't as many Latin American immigrants.
violetrose 21st-Jul-2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
This article is a piece of crap, and the author is a racist, classist ignorant dipshit.
liret 22nd-Jul-2012 12:17 am (UTC)
I wonder when the writer actually went to New Orleans. Yes, there are too many abandoned buildings because of the population shift - but the 'entire neighborhoods looking like a bomb just went off' thing, while true for several years, really isn't now. There's been steady rebuilding, and the only places that look totally hopeless are the ones that are deliberately being left unoccupied .

I mean, it's not like the city isn't still hurting, but it isn't an unsaveable wasteland.
hellaine 22nd-Jul-2012 12:19 am (UTC)
This article sucks but Camden IS a slagpit and has been for quite a while.
babysinclair 22nd-Jul-2012 12:33 am (UTC)
I figured there were some truth hidden about this article with being right about Camden even though West Philly isn't even bad enough to be in this article, North Philly and the Southwest takes that.
erunamiryene 22nd-Jul-2012 12:21 am (UTC)
All I have to say is that I didn't love the Bulls of the Jordan era ... but I'm still a bitter 1990s Jazz fan, so ... you know. XD



Edited at 2012-07-22 12:21 am (UTC)
rex_dart 22nd-Jul-2012 01:05 am (UTC)
The Bulls were my childhood and I still want to be Michael Jordan when I grow up so I hope you'll forgive me if I say

rex_dart 22nd-Jul-2012 01:06 am (UTC)
Headline: big cities and people of color make sheltered suburbanite wet self in fear.
amyura 22nd-Jul-2012 02:54 am (UTC)
This.
ebay313 22nd-Jul-2012 01:25 am (UTC)
I think a lot of other people have done a good job expressing what is off putting about stuff like this. And I think a lot of it comes down to the very simple point that people live in these cities. A lot of the things being said about all the cities up there have been said a lot about Detroit- where I'm from. And I think that simple point is what always annoys the hell out of me about it. Things like how there are certain areas you should just never go to, you won't make it out alive, it's just unthinkable that someone would go there, walk around there. No it's not. Just about everywhere that is said about is somewhere people live. That means people do go there. If you go drive around Detroit for a while, you want to know something you will see? People! You will see people! You will see people going to and from their homes, sitting on their porches, people driving around in cars, people walking on the streets, people waiting at bus stops, et cetera. There are people here. And it's really dehumanizing when people not from the area talk about how no one would dare come here- so what of the people who are here then? I guess we just aren't actual people. Which of course is what so many people think. Especially in places where most people are POC and poor.
Detroit is underpopulated, and that is causing a lot of problems, and there are a lot of abandoned homes and the like, but people do still live here.

And I of course am always very defensive when people who are not from Detroit start talking shit about Detroit. Detroit has a lot of problems, and when I'm with friends and family from Detroit we talk about those problems and we complain and talk about how shitty things are. But it's like family- you don't get to talk shit about it if you aren't from here. And a lot of that is because there are a lot of problems, and a lot of things are really shitty here, but there are a lot of good things here too and even more than that a lot of good PEOPLE here, and a lot of people here who really care, and are passionate and are trying to fix things. And it makes me mad because when people not from here talk shit about Detroit, they overlook those parts and aren't seeing the whole picture. When I talk shit about Detroit, I already know these parts too. And with articles like these it creates misinformation when all people outside the area hear is the bad stuff, especially if you focus on fringe bad stuff. Like a documentary on the city with someone who killed and sold racoons for food I think, and without knowing any better someone not from here gets the idea that everyone in Detroit is eating racoons, instead of recognizing that this is one fringe person in Detroit. You can find someone doing weird shit in any city. But it gets picked up in Detroit and broadcast as if that is the norm here.
kitanabychoice 22nd-Jul-2012 04:42 am (UTC)
Basically everything you said = my thoughts exactly.
othellia 22nd-Jul-2012 01:35 am (UTC)
Cleveland has always had a love/hate relationship with itself. Many who live there call it "the mistake by the lake", but the truth is that it was once a truly great city.

AHAHAHAHAHA.

A truly great city? Excuse me, but the river caught on fire TWELVE FUCKING TIMES before the environmentalism waves of the 60s came. A river. On fire.

My mom used to say that the air was almost yellow at times from all the factories that pumped out god-knows-what into the atmosphere. From a purely financial standpoint, yeah things were better before the steel belt turned into the rust belt, but they weren't happy happy joy joy "great" either.
rex_dart 22nd-Jul-2012 01:57 am (UTC)
but everything was perfect in the 50s and that has to include cleveland
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