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"Health cuts are killing me" Sobbing cancer patient denied treatment tells David Cameron

9:16 am - 08/09/2012
DAVID Cameron was yesterday confronted by a sobbing cancer sufferer demanding to know why he is spending £12billion on aid while she cannot get treatment.

“Anna”, 68, spoke out after figures showed that the NHS faces a third year of cuts despite Mr Cameron’s pledge to keep pumping money into it.

She said she needed a £250,000 course of treatment in Germany because an allergic reaction had forced her to stop her NHS chemotherapy

“Anna” – using a false name because she has not told loved ones she is ill – said in a message recorded for a radio appearance by the PM: “I’m a cancer victim, or patient, waiting for treatment that isn’t on the National Health

“My local health authority is begging charities for my treatment.

"I had my last chemotherapy in May and it is a horrible feeling, waiting for £250,000 when they are giving billions away abroad. It is not fair – I need funding now.”

The squirming PM said extra drugs were being made available and falsely claimed NHS spending was rising.

He said the UK had a “moral obligation to help people in other countries even when times are tough”.

“Anna”, from Finchley, north London, who has non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, later said he should make sure Britons are cared for before trying to solve the world’s problems.

She added: “I would say to him if your family is starving you wouldn’t go and feed your neighbours.”



The PM has angered many in his own party by pledging to increase aid from £9billion to £12billion to meet a UN target of each country contributing 0.7% of its earnings.

When LBC host Nick Ferrari pointed out that many Britons cannot afford to heat their homes he claimed the Government is trying to help them too and pointed to what aid has achieved.

“One thing we’ve done over the last couple of years is invest in vaccines and immunisation for children in the poorest countries,” he said.

“That has probably saved the lives of about three million children.”

But fellow Tories want the PM to freeze or cut aid and three ex-diplomats branded the 0.7% target “irresponsible”.

The Health Department said it was confused by Anna’s account because it sounded as if the treatment she needs should be covered by the cancer drugs fund.

Shadow Health Minister Liz Kendall pulled Mr Cameron up for saying that NHS spending had risen when it had fallen.

She said: “This Government must come clean about the real effect its cuts are having on the NHS.”

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-challenged-on-lbc-radio-1239533

OP: Labour increase funding on the NHS because it was their initiative while the Tories cut funding because they don't like it. Nye Bevan who devised the health service famously said that the Tories were 'lower than vermin'. Further comment would be superfluous.

Anyway we need the money to give to countries overseas that have space programmes to pay for.
polietics 9th-Aug-2012 02:42 pm (UTC)
Anyway we need the money to give to countries overseas that have space programmes to pay for.

With you up to this point - International Aid is vital. Stop reading the Daily Mail. Just because those poor people are in countries other than the UK doesn't mean they're worth less and don't deserve our help.

And besides, Labour cut the NHS into pieces. The Labour that Bevan was a part of is dead - New Labour fucked up mental health care and if you want to hear about problems to do with Labour's health care ask anyone who went through/is going through transitioning. They created the PCTs that have regionalised healthcare.

No defence for any party here, but boosting Labour's record is laughable.
sesmo 9th-Aug-2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
Yes, let's blame foreign aid for the lack of medical funding. Not the military adventures, nor the London Games, nor anything else. It's those pesky foreigners getting our money for irrelevant stuff like family planning, and food. How dare they.

It's hard not to feel sorry for a cancer patient, but Anna appears to believe that she is entitled to a quarter million dollars, and that she deserves it more than those foreigners who get aid.
sesmo 9th-Aug-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
Right you are. A quarter million British pounds. Otherwise, the same argument applies.
mutive 9th-Aug-2012 03:10 pm (UTC)
Yup. Otherwise do agree with the argument. ;)
polietics 9th-Aug-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
This.

Forgive me if I sound like one of those pesky people with sanity, but if we'd just stop renewing our giant death machine then we'd be able to sort the economy and pump money into health and education - and it's education that forwards the frontiers of medicine, after all.
strandedinaber 9th-Aug-2012 05:22 pm (UTC)
Yup. I have so much sympathy for her but seriously, why is it foreign aid people always want to cut? Ugh.
asrana 9th-Aug-2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
Because there's zero chance the recipients of it will vote for you.
anjak_j 9th-Aug-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
Agreed.

I think it is quite arrogant of this woman to believe she's more worthy of the £250,000 than the many people that could be helped in places like the Sahel.
mutive 9th-Aug-2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
These sob stories are a good portion of the reason that a good chunk of the US is convinced that any form of national health care = death to everyone. I dislike them for this reason.

There's a lot missing from this article. The way it's written, poor Anna is going to die over 250K pounds. But we have no idea as to how efficient the treatment she wants is (Would it cure her? Would it prolong her life another 6 months on average? Two months? Do nothing?) It would be good to know this prior to publishing something so inflammatory.
red_pill 9th-Aug-2012 05:54 pm (UTC)
i was thinking this. we know its cost and what its trying to cure, but not how effective or useful. i am sypthetic to people who try to prolong there life, but there is a limit. in the us, its chosen by how wealthy you are, and your insurense componey, and genrely fucks people over. in the uk, it can STILL depend on how wealthy you are, but there is a commitement to a minimum level of ongoing, protetive and curitvie, no just imidately helping, care. witch is more then can be said for the us.
mutive 9th-Aug-2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm sympathetic to people trying to prolong their lives, too. I just had a friend die of a rare cancer, and it's really tough to watch someone you love die, being unable to do anything. But there's a point where you have to say, "Look, is this really doing anything useful?" (And even if it is, is it doing something useful enough to be worth the cost.)

It does suck that the wealthy are *always* going to get better treatment. But it also sucks that kids die because they don't get enough food. At some point, I am inclined to say, "I'm really sorry, but life isn't fair." It's hard to tell here. But it would not surprise me if the treatment she wants isn't covered precisely because it is expensive and not super effective. (And so while I can see her desperately wanting to try it anyway, it may also make sense for the government to say "no".)
mephisto5 9th-Aug-2012 03:57 pm (UTC)
...well this is a load of uncited, racist bullshit.

NHS funding is going to remain roughly the same, year on year, in real terms throughout the coalition. The coalition has cut the rate of increase in NHS funding, NOT NHS funding itself.

Yes, I guess it's sad that this cancer patient won't get funding for an unspecified treatment in Germany, but I'd have a lot more confidence in this article if it actually stated what that treatment was and whether it conformed to NICE guidelines for effectiveness etc.

I'd also have a lot more sympathy were I not in my 14th month of waiting to even get a first appointment at a gender identity clinic and were it not exceedingly likely that I'll have to write begging letters to the local council to get my ~£120 /month hormone treatment and ~£5000 top surgery - never mind that the provision of both is mandated by NHS guidelines, councils still try and block them. Seems like the only time money limits/waiting lists matter is when they affect cis people.

Anyway, foreign aid money is basically a drop in bucket- but one that can make a massive differnce to millions elsewhere. I'm happy to have some of my tax money spent on vaccinating kids. It doesn't go nearly far enough in repairing all the damage our country's caused worldwide, but it's better than nothing.
poetic_pixie_13 9th-Aug-2012 04:08 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I'm sorry about the wait for an appointment, bb. I hope you can get all that you need soon.

Generally illness only matters if it's affecting white, straight cis people, this is true. =/
polietics 9th-Aug-2012 04:22 pm (UTC)
*a trillion cuddles*
jettakd 9th-Aug-2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
Sending you the best wishes for your progress.
octoberstarlite 3rd-Sep-2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
They may be keeping their funding level but trusts are having to repay massive amounts of money in instalments that are impossible and are crippling under this govt and so massive cuts are being made just so they can meet the govt payments and just so the coalition can say they aren't cutting the NHS budget. My auntie works for the Aneurin Bevan trust and is involved in all of this and just cried her eyes out the other day about it and how terrified she is for the future of the trust. She said it wont last much longer, a trust in the name of the man who created this wonderful system. It's a disgrace. I wont argue that Labour is better, all 3 disgust me with the way their treating this service and people aren't aware of just what is really going on. I don't trust the bloody lot of them.
poetic_pixie_13 9th-Aug-2012 04:05 pm (UTC)
Cut to healthcare are bad and do fuck up peoples lives and can, yes, lead to people dying necessarily.

But the thing about government budgets is that they spend money on lots of things. Perhaps instead of cutting foreign aid there are other things that aren't needed. Like that gaudy mess of security at the London Olympics.
its_anya 9th-Aug-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
She can fuck right off if she thinks that there's more of a moral obligation to spend £250,000 on her than there is to save thousands upon thousands of lives in other countries. She's a racist fuck and I have no sympathy.
asrana 9th-Aug-2012 08:01 pm (UTC)
Wow, you're showing yourself to be just as insensitive as her, here. She's wrong and she's being racist, but she's clearly also dying and terrified of dying. Being desperate makes people stop thinking straight. Having zero sympathy for someone in that situation doesn't reflect any better on you than her statements did on her.
rebness 9th-Aug-2012 09:27 pm (UTC)
This. Jesus Christ.
onyx_obsidian 10th-Aug-2012 05:42 am (UTC)
Yes. Thank you for saying it.
violetrose 9th-Aug-2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
She's right about NHS funding cuts being dangerous, and deadly. However, her kvetching about foreign aid is racist and stupid. There are plenty of things the Government needlessly spends money on; Trident, the mess that is much of the Olympics, and so on. Not to mention the fact that many companies are allowed to get away with tax evasion and avoidance, which costs the country billions each year.

So, I certainly have sympathy for her, but her view that cutting foreign aid is the way to go is ridiculous and uninformed.
ruby_chalice 9th-Aug-2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
God almighty the amount of tossers moaning about foreign aid lately. Why not point your racist fingers at the 'defence' budget, the big hitters who exploit tax avoidance schemes, fucking royal state occasions, ministerial 'perks' ... ????

Cancer's awful. But I wonder how long this treatment would realistically extend this woman's life? The unpalatable truth is that the NHS does not have infinite resources. :(
jettakd 9th-Aug-2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
I realize I'm a foreigner, but wouldn't it be more practical to complain about the unnecessary things that taxpayers have had to chip into in the passed few years like the royal wedding, the diamond jubilee, and all of the excesses of the Games?
violetrose 9th-Aug-2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
It would. But attacking foreigners is so much easier than taking a look at ourselves and our Government.
stormqueen280 9th-Aug-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
That would require logic and critical thinking. And a bit of good sense.
rebness 9th-Aug-2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
But... but... the royals! Bunting! Celebration! Fuck the dying and foreign aid, tbh.
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