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Kansas Doctor May Lose License For Refusing To Force 10-Year-Old To Birth

11:24 pm - 08/10/2012


The Kansas State Board of Healing Arts, the governing body that regulates the practice of medicine in the state, stripped the medical license of a woman who refused to force a mentally-ill 10 year old to give birth.

As Robin Marty reports, Dr. Ann Neuhaus became the target of domestic terror group Operation Rescue after her colleague, Dr. George Tiller, was murdered. Neuhaus assisted Tiller by providing second opinions for mental health exceptions for late-term abortions.

Operation Rescue filed a negligence complaint against Neuhaus alleging that her exams were not thorough enough to support her medical conclusions and her follow-up care was inadequate because she did not recommend counseling or hospitalization after each procedure.

Neuhaus offered a rebuttal of her own. “To even claim that isn’t medically necessary qualifies as gross incompetence,” said Neuhaus. “Someone’s 10 years old, and they were raped by their uncle and they understand that they’ve got a baby growing in their stomach and they don’t want that. You’re going to send this girl for a brain scan and some blood work and put her in a hospital?”

Like other states Kansas has made recent attempts to stack their medical review board with anti-choice advocates like former Operation Rescue attorney Richard Macias. When hearing the case against Dr. Neuhaus, the board offered up their own expert to determine if any breach of the standard of care occurred. Not surprisingly, the witnessed insisted that in no cases is abortion a treatment that could be seen as beneficial to a patient’s mental health, further clouding the waters as to the kind of care girls and women can expect in the state of Kansas.

Nuehaus will appeal the ruling. If she loses she will have her license permanently revoked.

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qable 11th-Aug-2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
I think Dr. Neuhaus made the right call. A pregnant ten year old who doesn't want to be pregnant should not be required to give birth.
sestree 11th-Aug-2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
She did. I was around when a mentally disabled woman was forced to carry and give birth. Here she was in pain for reasons she didn't understand and certainly didn't want to expect. From what I was told (by a medical worker who really needed to unload) it was brutal. No therapeutic abortion though - oh hell no. Much more humane to cause the torture and pain.

This is Kansas. I left for a reason and it wasn't just because the weather can get reallll scary.
aznlax39 11th-Aug-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
The US justice system was not set up for your gross, assbackwards, fuckwitting undermining of obvious judgment calls, Kansas.
yackyackyack 12th-Aug-2012 03:15 am (UTC)
Not to undermine, the topic, but I love your icon. :)
makemerun 11th-Aug-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
Fucking gross.

Did anyone hear about how the AP has gotten in on this bullshit? Rachel Maddow mentioned it on her show last week, but I don't remember seeing anything about it here. Apparently the AP published an article where they literally said that the reason George Tiller was murdered was because he wasn't "brought to justice" by the attorney general for his actions. The AP.

Seriously, fuck everything.
maladaptive 11th-Aug-2012 11:36 pm (UTC)
Brought to justice for... performing totally legal actions?

WTF?
cinnamontoast 12th-Aug-2012 12:50 pm (UTC)
I hope that some of the people who describe themselves as "pro-life" just because they 'don't like abortions' see things like this and begin to understand the concept of choice. There are a LOT of people out there that are skewing the opinion polls right now. They think that they are "pro-life" and they are being lumped in with these nut-bags.

I'd like to see the polls worded like this:

Do you support:
a. A woman's right to make private medical decisions with her doctor without the interference of the state.
b. Uninhibited legal enforcement of pregnancy.

Let's even this whole language thing up a bit.

I can't believe we have to do this All. Over. Again.
lightbird777 11th-Aug-2012 10:27 pm (UTC)
I wonder what happened to the uncle who raped this little girl. Like, has he been arrested? Prosecuted? My money's on he's walking around free and these assholes don't give a shit.
moonbladem 11th-Aug-2012 11:06 pm (UTC)
I was wondering about the uncle too. Please tell me he's at least been arrested. That monster should be behind bars.
thesilverymoon 11th-Aug-2012 10:27 pm (UTC)
Ugh, sometimes I fucking hate my state.
sestree 11th-Aug-2012 11:24 pm (UTC)
Remember the Summer of Mercy where Pro Life groups drug their kids in the street to block George Tiller's Clinic?

It makes me weep for my previous home.
_starsinmyeyes_ 11th-Aug-2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
Wait, in Kansas it's possible to force someone to give birth???
oudeteron 11th-Aug-2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
“To even claim that isn’t medically necessary qualifies as gross incompetence,” said Neuhaus. “Someone’s 10 years old, and they were raped by their uncle and they understand that they’ve got a baby growing in their stomach and they don’t want that. You’re going to send this girl for a brain scan and some blood work and put her in a hospital?”

Neuhaus sounds fucking awesome. You know, it's so enraging that doctors who are actually capable of doing the right thing are the ones who find themselves in danger of losing their licence. What the fuck else could she have done here, put the 10-year-old rape survivor through more trauma? Trauma there was an obvious way to avoid?

Pro-lifers are just such scum. If punishing someone who was raped with an unwanted pregnancy or taking revenge on a doctor who won't stand for it is their code of "ethics"...
simplefaith08 11th-Aug-2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
Never has their been a more blatant illustration of the mindset of "fight for the children when they're in the uterus but to hell with 'em once they're born." It's already gross when you want to make people give birth, but I can't even comprehend how spiteful you'd have to be to try and get someone's license revoked because they helped a 10-year-old rape survivor.

Needless to say, I hope she wins her appeal.
cerseilannister 11th-Aug-2012 11:16 pm (UTC)
how horrible. this poor little girl :(
johnjie 11th-Aug-2012 11:18 pm (UTC)
I can't believe that anyone would think that forcing a ten year old to give birth was in any way, shape or form a good idea.

This doctor made the right decision, and I hope what happens to her reflects that.
mollywobbles867 11th-Aug-2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
It seems like she was fired for not jumping through all the ridiculous and unnecessary hoops they've put in place and the eleven year old girl is an example of the type of patient she would do that for. I read this article earlier this week, so I've had time to read it calmly.
evilgmbethy 11th-Aug-2012 11:59 pm (UTC)
I hate pro-lifers. I legit have zero tolerance for them whatsoever.
violetrose 12th-Aug-2012 12:24 am (UTC)
I call most of them anti-choice tbh, as the movement itself doesn't seem to care about life after the kid is born.

However, I do differentiate between people who don't like/agree with abortion, and those who want it criminalised. And it seems 'pro-life' for many means you don't like abortion, not necessarily that you want it to be illegal, because these sorts of groups have successfully turned pro-choice into a term that means 'abort all the foetuses!'
tabaqui 12th-Aug-2012 12:06 am (UTC)
The anti-abortion fuckheads in Kansas are out of control. Fuck them *so very much*.
violetrose 12th-Aug-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
tbh if you think it's okay to force a child rape victim to give birth, you fucking suck at being a decent, compassionate human being.
moonshaz 13th-Aug-2012 05:22 am (UTC)
This. SOOOOO fucking much.
nicosian 12th-Aug-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
I hope she wins this appeal, but IMO its absurd that a group can expect to jam themselves between the patient and doctor. Why, do Kansas doctors have to do an exam and present the case in a theatre for voting next?

Its damn well why when the antichoicers were out a month ago on my street I gleefully told each one of them to fuck right off as I went by.

nonnycat 12th-Aug-2012 12:51 am (UTC)
This is sickening.

CSB time.

So my mom is a nurse, and my folks are nominally pro-life. At least that's how they identify, though they don't believe that the gov't should legislate on their beliefs. But they'll trot out the ".... but using for birth control!" crap and *sigh* ANYWAY.

When I was 13 or so... we frequently talked politics and stuff at the dinner table... Mom talked about a co-worker who came to her for advice because he knew she was a devout Christian. His 11yo daughter was pregnant (mental illness wasn't a factor; I don't know the circumstances, nor are they really relevant), and he logically knew as a medical professional that she was not physically nor emotionally ready for pregnancy, childbirth, OR a child. But he was struggling with his religious beliefs.

I remember very clearly my mom saying how she told him to get it done, because God would care what was best for that little girl. That He would understand and forgive. That we all do crappy things in this world that are necessary and God does not have a heart of stone. (And, well, then the medical-based spiel of "HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CONSIDER LETTING YOUR DAUGHTER GO THROUGH THIS????")

I do not fucking understand people that are arguing for this doctor to have her license revoked when what she's done has ensured that little girl's quality of life. What the FUCK people. Why the HELL do you want to torture a little girl even more than she already has been?
romp 12th-Aug-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
I do not fucking understand people that are arguing for this doctor to have her license revoked when what she's done has ensured that little girl's quality of life. What the FUCK people. Why the HELL do you want to torture a little girl even more than she already has been?

I hoep the court sees this the same way.
koken23 12th-Aug-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
Jesus fuck. She's ten years old.

There's no way she consented to this. There's no way she could possibly be ready, emotionally or physically or in any way at all. If you make her give birth before her hips have developed into their adult configuration, it might well kill her.

Good on this doctor.
baked_goldfish 12th-Aug-2012 04:36 am (UTC)
How is it pro-life to force a 10 year old child to give birth? The younger the mom, the higher the mortality rate, once you've gotten down into the teen years. A 10 year old body is not built for successful birth, even if the child in question can technically get pregnant. This is pro-death. I'm done calling these people anti-choice. They're pro-death, plain and simple.

Edited at 2012-08-12 04:36 am (UTC)
bestdaywelived 12th-Aug-2012 02:01 pm (UTC)
I think it's been established that pro-lifers don't give a shit about women except in our incubator function. It's more about controlling the bodies of women, and sometimes girls. Even child rape victims.

I hope that her uncle is doing at least 20 years for this crime.
antique_faery 12th-Aug-2012 07:03 am (UTC)
So fucking disgusting. This "doctor" better lose their license. Oh, and fuck them!
sankaku_atama 12th-Aug-2012 05:10 pm (UTC)
Um...I think you might have misread.
coraki 12th-Aug-2012 08:38 am (UTC)
Forcing children to have children? Even if she was mentally sound, it's seriously messed up.

I feel so bad for this little girl. I hope she is able to find some mental health consoling.

As for the uncle, hope Katherine Heigl finds him in her cutting shears sights. Disgusting (can't find the proper word to describe him). Pond scum is better than he is.
doverz 12th-Aug-2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
Wow, this is absolutely disgusting that there are people out there who would force a 10 year old girl who is not ready physically and wanting her to give birth especially after she was raped.

I hate the world.
antique_faery 12th-Aug-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
Ahhh! Read the article wrong. This is disgusting that they're going to take away their license for refusing to force this little girl to give birth! I should probably sleep before I come on here.

Edited at 2012-08-12 06:10 pm (UTC)
huit 13th-Aug-2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
"Operation Rescue filed a negligence complaint against Neuhaus alleging that her exams were not thorough enough to support her medical conclusions and her follow-up care was inadequate because she did not recommend counseling or hospitalization after each procedure."

Can we highlight this part too? Since they revoked her license on some loophole of "negligence" charges and many of the commenters here seem to have missed that point.

I don't know what the recommended medical and counseling process is post-abortion, or if it is actually mandated in Kansas (this articles isn't very clearly worded on that point), but all this sounds like just another way to make abortion as legally inconvenient and costly as possible for both women and their doctors.

*edit for spelling

Edited at 2012-08-13 03:11 pm (UTC)
365reasonswhy 13th-Aug-2012 03:20 pm (UTC)
Disgusting. How can they put the well-being of a fetus above the well-being of a child this blatantly and still claim to be about protecting children? I will never understand it.
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