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Video captures Michigan man's shooting by police

6:57 pm - 08/17/2012



Saginaw, Michigan (CNN) -- Three days before Independence Day, Milton Hall died in a fusillade of police gunfire outside a strip mall.

He had been arguing with officers in a parking lot next to a shuttered Chinese restaurant when he was shot, in full view of passing motorists and while he was holding some sort of knife. Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas said later that the squad of police confronting him opened fire "because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police."

Thomas' office and the Michigan State Police are investigating Hall's death. Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person" with "a long history" of contacts with law enforcement, "not only with police from our department but with the county."

Hall's cousin, Mike Washington, acknowledged Hall had been jailed for minor offenses like vagrancy in the past, but, "He was not violent." And Hall's mother is growing impatient with the probe and questions why police opened fire so furiously on her son, whom she said was mentally ill.

"It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," Jewel Hall told CNN from her hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. "There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal."

Jewel Hall said her son had once trained as a civil right activist, been an avid reader and played football. He had lived in Saginaw for 35 years and received Social Security disability payments for a mental illness, but, "He knew his rights."

"Everybody knew him. The police knew him well," she said. "So that's another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?"

The July 1 shooting happened in a parking lot on West Genessee Avenue, a busy commercial strip on the north side of Saginaw. In a video purchased by CNN, shot by a motorist from across the street, the 49-year-old Hall is seen arguing with a half-dozen officers. For more than three minutes, he walks back and forth, and at one time appears to crouch in a "karate stance," according to the man who captured the scene.

Police said Hall had just had a run-in with a convenience store clerk. On the video, he tells police, "My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I'm p---ed off." When an officer tells him to put the knife down, he responds, "I ain't putting s--t down." He appears unimpressed by a police dog, telling officers, "Let him go. Let the motherf---ing dog go."

Finally, he turns to the left of the frame, where another officer had moved out of view a short time earlier. It's then that the police open fire with a reported 46 shots in a five-second hail of bullets.

"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," Jewel Hall said. "I just don't understand that. It's a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?"

She questioned why none of the cameras in the police cars at the scene recorded the shooting -- "none of them work."

"So that's the question I have and the community has is, what's taking so long?" she said. "Why is not being transparent?"

Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" that the video is "a perceptive nightmare" for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers.

"This wasn't a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction," he said.

But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. "One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second," he said. "The public doesn't know this because they don't do this for a living."

Neither state police nor the prosecutor's office would comment on the investigation. In a written statement to CNN, the state police said, "Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one."

But Saginaw City Councilman Norman Braddock, who also has criticized the pace of the investigation, said the probe should be a "top priority."

When CNN showed Braddock the video, which he hadn't seen before, he said, "This is disturbing."

"I can see what people are traumatized at, looking at something like that," Braddock said. "We need answers."

Jewel Hall said her family is conducting its own investigation into the shooting, "and at the end of that investigation we will decide what next steps to take with our legal advisors."


From Jason Carroll and Sheila Steffen, CNN
updated 5:44 PM EDT, Fri August 17, 2012



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suwiel 18th-Aug-2012 03:15 am (UTC)
What the fuck? This makes me so sad.
lovedforaday 18th-Aug-2012 03:23 am (UTC)
The ableism and racism tags might apply to this, too.
bex 18th-Aug-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
46 shots fired in 5 seconds?! Holy shit! So basically every cop present just unloaded their weapons into this guy. I'm not gonna watch the video because I just... can't.
tiddlywinks103 18th-Aug-2012 03:52 am (UTC)
Geeez, and we really need to make an official outside department who's job it is to really investigate these murders, one with no ties or stake in finding the police dept innocent. Right now, it's like asking the corrupt bank to investigate its own instances of corruption, and report back, if they did something wrong. This is happening too much, both in the news, and from personal stories I've been hearing from friends/family in the past few months.
lovedforaday 18th-Aug-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
I saw this on both HLN and CNN earlier today. It's ridiculous that the police can execute a man and, most likely, nothing will happen to any of them.
ebay313 18th-Aug-2012 04:18 am (UTC)
I can certainly understand why someone holding a knife would be seen as dangerous, but one thing I wonder reading this- why couldn't something like a taser be used in this situation? Something that would protect police preventing him from using the knife against any of them and most likely not be lethal. Isn't that what tasers were meant for? Instead of tasing people as punishment and with no real good reason and killing people in situations like this?
lovedforaday 18th-Aug-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
some former cop on HLN said that you have to be within 15 feet of a person for a taser to be effective, and if they attempted to get that close, he could have charged at them.
bellonia 18th-Aug-2012 04:30 am (UTC)
...and that's still the exact situation Tasers are recommended for.
pepsquad 18th-Aug-2012 04:44 am (UTC)
21 feet is the magic number that a healthy human can cover in a second that isn't time to draw any gun or even pull the trigger with accuracy.
tsaraven 18th-Aug-2012 01:08 pm (UTC)
So there's no reason for tasers then? I'm on board.
tnganon 19th-Aug-2012 12:54 am (UTC)
oh no anything but that!
tnganon 19th-Aug-2012 12:53 am (UTC)
why is the focus always on protecting the police? it's (supposedly) their job to protect us. the man didn't even attack them, was up against a bunch of police officers, and only carrying a knife.
ebay313 19th-Aug-2012 05:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, they are supposed to protect us from things like people waving knives around in public. And I think it's reasonable for them to not be killed while doing that.
tnganon 19th-Aug-2012 05:58 am (UTC)
"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," Jewel Hall said. "I just don't understand that. It's a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?"

you think this is reasonable?

police sign up for this, and they know they're likely to be in danger as part of their job. civilians don't sign up for being shot by the police because they're poc or mentally ill or both. so yeah, excuse me if i think it's cowardly for them to put their own safety far, far ahead of the people they're "protecting".

i'm not saying they can't defend themselves, but they have a responsibility imo to put civilians first. and this wasn't self-defence by any stretch of the imagination, this was murder.

Edited at 2012-08-19 05:59 am (UTC)
ebay313 19th-Aug-2012 06:04 am (UTC)
I never said this was reasonable. In fact pretty clearly indicated that I do not think this was reasonable. There are other ways they could have disarmed him without putting the police lives in danger. I was responding to your comment suggesting that the safety of police should not be a factor. Police sign up for it for a dangerous job but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have any expectation of being able to stay safe and ALIVE while doing their job. There is nothing wrong with police intervening with someone wielding a knife in public and disarming them in a non-lethal way that still takes police safety into consideration.
aerdran 18th-Aug-2012 04:38 am (UTC)
No words. None. Gods.
emeraldus 18th-Aug-2012 08:28 am (UTC)
Sounds like these cops get the same kind of firearm training as Portland cops do.
furrygreen 18th-Aug-2012 11:27 am (UTC)
Wow. That's horrific! D:
eswnrtm 18th-Aug-2012 05:34 pm (UTC)
Wow, this is so fucked up on so many levels. Even if the six of them were justified to feel threatened, why immediately shoot to kill? SMH.
fenris_lorsrai 18th-Aug-2012 07:01 pm (UTC)
I saw the video earlier a vehicle passes between right as they open fire, but right before that, he actually appears to be moving AWAY from police, rather than toward.

also you can hear them yelling that they have a police dog with them to, so its odd they did not send the dog first. He was yelling he wasn't afraid of the dog, but the force the dog would have hit him with and held him... yeah, he would have been wounded and down. at that range charging police dog probably would have gotten his arm before he could do much about it.

so resorting to the barrage of firearms... WTF cops.
moonbladem 18th-Aug-2012 09:39 pm (UTC)
"... he actually appears to be moving AWAY from police, rather than toward."

That's what I saw on the video. He was moving away from the cops, and somehow, that was enough reason for all of them to empty their guns into Mr Hall. Let alone the use of excessive force... what about unjustified use of excessive force? And did every single one of those cops fail at target practice, that not one of them was able to, at the range they were at from Mr Hall, disable him with a shot to a shoulder, enough for him to drop the knife, as opposed to... oh I don't know... killing him?
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