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Poly-Baiting: Why We Need a More Inclusive LGBTQ Movement

12:39 pm - 08/20/2012

Poly-Baiting: Why We Need a More Inclusive LGBTQ Movement

by Vivienne Chen

Anti-LGBTQ campaigners have often used the issue of polyamory–or rather, a twisted media presentation of “polygamy,” which is distinct from ethical nonmonogamy and polyamory–as a slippery slope argument against LGBTQ equality, particularly when it comes to marriage.

The worse thing is? LGBTQ activists left and right take the bait.

Just take a minute and watch this short video. Trigger Warning: Rick Santorum. (As usual, santorum is full of shit.)




Notice the crowd’s reaction to his statements.

Santorum: Are we saying that everyone has the right to marry?
Crowd: Yes!
Santorum: So anyone can marry anybody else?
Crowd: Yes!
Santorum: So anybody can marry several people?
Crowd: *mutterings and incoherent babbles of ‘No!’*

Cut to Santorum getting booed off the stage.


The problem is Santorum is right. Did I just say that? (This is where I say things that not everyone in the LGBTQ community agrees with, so my post should not be used as a monolithic representation of LGBTQ activism.)



He’s right in the sense that once we realize it’s stupid to keep any two loving, consenting adults apart, we may start wondering whether it’s equally stupid to keep 3 or more loving, consenting adults apart. However, he’s totally wrong in assuming that the latter is necessarily a bad thing, and thus deserves to be booed at any opportunity.

But before we go any further, I’d like to clarify that this argument isn’t about marriage. Talking about marriage rights assumes that legal marriage recognition is the goal of most LGBTQ and most polyamorous/nonmonogamous (poly/NM) people, which is simply not true. It also opens the door for discussing the logistical barriers to institutionalizing poly relationships, which is a separate conversation. Instead, I am discussing here the general acceptance in society for the concept of a non-straight or non-monogamous partnership/relationship.

Just as Santorum fears, I believe entirely in the possibility of a “slippery slope” between queer and poly/NM relationship acceptance. However, I challenge the fundamental assumptions underlying the so-called “dangerousness” of this slope. After all, not too long ago in history, a relationship was about the marital union of one man and one man’s property colloquially known as a woman. Then, we as a society redefined relationships between men and women to be about love and commitment as equals, with or without marriage. Now, we are fighting for a genderless distinction.

But if LGBTQ activists continue to say that relationships are really about committing to the people we love regardless of gender, race, creed, etc., then maybe society should allow us to commit to the people (plural) we love. Note the assumption here: I believe it is, in fact, possible for some people to love more than one person.

The fact is that the struggles of the poly/NM community are not unfamiliar to the LGBTQ world. Couples in open relationships have lost their jobs and even custody of their children after people around them outed them as polyamorous. Sound familiar?

By distancing themselves and trying to divorce their struggle from the struggle of the poly/NM community, LGBTQ progressives end up throwing another sexual minority–indeed, a minority within their own minority–under the bus (A significant contingency of the poly/NM community is queer/bi and vice versa). Those who oppose progressive social movements have used this tactic countless times before–divide and conquer. I’d say something trite about how we are only as strong as we are united, but you get the point.

In order to build a more inclusive LGBTQ equality/acceptance movement, we as activists need to learn how to combat the poly-baiting that occurs on the opponent’s side. Regardless of your own personal opinions about the feasibility or acceptability of an open or non-monogamous relationship, we need to have the language to call out anti-equality bigots on their bullshit and false logical assumptions every time they make a “LGBTQ relationships = polyamory (= bestiality = total sexual depravity)” comment.

I offer you this script as only one example of how to respond to someone when they make these claims:

When you try to analogize LGBTQ relationships with multiple relationships, you falsely assume that the idea of polyamory will spark an outrage that will force us to alienate another group. You’re using polyamory as a straw man to avoid dealing with the fact that our Bill of Rights makes it impossible for you to ignore that LGBT relationships are as legitimate as heterosexual relationships.

(Edit: And if they even dare go into the “man on dog” bestiality comparison, please kindly refer them to this graphic, How to Explain Gay Rights to an Idiot.) If you aren’t squeamish about standing behind a poly-inclusive LGBT movement you can also add: “Your belief that LGBTQ equality will lead to acceptance of polyamory is right. It could. And it should.”

Coming soon to EqualWrites: How To Be An Ally to Polyamorous/Non-Monogamous People, and a guide on all the terms Poly/NM people use and what they mean!




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(OP: I know this is an old article, but since ontd_p has... not done well with poly issues in the past, I thought this might be a good starting point. What do you think? Can LGBTQIA activists and poly activists work together on common issues, or will queer poly people continue to be thrown under the bus? also, tag suggestions very welcome!)


Edited to try and fix html. siiiigh

zaure 20th-Aug-2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
No, it doesn't. I do find it interesting, though, that any discussion of asexuality or poly-ness causes people to talk about the straight people first. There's no specifying in the article that she's only referring to straight poly relationships. It's kind of heteronormative to laser focus on 'but the straight ones aren't oppressed', and erases any issues queer poly or asexual people have with the greater LGBT community by only talking about straight people.
rex_dart 20th-Aug-2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
She doesn't have to refer only to straight poly relationships; she is referring to ALL poly relationships, which includes straight ones, and then implies that ALL poly people, including cis straight ones, face marginalization comparable to homophobia and transphobia. That is a problem, and it is not at all heteronormative to point it out.
zaure 20th-Aug-2012 09:31 pm (UTC)
I don't believe straight non-monogamous people are oppressed on the level queers are.

On the other hand, I do think it's problematic to, in any discussion of non-monogamous issues, completely erase queer people who are non-monogamous. Especially when the fight to present LGBT people as 'normal' means that they are implicitly told by a community that is supposed to accept them that they should hide parts of themselves. Oppression, no, but a problem? Yeah. And saying 'oh, but the STRAIGHTS' completely ignores that.
rex_dart 20th-Aug-2012 09:34 pm (UTC)
This is not "any discussion" of non-monogamous issues. This is a discussion in which it is stated as the main argument of the piece that queer people as a group are obligated to take up the cause of poly people as a group because of a shared oppression that does not actually exist. It is not erasing anyone to point out that this is not an all right thing to say, because it would not be all right whether or not some queer people are poly.
silver_sandals 20th-Aug-2012 09:44 pm (UTC)
Feminists are supposed to fight for the rights of all women, so why shouldn't queer activists fight for the rights of all queer people?

In any case, there is no obligation. There is an obligation, however, not to erase poly queer people from the conversation by saying it's 'normal' for two people of the same gender to marry but three is wrong and going down a slippery slope.
rex_dart 20th-Aug-2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
Saying that gay marriage does not lead to polygamy is not erasure, and it is not condemnation. It is a statement of fact. Using the term "slippery slope" to describe the connection is just as offensive to queer people as anyone else because these things are unrelated and not on any kind of slope together at all. They're not even in the same mountain range.
stalkedbychibis 20th-Aug-2012 09:52 pm (UTC)
^this^
girly123 21st-Aug-2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
In genuine curiosity, how can a polyamorous relationship be straight? Barring polygamy (which is already wort of legal and therefore not really the point of this convo), by virtue of combining three or more people (who all ostensibly are attracted to oneanother,) it kind of winds up dictating that the relationship, or at least a portion of the relationship, is queer.
rex_dart 21st-Aug-2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
Not all poly relationships are between multiple people who all have relationships with each other. In my experience (including my own personal experience), most are actually between multiple people who have separate relationships from each other in some regard. Of course, I couldn't give you solid numbers on that, but it does happen frequently. The article links to a story about three straight people in a poly relationship when it's comparing poly oppression to homophobia, and the article is very explicit that the people are straight and the men are actually grossed out by each other.
girly123 21st-Aug-2012 03:49 pm (UTC)
Ah. That runs contrary to my own experience, which is probably why I was so confused.
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