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Todd Akin, Paul Ryan, and Redefining Rape

3:09 pm - 08/20/2012


On Sunday, Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), who is challenging Sen. Claire McCaskill in the Missouri Senate race, used an interview with a local television station to defend his belief that abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape: He claimed that women who are the victims of "legitimate rape" are unlikely to become pregnant. Akin said that the female body has "biological defenses" that prevent rape victims from getting pregnant. (That's not true.) The implication of his position is that if you were raped and became pregnant, you must have actually wanted it—it wasn't really rape.

This isn't the first time Akin has expressed fringe views about rape in the context of the abortion debate. Last year, Akin, vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and most of the House GOP co-sponsored a bill that would have narrowed the already-narrow exceptions to the laws banning federal funding for abortion—from all cases of rape to cases of "forcible rape."

After I reported on the "forcible rape" language in January 2011, a wave of outcry from abortion rights, progressive, and women's groups led the Republicans to remove it. But a few months later, in a congressional committee report, Republicans wrote that they believed the bill would continue to have the same effect despite the absence of the "forcible" language.

So why was the "forcible" language so important? Pro-life advocates believed they needed to include the word "forcible" in the law to preempt what National Right to Life Committee lobbyist Doug Johnson called a "brazen" effort by Planned Parenthood and other groups to obtain federal funding for abortions for any teenager by (falsely) claiming statutory rape. Abortion rights groups, Johnson warned, wanted to "federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers." Richard Doerflinger, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops'* top anti-abortion lobbyist, echoed Johnson in congressional testimony, arguing that the "forcible" language was "an effort on the part of the sponsors to prevent the opening of a very broad loophole for federally funded abortions for any teenager." Planned Parenthood flatly denied having a plan to open up such a loophole.

The idea that women who are "legitimate" rape victims can't get pregnant has currency in some corners of the fringe right. Akin embraces it. Does he embrace the conspiracy theory about the need for the "forcible rape" language, too?

*The name of the organization has been corrected.

By Nick Baumann, Sunday August 19th, 2012 3:21 PM PDT


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I think we're way overdue for a "war on women" tag. :)

Edited to add: We've got the tag! :D
erunamiryene 21st-Aug-2012 04:29 am (UTC)
The idea that women who are "legitimate" rape victims can't get pregnant has currency in some corners of the fringe right.

Except, it's not the fringe. Look at pretty much every mainstream Republican's stance on rape. It's all variations on a theme of "if you don't meet [x requirement], it wasn't real'".

When you have an article of this length with this many references, it's not fringe anymore, sorry.
violetrose 21st-Aug-2012 08:16 am (UTC)
Yes, exactly.

The idea that some rape victims are innocent and undeserving of the crime, whereas others deserve it, has been around for a long time. Particularly when it comes to think things like date rape, rape by ones partner or spouse, etc.

I suspect that anti-abortion groups and many Republicans have believed this for a very long time - it's just now being brought to the forefront of media attention.

So basically, anti-choicers are horrible people who believe horrible things.
fierceleaf 21st-Aug-2012 05:13 am (UTC)
How can he be both an Ayn Rand fan and religious zealot on the same time?
littledivinity 21st-Aug-2012 05:20 am (UTC)
He only took the, "be a selfish asshole" part of Ayn Rand to heart?
romp 21st-Aug-2012 05:58 am (UTC)
Rand disliked Christ for his stance on poverty...and Ryan likes him despite it?
beoweasel 21st-Aug-2012 06:55 am (UTC)
Look at Glen Beck. It's about cherry picking parts of your ideology to fit your world view.
premor 21st-Aug-2012 08:36 am (UTC)
Never mind that - how can you be an Ayn Rand fan and anti-choice to begin with?

Paul Ryan cosponsored a bill defining fertilized eggs as human beings, which his idol Ayn Rand thought was 'vicious nonsense' and she clearly supports abortion rights, saying An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
romp 21st-Aug-2012 05:39 am (UTC)
I think we're way overdue for a "war on women" tag. :)

That occurred to me a few months ago.
-cosigned
evilgmbethy 21st-Aug-2012 08:27 am (UTC)
yep, +1
evilgmbethy TW: rape21st-Aug-2012 08:31 am (UTC)
the "forcible" qualifier to "rape" seems redundant. Rape by it's very definition is forced. Do lawmakers realize by trying to divide it up that they're putting across the message that a woman has to look like she's been in a violent brawl to know she's been raped? Are women expected to physically fight as much as possible, even though it could get them badly injured or killed?

A family friend was raped earlier this year when she went on a date with a guy from match.com, and when my mom told me about it, she said that the police told her that it was good she had bruises and injuries, because then people would believe it and a conviction was more likely. So that's where we are as a society -- grateful for physical injury, otherwise that rapist will walk. Disgusting. Really sick of living in a world that hates women.
muizenstaartje Re: TW: rape21st-Aug-2012 08:45 am (UTC)
That's horrible. Horrible that she was raped and horrible that she was told she was lucky, because she got additional physical injuries.
This is not how it should be.
thelilyqueen Re: TW: rape21st-Aug-2012 01:05 pm (UTC)
Yep, we are, because at least then we would have died 'defending our honor' or somesuch. Or angels would come and save us. Take your pick.

It is, I have to admit, easier to prove that whatever happened was not consensual if there are physical injuries. Unless it was caught on tape, witnessed, etc. threats and other sorts of coercion don't leave evidence that can be entered into a court register. I'm not sure how to get around that.

What needs to stop right. fecking. now. is the assumption that rape victims are lying, and in particular the framing of underage girls as 'Lolitas' who seduced those poor, bewildered 50 year old men.
amyura 21st-Aug-2012 11:23 am (UTC)
Do they not get that minors are incapable of consenting? There's a reason statutory rape is on the books.
carmy_w 21st-Aug-2012 01:30 pm (UTC)
Yes, but to these assholes, it doesn't count once the female reaches menarche, regardless of her age. After that, she needs a chastity belt.
metatrix 21st-Aug-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
yes, but technically it's more complicated than that. In most states minors are capable of consenting to sex with someone who is close in age. So if a 16 year old girl had sex with her 16 year old boyfriend and got knocked up, it wouldn't be statutory rape. I guess they are afraid that she could lie and say she got knocked up by a 19 year old, making it statutory rape. That's really far-fetched conspiracy theory shit though.
mingemonster 21st-Aug-2012 11:43 am (UTC)
What he said was horrible and all, but I can't stop loling at how badly this guy managed to fuck up his own life with one comment
haveitall 21st-Aug-2012 12:45 pm (UTC)
He didn't though, because he's still leading in the polls by a point. He could still feasibly win the election.
cpsings4him 21st-Aug-2012 11:52 am (UTC)
Oh, but you guys, he's SO SORRY and stuff! He didn't mean to say that and have it be taken as a factual statement! He picked the wrong words to intimate that some women are whores who are asking for it and therefore, really want it, and therefore, those women, those whorish women who asked for it, they are the ones who get pregnant. Because they really wanted it. Really.

http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2012/08/21/todd-akin-is-so-so-sorry?xrs=synd_twitter
bnmc2005 21st-Aug-2012 02:11 pm (UTC)
Rachel Maddow pretty much dedicated her whole show to this issue tonight. She ran down a list of government officials who have been saying this kind of shit well back into the past up to the very very present.

It befuddles me that Paul Ryan can essentially put the same sentiment in a house bill along with Akin and no one is bothered by that. SO MUCH blatent hypocrisy right now.
moonbladem 21st-Aug-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
Wow... that comment from Clayton Williams in the video, where he's quoted as saying, "... rape is a little like the weather. As long as it's inevitable, women should just lay back and enjoy it."

Sounds creepy and rapey to me. Maybe he said that because he not only believes it but has done it before? I wouldn't be surprised, because no decent person in their right mind would say something like that.
mirhanda 21st-Aug-2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
I think we're way overdue for a "war on women" tag

THIS
shockfactor 21st-Aug-2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
Still
there are days
when there is no way
not even a chance
that I dare for even a second glance at the reflection of my body in the mirror and she knows why
like I know why she only cries when she feels she's about to loose control
she knows how much control is worth
knows how much a woman can loose when her power to move
is take away
by a grip so thick with hate it could
clip the wings of god
send the next eight generations of your blood shaking
and tonight something inside me is breaking
my heart beating so deep beneath the sheets of pain
I could give every tear she's crying a name
a year
and a face I'd forever erase if I could just like she would
for you
or me
but how free would any of us be if even a few forgot what too many women in this world cannot
and what the hell would you tell your daughter?
your someday-daughter when you have to hold her beautiful face to the beat-up face of this place that hasn't learned the meaning of STOP
stop
what would you tell you daughter
of the womb raped empty?
the eyes swollen shut, the gut too frightened to hold food, it was seven minutes of the worst kind of hell
seven
and she stopped believing in heaven
mistrust became her law, fear her bible, the only chance of survival
don't trust any of them
bolt the doors to your home, iron-gate the windows, walking to the car alone, get the key in the lock like
please
please, please, please open
like already she can feel the five-fingered noose around her neck, two-hundred pounds of hate digging graves into the sacred soil of her flesh
please
please, please, please, please open
already she can hear the broken-record of the defense:
"answer the question, answer the question, answer the question miss"
why am I on trial for this?
would you talk to your mother, your daughter, your sister like this?
I am generations of mothers, daughters, sisters
bodies battlefields, war zones beneath the weapons of your brothers' hands
do you know they've found land mines in broken women's souls?
black holes in the parts of their hearts that once sang symphonies of creation as bright as the light on infinity's halo?
she said, I remember how love used to glow like glitter on my skin before he made his way in, now every touch feels like a sin that could crucify medusa
kali oshun mary, bury me in a blue blanket so god doesn't know I'm a girl, cut off my curls, I want peace when I'm dead
her friend knocks at the door, it's been three weeks, don't you think it's time you got out of bed? no.
the ceiling fan still feeling like his breath, I think I need just a few more days of rest
bruises on her knees from begging to forget
she's heard stories of vietnam vets who can still feel the tingling of their amputated limbs
she's wondering how many women are walking around this world still feeling the tingling of their amputated wings, remembering what it was to fly, to sing
tonight
she's not wondering what she would tell her daughter
she knows what she would tell her daughter, she'd ask her what gods do you believe in?
I'll build you temple of mirrors so you can see them
pick the brightest star you ever wished on and I'll show the light in you that made that wish come true
tonight
she's not asking what you would tell your daughter, she's life deep in the hell
the slaughter
has already died a thousand deaths with every unsteady breath
a thousand graves ib every pore of her flesh
and she
knows the war's not over, she knows there's bleeding to come
knows she's far from the only woman or girl trusting this world no more than the hands trust rusted barbed wire
she was whole before that night, believed in heaven before that night
and she knows she won't be the only one, no she knows she won't be the only one
she's not asking
what you're gonna tell your daughter, she's asking what
you're gonna teach
you're son.

- Andrea Gibson // Blue Blanket
brother_dour 21st-Aug-2012 09:13 pm (UTC)
It's generally not a good idea to redefine a crime to suit your political agenda. Let's hope the GOP keeps shooting themselves in the foot like this until November.
_cheshire 22nd-Aug-2012 02:36 am (UTC)
ugh fuck everything to do with this.

And what the fuck is "forcible" rape? I hate how people have so many different ways to tear a rape victim down and make it all out to be her fault. It's why I never reported it when I was raped---what was the point when it would somehow be twisted to be my fault?

The only possibly positive thing I can see coming out of this is this forcing people to open their eyes to the ignorant douchebaggery of conservatives, leading to them losing in the election in November.
jaded110 22nd-Aug-2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
...Isn't all forms of rape and sexual assault forcible? Or am I not understanding something? Last time I checked, someone doing anything sexual to you without your consent is assault.
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