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Todd Akin, Paul Ryan, and Redefining Rape

3:09 pm - 08/20/2012


On Sunday, Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), who is challenging Sen. Claire McCaskill in the Missouri Senate race, used an interview with a local television station to defend his belief that abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape: He claimed that women who are the victims of "legitimate rape" are unlikely to become pregnant. Akin said that the female body has "biological defenses" that prevent rape victims from getting pregnant. (That's not true.) The implication of his position is that if you were raped and became pregnant, you must have actually wanted it—it wasn't really rape.

This isn't the first time Akin has expressed fringe views about rape in the context of the abortion debate. Last year, Akin, vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and most of the House GOP co-sponsored a bill that would have narrowed the already-narrow exceptions to the laws banning federal funding for abortion—from all cases of rape to cases of "forcible rape."

After I reported on the "forcible rape" language in January 2011, a wave of outcry from abortion rights, progressive, and women's groups led the Republicans to remove it. But a few months later, in a congressional committee report, Republicans wrote that they believed the bill would continue to have the same effect despite the absence of the "forcible" language.

So why was the "forcible" language so important? Pro-life advocates believed they needed to include the word "forcible" in the law to preempt what National Right to Life Committee lobbyist Doug Johnson called a "brazen" effort by Planned Parenthood and other groups to obtain federal funding for abortions for any teenager by (falsely) claiming statutory rape. Abortion rights groups, Johnson warned, wanted to "federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers." Richard Doerflinger, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops'* top anti-abortion lobbyist, echoed Johnson in congressional testimony, arguing that the "forcible" language was "an effort on the part of the sponsors to prevent the opening of a very broad loophole for federally funded abortions for any teenager." Planned Parenthood flatly denied having a plan to open up such a loophole.

The idea that women who are "legitimate" rape victims can't get pregnant has currency in some corners of the fringe right. Akin embraces it. Does he embrace the conspiracy theory about the need for the "forcible rape" language, too?

*The name of the organization has been corrected.

By Nick Baumann, Sunday August 19th, 2012 3:21 PM PDT


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I think we're way overdue for a "war on women" tag. :)

Edited to add: We've got the tag! :D
rex_dart 21st-Aug-2012 06:23 pm (UTC)
Objectivists who aren't sociopaths are basically aspiring sociopaths, whether they think of it that way or not. Some of the primary diagnostic criteria of sociopathy (and really, the most awful traits) are exactly what objectivism calls for in an ~ideal person. The best objectivist would be a sociopath.
fierceleaf 21st-Aug-2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
Ok. And this does explain why guys like Paul Ryan don't even try to mix their objectivism with rationality. Being a compulsive liar is a common trait of sociopaths.

I hope your analysis doesn't apply to all libertarians. Many of them look nice and their speeches are sweet. Anyway, liberty is good, isn't it?
rex_dart 21st-Aug-2012 06:51 pm (UTC)
Liberty is great, which is why objectivism - which touts a two-dimensional form of superficial liberty that ignores context and the way the real world works - is a terrible philosophy.
chaya 21st-Aug-2012 07:12 pm (UTC)
+1,000
fierceleaf 21st-Aug-2012 07:28 pm (UTC)
Rand's philosophy isn't based on scientific method. And her philosophy is not falsifiable. And it is basically false and old. E.g. theory of Freud is considered false and old and non-falsifiable and stuff. But therapy flourishes.

But the whole libertarian movement, which is inspired by Ayn's books, is not false and old. For example, the results of of Milton Friedman work who was a prominent economist and a libertarian are in the scientific mainstream. He was very intelligent and humble unlike the jerk from the topic of our conversation.

And there is no requironment for social science, like political or ethical philosophy, to comply with rule set of physics. Indeed, I think it is impossible, because philosophy doesn't deal with reality, like science, it deals with values. And values are about equally valid choices.
rex_dart 21st-Aug-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
"Therapy" is not based on Freud's ideas, and other than that I cannot make sense of a single thing that this comment is saying unless you're suggesting that we need to feed our political philosophies through a particle accelerator and see what their component parts are? Otherwise I am lost.
fierceleaf 21st-Aug-2012 08:00 pm (UTC)
In natural science there is a "scientific method" formulated by Karl Raimund Popper to test whether the theory is good or not. Social sciences doesn't have one.

Indeed some branches of the therapy are based on Freud ideas like psychoanalysis and depth psychology. But it is off topic. I've compared Rand and Freud because I see them as prominent figures and founders of new directions of thinking.
zharia 22nd-Aug-2012 05:39 am (UTC)
Psychologists don't use the scientific method at AAAAAAAAAALLLL obv. We are a ~~~soft science. GTFO with this ignorant comment.
fierceleaf 22nd-Aug-2012 06:21 am (UTC)
Read my comment once again. I quoted the term "scientific method" and implied it to be specific one, described by Popper and not the general scientific method. Popper's method as is is not universally applicable and it is a Popper's own opinion. And I didn't say that it is a bad think.
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