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Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?

2:04 pm - 09/07/2012
Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN)
– This convention season has not been good for atheists.

The word "God" was reinserted in the Democratic platform after it had been removed. A plan to raise atheist billboards in the convention cities was stymied by opponents. And though there were preachers and rabbis and other religious leaders opening and closing each day of each convention, there wasn’t an avowed atheist talking up unbelief on either convention’s speaking list.

The political lockout has left many nonbelievers asking, “What political party represents me?”

“We are deeply saddened by the exclusion of a large number of Americans by both parties,” said Teresa MacBain, a spokeswoman for the group American Atheists, in an interview on Thursday. “It amazes me that in modern-day America, so much prejudice still exists.”

After word spread Wednesday that Democrats left God out of their platform, atheists rejoiced. “Truly amazing news,” wrote Loren Miller on Atheist Nexus, a popular atheist blog. “The Republicans remain in the firm grasp of right-wing Christian religiosity, and I really don't know what it's going to take to free them from it.”

But the convention committee immediately received huge pressure get God back in the platform. Even President Obama, according to CNN reporting, said, “Why on earth would that have been taken out?” when he first heard of the omission.

In an awkward session that required three voice votes on the convention floor, the Democrats opted to add “God” back to the platform.

For atheists, the Democrats were seen to be taking away a hard-fought victory. “We had 24 hours of joy as we felt (that) finally our government values all people,” said MacBain. “But that was short-lived. The vote last night angered many atheists and left them feeling excluded once again.”

Online, atheist websites and Facebook pages went from upbeat to downcast as news spread of the platform revision.

“Obama was the first president to acknowledge non believers,” Mark Musante wrote on the American Atheists’ Facebook page. “I wish he would stick to his guns.”

Musante was referring to Obama’s 2009 inauguration speech, when the president said, “We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers.”

Beverly Sitherwood, on the Friendly Atheist blog Facebook page, accused the Democrats of “Pandering for power.”

Some atheist leaders used the platform defeat as a rallying call.

“I guess a tiny step was too much to ask for,” David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, told CNN. “This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population – we don’t count. Well, guess what, Dems – we do. And we vote.”

Silverman says that 16% of the voting public identify as nonbelievers. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, 12% of the electorate in 2008 was made up of people with no religious affiliation, though experts say the number of avowed atheists is much smaller.

While acknowledging atheists, Obama has given platforms to high-profile religious leaders, including Rick Warren, a megachurch pastor who prayed at his inauguration, and Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who is giving the final prayer of the convention on Thursday night.

American Atheists’ plans to raise billboards ridiculing the presidential candidates’ faith ended in failure. After the group put up billboards in Charlotte, North Carolina, the site of the Democratic National Convention, last month, it quickly removed them due to “physical threats to not only our staff, but the billboard company as well.”

American Atheists had also planned on a billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there. But American Atheists said that all the billboard companies in Tampa rejected a sign taking aim at GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith.

Perhaps because of the Republican Party’s ties to conservative Christianity, atheists tend to be Democrats. According to a 2012 Pew study, 71% of Americans who identified as atheist were Democrats.

“The Republicans who spoke at the RNC seemed more like televangelists than politicians,” MacBain said. “The message was clear from the RNC: Get God, or get out.”

The Republican’s 2012 platform mentions God 12 times, many of which describe the “God-given” rights that the Republican Party says are inherent to the American idea.

Though most atheist groups claim that there are closeted atheists serving as representatives and senators, only one has come out as such.

In September 2007, Rep. Pete Stark, Democrat of California, affirmed his atheism in a speech at the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University.

Source: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/06/conventions-leave-atheists-asking-what-political-party-represents-me/
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flcadam 7th-Sep-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
Yep, I agree that the Democrats have no choice but to pander. Being labeled as "Godless" hurt the party a lot during the Bush years, and I doubt they'll make the mistake of alienating religious voters again. Sure, it comes at the cost of alienating the atheists, but they make up such a tiny sliver of the electorate that it really doesn't matter, unfortunately. :-/
fishphile 7th-Sep-2012 10:11 pm (UTC)
I really don't know how "God" is entered into the platform or the language around it.

It would be nice if the language would have been something like those who believe in god, gods or no god at all. I know that's asking a lot in this political environment though.
hinoema 8th-Sep-2012 04:41 am (UTC)
A lot of that crap was the result of the McCarthyism of the 50s.
chimbleysweep 7th-Sep-2012 10:12 pm (UTC)
I understand that they can hardly pander to us but I wish they'd remove the benediction from both conventions.

Also, Cardinal Timothy Dolan should not have delivered it. I do not think he's a good human.
freuen 8th-Sep-2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
That is a most excellent summary of Cardinal Dolan.
kitanabychoice 7th-Sep-2012 10:14 pm (UTC)
The title pretty much sums up what my boyfriend and I thought while watching the DNC. He's atheist and I'm agnostic and we both side-eyeing the number of times god came into the conversation. It's this stupid pandering to the majority that gives people the impression we're a Christian nation when we're not.

re: the removal of god from the platform, well, I didn't expect that to last for long tbh. Even Democrats can be deeply, rigidly religious and removing god from the platform would likely keep these people at home from the polls.
brother_dour 7th-Sep-2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
No political party would be the short answer. But I question the wisdom of framing your choice of President around one issue.

Anyway, this was just to appease the masses. That probably doesn't make it any easier to swallow, but yeah- it was pragmatism.
spicytoys 7th-Sep-2012 10:20 pm (UTC)
I was really dismayed when they added god back into the platform. Religion has no place in politics.
arisma 7th-Sep-2012 10:33 pm (UTC)
I was dismayed not only because they did it but also because of HOW they did it.
keeni84 7th-Sep-2012 10:22 pm (UTC)
I know I was irritated when they kept bringing up "God" and "faith" in reference to a higher being.

Obviously didn't care for the benedictions and invocations.
one_hoopy_frood 7th-Sep-2012 10:36 pm (UTC)
Meh, it doesn't bother me when religion is important to people as long as they're not using it to oppress. A lot of people do a lot of great things because of their beliefs. I do my best to be a good person without those religious convictions. I wish more people didn't see belief in a god as a prerequisite to being a good person. And I wish we could keep political events like conventions primarily secular (no benedictions or official prayers or whatever, but if someone wants to bring it up in their speech I really don't mind).

When he was inaugurated, the President mentioned people without faith in his speech. He pretty much hasn't done that at all after his first year. It's disappointing, but it's politik.
schexyschteve 7th-Sep-2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
I agree with this (and I was going to comment with something similar, but I'm not so eloquent). I'm an atheist. I have zero problems with people being religious, until they try to push that religion and their beliefs on me. I know that, while many Dems are religious, they aren't using their religious beliefs to take my rights away like Republicans want to do.
ladylothwen 7th-Sep-2012 10:36 pm (UTC)
I wish religion was removed from the national political discourse. As a country founded (and prides itself) on the freedom of religion and keeping the church out of state...there hasn't been a very good job of doing that.
ladypolitik 7th-Sep-2012 10:42 pm (UTC)
I think I would care less if it were a country that didn't obsess so fucking much over it.
ladypolitik 7th-Sep-2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
"it" = "God"/"God bless ______" insertions in political venues.
johnjie 7th-Sep-2012 10:54 pm (UTC)
I thought that God coming in to a lot of American politics was par for the course? Or am i thinking that America places more value on religion than it does? (as it stands, i am an atheist Australian, our Prime Minister is also an atheist)
schexyschteve 7th-Sep-2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
It is par for the course, but it shouldn't be. We have Freedom of Religion in our constitution (of course, many think that only applies to letting people be Christian, and it doesn't work both ways). There was a thing called the Treaty of Tripoli, which explicitly stated the US was not founded as a Christian nation. And it wasn't this entrenched in politics until about the 1980s, when the Religious Right became a Thing.
kishmet 7th-Sep-2012 11:09 pm (UTC)
As an atheist I don't need or want any mentions of nonbelief because atheism's not a freaking religion. I just want mentions of deities LEFT OUT of the conventions because separation of church and state, hello

(At the same time, as mentioned in the first comment, I get why the Dems do it since the Repubs spew religious language all over the place and the majority of the country seems to approve.)
lucygray 8th-Sep-2012 06:06 am (UTC)
+1
amyura 7th-Sep-2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
“We had 24 hours of joy as we felt (that) finally our government values all people,” said MacBain.

I'm Christian, but that's exactly how I felt when I heard they'd taken God out of the platform. It doesn't belong in the platform. I was disappointed when they put it back in. And to be cynical, do they really feel like the kind of people who care would be voting Democratic anyway?
tigerdreams 7th-Sep-2012 11:20 pm (UTC)
I heard (and I'm not sure I remember where, so this may be completely off) that not only did they add it back in, they forced it back in against the wishes of the majority of delegates. The reason they took three voice votes on whether to put "God" back in was because "no" kept winning. Eventually they just ~decided~ that "yes" won, despite the "no"s getting louder and louder with each vote. Classy. :\
one_hoopy_frood 7th-Sep-2012 11:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I just watched video of it on the Daily Show. The convention center was mostly empty but the vast majority of people still shouted "no" each of the three times and it still passed. He just kept laughing and saying "I'll try that again" like you would with a kindergarten class until they said what you wanted.
chickosaurusrex 7th-Sep-2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
“This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population – we don’t count. Well, guess what, Dems – we do. And we vote.”

I'm an agnostic from a fairly religious family so maybe my perspective is skewed but is Democrats saying "God" in their speeches really upsetting enough to not vote for them?

Frankly, I identify myself as a student, a woman of color, and a friend and family member to GLBTQ folks far more quickly than I identify myself as a person without religious affiliation, and I'm choosing to vote for Obama on those grounds.
tigerdreams 7th-Sep-2012 11:32 pm (UTC)
It's not about saying "God" in their speeches; it's about whether it appears in the Democratic Party platform. Originally the word "God" did not appear (though "faith" and "religion" did), and there was this explosion of criticism and condemnation (I'm guessing from the Right) about the ~omission~. So they shoehorned the word in the next day, because it's apparently so horrible to be accused of ~leaving out God~. That's what makes me side-eye this.
rkt 7th-Sep-2012 11:25 pm (UTC)
dems did it because of this

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-help-us-destroy-jesus-and-start-a-new-age-of,29478/

CHARLOTTE, NC—With the savage roar of the heathen Democratic horde rising all around him, President Barack Obama delivered an incendiary speech to close his party’s national convention Thursday night, commanding the ultraprogressive minions in attendance to help him “destroy Jesus and usher in a new age of liberal darkness that shall reign o’er the earth for a thousand years.”

The thunderous 45-minute address—during which the president argued for a second term so that he could “finally kill Jesus once and for all, as well as all those who worship him”—was well received by the frenzied, wild-eyed audience, whose piercing chants of “Four more years!” and “Slaughter the believers!” echoed throughout the Time Warner Cable Arena. ,,,,,


i mean, not the onion. but what the onion is channeling their story from.

republicans did it because, well, because theyre republicans.

i actually looked for the non-the-onion tag on this post. because for me, i was far more annoyed at the idolization of the middle class, while ignoring the poor and this just felt like a bit of cry-moar.

Edited at 2012-09-07 11:26 pm (UTC)
tiddlywinks103 7th-Sep-2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
I don't think it ignored the poor at at all, just that it pointed out that poor people can and should have the opportunity to become middle class, and that's usually more plausible and fulfilling, than Repubs telling poor people they can all become rich someday, so vote them in for lower taxes and regulations on your 'future' fortune.
tiddlywinks103 7th-Sep-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the insertion of religion and benedictions and shit at either convention was a huge turn-off for me. Your spirituality is personal, keep that shit to yourself, and stop making others involuntarily participate, just by being there. Now, if it's someone talking about their life in a speech, fine, but blanket statements of God's grace and shit is just...UGH.

Repubs, I really expect no better, but come on, Democrats, get it together. I don't feel it's a make-or-break thing, someone having faith, but it's really rude to be non-religious at the beginning of a convention, and then change your mind 1/2 way through. And for what?
likelolwhat 7th-Sep-2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
THIS. So much.

I dun geddit. Why is faith or lack of faith such a public thing? I get wanting to find other people who share your views and shit like that, but if the platform talked about, say, bridge club or somesuch, people would be going "O_o". Why is religion any different? When anyone inserts something that shouldn't be part of policy into A POLICY-DISCUSSING DOCUMENT, I headdesk.
lizzy_someone 7th-Sep-2012 11:53 pm (UTC)
Can I just say that I hate the term "nonbelievers"? I am an atheist and a believer. I believe in freedom of religion, separation of church and state, and racial, gender, and sexual equality. I believe in evolution and global warming and that the earth orbits the sun and that Mitt Romney is a colossal douchebag. I believe in tons of things. I just don't believe in the existence of a supernatural omniscient omnipotent benevolent creator dude. I don't particularly care if you do, but I don't see how it makes sense to call me a "nonbeliever" because of a single thing I don't believe in, any more than I would call someone a "nonbeliever" in all seriousness just because they didn't believe in, say, horoscopes.
likelolwhat 7th-Sep-2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
Yep. My faith or lack thereof NOT the only defining part of me! That term doesn't make any sense. It implies that the only thing that matters is dividing people into "pro-god" and "anti-god" factions. Stupid.
layweed 8th-Sep-2012 12:32 am (UTC)
As someone who is an atheist and Democrat, I honestly couldn't care less that they espouse God and faith. I mean, does it annoy me that that there are invocations and benedictions? Hell yes. Does it frustrate me that every politician has to end with "GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!" Hell yes (though, tbh, a lot of my frustration with that has less to do with God and more to do with American exceptionalism re: who is getting blessed). But as long as the party platform agrees with me, I don't really care that they aren't singling atheists out and giving them the two thumbs up.

Like someone said above, acknowledgement of atheists/non-Christians ranks pretty far down on my list of Democratic party platform must-haves. It's great if it's there, but it's definitely not a dealbreaker if it isn't.
futureframe 8th-Sep-2012 01:34 am (UTC)
thirded. I'm not just agnostic/atheist, but in many ways anti-theism... but this doesn't even enter in my list of priorities of who to vote for, to be quite honest.

I'm WAY more upset about rampant militarism and corporatism in this country & still invading the democratic party, but even those come second (at the moment) to seeing the democratic party finally get on ball with being unequivocally pro-choice, pro-women, and pro-lgbt.
jessyryan 8th-Sep-2012 01:35 am (UTC)
PREACH
zinnia_rose 8th-Sep-2012 01:46 am (UTC)
"Conventions leave atheists asking: What political party represents me?"

Welp, about the one that doesn't shove its own religion down everyone's throats and base copious amounts of legislation on it? It's not really a hard choice for me as an atheist, tbh. I don't care if Democrats in power are religious. I start caring when their right to freedom of religion starts infringing on my right to...well, anything, really. So far, the GOP has proven that they have zero issues infringing on non-fundamentalist Christians' rights. While I would be thrilled if the Democrats removed the word God from their platform (and stopped saying "God bless America", which makes me cringe), I'll settle for them not treating me as a second-class citizen because I don't believe what they do. Actions speak louder than words and all that.

Side note: I didn't know one of my reps was an atheist. That's awesome!
astridmyrna 8th-Sep-2012 02:01 am (UTC)
Teresa MacBain, a spokeswoman for the group American Atheists, in an interview on Thursday. “It amazes me that in modern-day America, so much prejudice still exists.”

Lol it doesn't surprise me.

“I guess a tiny step was too much to ask for,” David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, told CNN. “This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population – we don’t count. Well, guess what, Dems – we do. And we vote.”

I vote too, and I'm still voting for Obama. He acknowledge atheists after he was elected, and he probably won't risk it again until he is 100% sure that he is voted in again because of the last kerfuffle his mention of atheists brought. It sucks that the Dems have to pander to the religious in order to get votes, and it really grates my nerves that they have to bring God onto the platform when he has no business being there, but this is America, so I'm not surprised. Annoyed, but not surprised.
empirebird 8th-Sep-2012 02:12 am (UTC)
I'm an Atheist, I vote Democratic. No party is 100% everything you want. Just pick the one that's closest.
alizara 8th-Sep-2012 02:26 am (UTC)
It frustrates the fuck out of me, too. Also, the fact that even when they acknowledge multiple religions, Paganism is always, ALWAYS omitted. Especially if it involves female Deities. Meh.
batty_gal 8th-Sep-2012 03:10 am (UTC)
I'm an atheist, anti-theist even. However, Dems mentioning god is merely annoying to me. Republicans trying to force religion is far worse.

That alone makes the choice clear to me.
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