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A decisive conclusion is necessary

11:33 am - 11/19/2012
A decisive conclusion is necessary
There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip.

Anyone who thinks Hamas is going to beg for a cease-fire, that Operation Pillar of Defense will draw to a close and quiet will reign in the South because we hit targets in the Gaza Strip, needs to think again.

With the elimination of a murderous terrorist and the destruction of Hamas’s long-range missile stockpile, the operation was off to an auspicious start, but what now? This must not be allowed to end as did Operation Cast Lead: We bomb them, they fire missiles at us, and then a cease-fire, followed by “showers” – namely sporadic missile fire and isolated incidents along the fence. Life under such a rain of death is no life at all, and we cannot allow ourselves to become resigned to it.

A strong opening isn’t enough, you also have to know how to finish – and finish decisively. If it isn’t clear whether the ball crossed the goal-line or not, the goal isn’t decisive. The ball needs to hit the net, visible to all. What does a decisive victory sound like? A Tarzan-like cry that lets the entire jungle know in no uncertain terms just who won, and just who was defeated.

To accomplish this, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear, can’t live with, and our initial bombing campaign isn’t it.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

The Gaza Strip functions as a state – it has a government and conducts foreign relations, there are schools, medical facilities, there are armed forces and all the other trappings of statehood. We have no territorial conflict with “Gaza State,” and it is not under Israeli siege – it shares a border with Egypt. Despite this, it fires on our citizens without restraint.

Why do our citizens have to live with rocket fire from Gaza while we fight with our hands tied? Why are the citizens of Gaza immune? If the Syrians were to open fire on our towns, would we not attack Damascus? If the Cubans were to fire at Miami, wouldn’t Havana suffer the consequences? That’s what’s called “deterrence” – if you shoot at me, I’ll shoot at you. There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.

Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.

IF THE government isn’t prepared to go all the way on this, it will mean reoccupying the entire Gaza Strip. Not a few neighborhoods in the suburbs, as with Cast Lead, but the entire Strip, like in Defensive Shield, so that rockets can no longer be fired.

There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory. And we’re running out of time – we must achieve victory quickly. The Netanyahu government is on a short international leash. Soon the pressure will start – and a million civilians can’t live under fire for long. This needs to end quickly – with a bang, not a whimper.


The writer, whom I currently think is evil, is the son of former PM of Israel Ariel Sharon.

He certainly isn't alone in his thinking; according to a HuffPo article: Israel's Deputy Prime Minister Eli Yishai is reported by The Yeshiva World News to have said, "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages, destroying all the infrastructure including roads and water." Haaretz also reports that Yishai stated, "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."

So far, 73 Palestinians and 3 Israelis have died.
thenakedcat 19th-Nov-2012 07:22 am (UTC)
Does invoking Allied WW2-ra warcrimes as inspiring ideas count as a Godwin-by-proxy?
beetlebums 19th-Nov-2012 07:36 am (UTC)
I thought anything WWII related was Goodwin?
thenakedcat 19th-Nov-2012 08:27 am (UTC)
Godwin specifically relates to someone invoking Hitler or the Nazis as a comparison--most often in the context of flouncing and declaring that the ~oppression~ they are suffering at the hands of the other people in the discussion is ~just like the Nazis~. So invoking the Americans in the Pacific Theater is just outside the bounds of a standard Godwin.
dobermanndru 20th-Nov-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
The atomic bombs were hardly "war crimes". Necessary evils, maybe, but not war crimes.
thenakedcat 20th-Nov-2012 05:39 am (UTC)
...wow. I think this is the first time a troll's been grasping enough to try and target one of my little asides.
dobermanndru 20th-Nov-2012 05:50 am (UTC)
I find it intriguing how quick people are, around here, to leap to the 'U R TEH TROLLINZ' excuse, just because someone happens to disagree with them...

You declared opinion as fact. I countered. Simple. That's hardly "trolling".
a_klutz 20th-Nov-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
I agree tbh. Hardly trolling although it's interesting how often that word gets thrown around here.
ennifer_jay 20th-Nov-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
dobermanndru 21st-Nov-2012 01:24 am (UTC)
homasse 21st-Nov-2012 05:55 am (UTC)
Well, it's up for debate if it was even a necessary evil. There were signs Japan was going to surrender anyway.
dobermanndru 21st-Nov-2012 06:07 am (UTC)
There are more that they weren't, though. Certain hardliners even attempted to stop the Emperor surrendering (and almost succeeded). They didn't even believe the atomic bombs to be truly powerful and dismissed Hiroshima by saying that the Tokyo fire-bombings were far worse - which, technically, they were.

Ironically, it was a shipment of uranium, heading from Nazi Germany for Imperial Japan's own attempt at creating a nuclear weapon, which was intercepted and allowed for the original bombs to be made. It was very much touch and go as to whether they were going to have any to complete the project, until then. So, in a way, one could say that Japan's own nuclear ambitions led to its own downfall.

Either way, they were preparing to use clay bombs filled with plague-carrying mosquitoes to unleash upon San Francisco. Mass biological warfare was very close to being used on the mainland US (and certainly being readied for any hostile landings, regardless of how many millions of their own population would have been killed in the process).
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