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Wis. Sheriff Urges Citizens to Defend Themselves

2:59 pm - 01/25/2013
Wis. Sheriff Urges Citizens to Defend Themselves
Posted Friday, January 25, 2013 --- 2:32 p.m.

MILWAUKEE (AP) -- A Wisconsin sheriff is urging citizens to learn to handle firearms -- so they can defend themselves until authorities arrive.

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr., released the radio ad this week, telling residents that when it comes to personal safety: "I need you in the game."

In the ad, Clarke says that because of layoffs and furloughs, calling 911 is no longer the best option. He says citizens can either beg for mercy from a criminal, hide or "fight back."

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports the spot was aired at least once, and posted on the department's website Friday.

Roy Felber, president of the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs' Association, says the ad sounds like a call to vigilantism.

A message left for Clarke was not immediately returned.


Here's the link to the audio (as posted to the Milwaukee Sheriff's Office): Mp3 Audio
nikoel 25th-Jan-2013 10:39 pm (UTC)
Why is 911 "no longer the best option"? Wtf.

I'll be damned if anyone is going to bully me into getting a gun.
thinkatory 25th-Jan-2013 11:00 pm (UTC)
Well this is totally fucking comforting.

I'm just not going to leave the house, because people have begun mugging bus commuters. It's not like I need a job or anything. x___x
grimmerlove 26th-Jan-2013 03:13 am (UTC)
Do you have any details on that? My friends and I take MCTS to school/work.
thinkatory 26th-Jan-2013 04:10 am (UTC)
This is so bizarre. I can find no trace of this story even on local news sites, but honest to God it aired on all four of them IIRC on the same day. It delineated that at least six people had been stuck up at MCTS bus stops over the week. It aired before Tuesday, I remember specifically not taking my purse or iPod with me for my appointment that day.

They kept showing the Route 12, specifically the 60th and Hampton stop. (Same intersection has one of the color lines, I don't remember which because I don't take it, and the 76.)
lamardeuse 25th-Jan-2013 11:04 pm (UTC)
I'm a little confused, being Canadian: I'm hearing all kinds of US police chiefs who are like, hell yeah, give us some fucking gun control to get these things off the streets and make everyone safer, and then I'm hearing from sheriffs, who are all ARMED INSURRECTION! and PROTECT YOUR HOMES FROM THE EVILDOERS! Shouldn't they all be saying the same thing, being law enforcement officers? Or is there a fundamental difference between a sheriff and a police chief? Or are some of these guys just whackjobs?
happythree 25th-Jan-2013 11:37 pm (UTC)
I haven't observed this difference in stance myself (not saying it isn't there, I just haven't been looking), but there is a significant difference that comes to mind -- sheriffs are elected by popular vote to represent their county in most states, whereas the chief of police is often an appointed position. Both would be relatively political positions, but sheriffs would probably have more incentive to rile up gun owner sentiments, especially if they're in conservative areas.
crooked_halo 26th-Jan-2013 12:47 am (UTC)
Actually, it's reversed in this area. The Chief of Police in the City of Milwaukee was elected, and the County Sheriff was appointed. Not sure how it's handled in other areas, but that's how it is here.
dangomango 25th-Jan-2013 11:25 pm (UTC)
911 is no longer an option? Buy a gun because cops are too busy sucking rich cock to protect the rest of (the majority of) the US? Okay, but i am also going to suggest that taxpayer dollars stop getting used to pay YOUR salary, since you want me to spend money to do YOUR job. Asshole!
happythree 25th-Jan-2013 11:30 pm (UTC)
You have your cops spend less time profiling vehicles for drug busts first, then maybe I'll consider it.
vulturoso 25th-Jan-2013 11:40 pm (UTC)
These people live in a fantasy world...

Red Dawn was just a movie, you hillbillies.
omgangiepants 25th-Jan-2013 11:43 pm (UTC)
Thank your boy Scott for the funding cuts, you asswipe.
wrestlingdog 26th-Jan-2013 12:10 am (UTC)
So calling 911 when in fear for one's safety is no longer the best response?

Isn't it your fucking job?

(I mean, I get that police departments are understaffed and all that, but seriously. There's gotta be a better way to do this, right?)
pepsquad 26th-Jan-2013 05:17 am (UTC)
the US supreme court has rules basucally that the police protect the law not you.
wrestlingdog 26th-Jan-2013 02:13 pm (UTC)
That explains a lot, sadly.
crooked_halo 26th-Jan-2013 12:12 am (UTC)
There are not enough words to describe that rage this makes me feel, especially as someone who lives right on the Milwaukee county line. WI is really in a sad place right now with Walker.

Edited to add: I'm sorry, but instead of "whining" about budget cuts, you want to mobilize the citizens? Please do "whine" about budget cuts, because the cuts are bullshit. If we turn into a state where private citizens have to take the law into their own hands, how are we any better than any other third world country? This basically falls into "might makes right" territory, ie, since the police are apparently no longer available due to budget cuts, whomever has the most fire power and skill with that fire power is in control? Um. No. Fuck you.

Edited at 2013-01-26 12:49 am (UTC)
lovelokest 26th-Jan-2013 12:16 am (UTC)

I'm sure that residents in (conservative, rich, white) cities such as Wauwatosa and Whitefish bay will be serviced by 911 quickly, just not all those annoying, liberal leaning, non-white Milwaukee city residents.

2014 can't come soon enough, we need to get this fucker out of power.
crooked_halo 26th-Jan-2013 12:54 am (UTC)
I hope we can kick him out of power. I really hope so. I'm still extremely disappointed that the recall election didn't do it.

And I'm sure you're right. I feel like the city of Milwaukee is pretty much being written off by the authorities. Like they want the minorities to just tear each other apart while the police sit by and don't do a goddamn thing.
bmh4d0k3n 26th-Jan-2013 01:05 am (UTC)
OK, Chief Wiggum.
grimmerlove 26th-Jan-2013 03:08 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah. I live in Milwaukee and this makes me feel real fucking safe.
thinkatory 26th-Jan-2013 03:56 am (UTC)

I was like "Oh, this is probably some other OH FUCK IT'S CLARKE FFS."

This is going to lead to a bunch more shootings of innocent (minority) people who happen to tread on private property.
mirandagirll 26th-Jan-2013 04:14 am (UTC)
911 > civilians owning guns to "protect themselves"
angry_chick 26th-Jan-2013 04:14 am (UTC)
Honestly, I'm happy that someone is being honest about the whole thing about cops being unreliable. 911 is my first resort if something were to happen, but I don't trust the police for a second.

I'm going to be the voice of dissent here because we hear this stuff all the time from cops around here. They will tell you that their response time can be up to 5 or so minutes, and if you are a citizen with a gun, you should be ready to defend yourself. I don't think it sounds like a call to vigilantism or as 'GET YOUR GUNS HERE!' as a fact.

Also going to chime in here - I don't know about the specifics of Milwaukee.

Edited at 2013-01-26 04:15 am (UTC)
thinkatory tl;dr26th-Jan-2013 04:27 am (UTC)
More than anything this is a massively damaging PR move, one that I cannot comprehend. The Milwaukee Police Department has been fighting hard to be recognized by criminals and trusted by the people of Milwaukee, because a whole lot of us are just as jaded as you are (including me, so don't take that as an insult) and don't actually call the police. Gang activity flourishes because in some areas that's the only way you can be safe. Etc. We're not exactly Detroit or Gangland but shit gets fucked up.

Recently, though, things have gotten better; cops actually show up, they're making a point to have a presence in particularly bad areas, that sort of thing. I have noticed a major difference.

So basically Clarke is totally undermining the MPD and all the progress they've made, possibly for political gain, because honestly the sheriff's office in my experience is not highly likely to deal with the sort of stuff that he's talking about.
angry_chick Re: tl;dr26th-Jan-2013 05:36 pm (UTC)
I see.
thinkatory 26th-Jan-2013 04:23 am (UTC)
Here's the weird thing: the County Executive Chris Abele (who ran as a Democrat but is seriously Republican in all but name, much to my disappointment) says that Clarke's statements about furloughs and cuts have no basis and no such cuts have been made.

Normally I'd go with the truism "the Republican is lying," but that's not gonna help me here.

Annoying thing: all of the people defending this are from largely prosperous areas/suburbs. -_-
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