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Possible TW: Teens convicted for Instagram 'slut-shaming'

6:51 pm - 06/26/2013
Two Swedish teen girls were convicted on Tuesday for aggravated defamation and ordered to pay a total of 570,000 kronor ($85,370) to their victims, for their role in operating a "slut-shaming" Instagram account that led to rioting in Gothenburg.

One of the girls, 15, was sentenced by the Gothenburg District Court to juvenile detention, while her 16-year-old accomplice was sentenced to 45 hours of community service.

Together, they must also pay 15,000 kronor in damages to each of the 38 victims of the public shaming, which comes to a total of 570,000 kronor. The victims had asked for over 760,000 kronor.

Arash Raoufi, who represented the victims in the case, was pleased with the verdict.

"I have found the time to speak with some of them and a lot of people sound happy, they think it's wonderful. The damages themselves have been more a question of principal," he told the TT news agency.

Both girls were sentenced after setting up an account on picture-sharing website Instagram in December that encouraged other users to publish photographs of "sluts" alongside claims of their sexual activities.

The older of the two girls denied the allegations, yet the court stated that she "had considerable difficulties in answering seemingly simple questions about factual circumstances".

Her lawyer Claes Östlund believed the conviction was "a little harsh", especially considering the teenager's mother was told to pay half of her daughter's fines.

"Think about it... how can you stop your daughter from going in on the net and writing that someone is a whore when you don't even have a computer yourself," he told TT.

It remains uncertain if the teenager will launch an appeal.

The district court's reasoning stated that the information the girls published was "in all cases of deeply intrusive nature". It took into consideration that the pictures "spread quickly and widely".

Riots began when the pictures were published and police made 27 arrests as some teenagers engaged in vandalism and resisted orders. A smaller mob the following day also caused enough of a commotion to lead to several arrests.

OP: What do you think? Too harsh or should more people be held accountable for what they say on social media?

Source: The Local
chaya 26th-Jun-2013 05:09 pm (UTC)
"Think about it... how can you stop your daughter from going in on the net and writing that someone is a whore when you don't even have a computer yourself," he told TT.
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miriamele 26th-Jun-2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
So much this. Also, your icon is full of win.
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lainiest 26th-Jun-2013 05:37 pm (UTC)
Given that the only reason the restitution is so high is because they victimized THIRTY-EIGHT PEOPLE, it seems like a completely reasonable punishment. Juvenile detention and community service are both appropriate for kids their age, so.
the_physicist 26th-Jun-2013 05:47 pm (UTC)
Good. I'm glad this is taken seriously. And too harsh? No. I think such sentences need to be tailored to the individual situations of the perpetrators. I think that in all cases. What does a celebrity care for a £100 speeding fine? Not one bit.
That is a whole other topic I guess though. But in terms of the guilty verdict and them getting a harsh punishment? No complaints from me.
nextdrinksonme 26th-Jun-2013 06:10 pm (UTC)
I think the punishment fits the crime. They put pictures of other people on the internet. without their permission, for the world to see. That's violating the privacy of those people at the very least and, depending on the content of the pictures, could be child porn at most. They should be held accountable for what they did.

I don't agree with the parents being held responsible for the kids' fuck up.

I'm really not sure how a slam-book type page led to riots.
ljtaylor 29th-Jun-2013 09:18 am (UTC)
(Replying a tad late because work swept me away from my own post).

It wasn't so much a riot as a big gathering of teens, some of whom stood on cars so the police got involved. I was in town when it happened and I was like, oh is it some kind of graduation day? I think people communicated via SMS and WhatsApp and gathered to show their disdain. It was quite peaceful and tbh I am glad to see teens taking a stance against this kind of thing.

I definitely agree that the punishment fit the bill.
sio 26th-Jun-2013 06:14 pm (UTC)
"Think about it... how can you stop your daughter from going in on the net and writing that someone is a whore when you don't even have a computer yourself," he told TT.

try teaching her not to slander other people and monitoring what she's doing online. the obvious parenting fail led to her daughter's behavior. if she had taught her child some manners and basic decency or maybe even monitored her internet usage, we wouldn't be discussing this case. but she didn't and the courts rightfully sentenced the bullies, so too fucking bad she has to pay out the nose.

in short: spare me the defense of the poor, persecuted little criminal, Mr. Ostlund.
lied_ohne_worte 26th-Jun-2013 06:30 pm (UTC)
I wonder how one would go about monitoring a fifteen-year-old's internet usage, though. That's not to say that I disagree with the verdict, but I do think you overestimate the level of supervision adults can realistically achieve for someone that age.
mschaos 26th-Jun-2013 06:22 pm (UTC)
actions should have consequences and these girls where old enough to know better.

they got caught, they get the punishment
sio 26th-Jun-2013 06:30 pm (UTC)
mingemonster 26th-Jun-2013 06:34 pm (UTC)
15000 in damages for this kind of harassment is very reasonable. If the harassers think it's too much to pay they should have victimized fewer kids t b h
ljtaylor 29th-Jun-2013 09:22 am (UTC)
Yup. I was assaulted once at work, and I got the equivalent of 15000 SEK. If my assailant had slapped 38 people across the face? This is the fine he'd be looking at.
mahsox_mahsox 26th-Jun-2013 06:36 pm (UTC)
Just as parents trust a 16 year old to go down the shops alone, they also trust a 16 year old to not be supervised all the time while online. In less than two years a 16 year old will have the same adult freedoms as their parents, so some degree of trust is not only acceptable it is also necessary if you don't want to have kids going wild at 18 with freedoms they didn't have the chance to slowly ease into earlier. So unless the parents can be shown to be willfully negligent or in some way directly complicit, I don't think they should be fined when their kids take that freedom that we all regard as pretty much a developmentally normal thing to allow, and do something bad with it.
gambitia 26th-Jun-2013 06:52 pm (UTC)

I completely support the ruling against the girls, but not the mother. Parents are not in 100% control of their children at any point, especially once those children are nearly adults. There are potential complicating factors as well--what if the mother isn't technically literate? She doesn't have a computer.

Sins of the father/sins of the son is something that needs to go away.
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djinndustries 27th-Jun-2013 12:53 am (UTC)
I couldn't help but hear the Swedish Chef say "slütenshamen" in my head...
homasse 27th-Jun-2013 06:57 am (UTC)
Personally, I'm glad people are starting to have to face the consequences for the stupid, insulting, painful shit they say about or do to others online.
keestone 27th-Jun-2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
Defamation is defamation on the internet as well as in print. They basically instigated and published libel about 38 people with no regard to the truth, and they caused riots. This does not seem too harsh.
ljtaylor 29th-Jun-2013 09:28 am (UTC)
Yes! This. Anyone saying that trolling to this extent is harmless would clearly be totally happy with false information and photographs of themselves being spread around the Internet where future employers will find it. That's a whole world of difference to the kind of high school rumours you'd hear about pre-social media, which stayed within your year group and were forgotten post-graduation, though no less hurtful.

It's odd because on the one hand people are so quick to dismiss stuff they read on the Internet but Twitter is taken so seriously that it can actually affect the stock market.

Edited at 2013-06-29 09:29 am (UTC)
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