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Report Says Putin Was Directly Involved With Russian Interference In U.S. Election

9:11 pm - 12/14/2016
U.S. intelligence officials say they believe Russian President Vladimir Putin was directly involved in efforts to disrupt the 2016 U.S. presidential election, NBC News reported Wednesday.

NBC’s bombshell story comes days after The Washington Post reported that the Central Intelligence Agency believes Russia sought to influence the election and help secure President-elect Donald Trump’s victory. Those efforts reportedly included hacking the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, and providing them to WikiLeaks. The New York Times, in an extensive report on the hacks, offered details on how the attacks were carried out and reported that Democratic House candidates were also targeted.

According to NBC, officials believe the meddling went all the way to the very top of Russia’s government. NBC reports:

Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.

Putin’s objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a “vendetta” against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to “split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn’t depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore,” the official said.


CBS News later corroborated the report:

Neither the CIA’s public information office nor Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks immediately responded to requests for comment.

Putin has long considered Clinton a foe, and claimed the former secretary of state incited protests in Russia following the country’s 2011 elections. (Clinton had sided with protesters and called for “free, fair, transparent elections” in the country.)

In contrast, Putin has praised Trump as “bright and talented,” and the U.S. president-elect has complimented the Russian president’s leadership.

Trump dismissed the earlier report on Russia’s alleged involvement in the election, telling Fox News on Sunday he thinks it’s “ridiculous” to believe the Russian government wanted to steal the election for him.

“I think it’s just another excuse,” Trump said. “I don’t believe it.”

Other Republicans have taken the report much more seriously. A bipartisan group of senators, including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), this week called for further investigation into possible election meddling, and discouraged fellow senators from treating the revelations as a partisan issue.

“The stakes are too high for our country. We are committed to working in this bipartisan manner, and we will seek to unify our colleagues around the goal of investigating and stopping the grave threats that cyberattacks conducted by foreign governments pose to our national security,” the senators wrote in a statement.

Many top Republicans, however, declined Democratic requests to publicly condemn the hacks as they were taking place.

Meanwhile, Putin’s popularity is skyrocketing among Republicans. According to a YouGov/Economist poll released this week, favorability of the Russian president has climbed 56 points since July 2014.

Source: HuffPost

Whatever mistakes the Clinton campaign made (and yes, they made mistakes; I haven't heard anyone say they didn't), this shit DID happen, and it DOES matter. It matters a WHOLE FUCKING LOT. Even if Clinton had run a perfect paragon of a campaign (like that's even possible), NO candidate for public office in the US should be expected to have to overcome a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT working to undermine their campaign. This is an outrage, it would be an outrage no matter who was involved, and I don't think any of us have any idea how big of a factor it actually was or how heavily it affected the outcome of the election. If Hillary had run a better campaign, would this have caused her to lose? Who the hell knows>? I certainly don't, and I don't think anyone else here does, either.
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lightframes 15th-Dec-2016 05:10 am (UTC)
Yeah but we need to stop meddling in other people's elections. People don't need to start meddling in ours.
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lightframes 15th-Dec-2016 05:12 am (UTC)
Many top Republicans, however, declined Democratic requests to publicly condemn the hacks as they were taking place.

Because they don't care, they just wanted to win.

The Republican Party isn't a reasonable party. We can't expect anything out of them. They might have a few normal people but they can't be counted on for anything as a group.
fka 15th-Dec-2016 06:10 am (UTC)
okay, but what about the fact that those leaked emails exposed the clinton campaign's collusion with the dnc to fuck bernie over? what about the fact that donna brazile gave hillary the debate questions, giving her an unfair advantage over bernie?
moonshaz 15th-Dec-2016 06:58 am (UTC)
Okay, what about those things? I'm not trying to be contentious; I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make.

Unless I'm missing something, the issues you raise are completely separate from the Russian hacking scandal. I'm not saying none of the stuff you mentioned is problematic or inappropriate; I'm just saying it seems like a completely different conversation to me.

On the one side, we're talking about things that went on during a political party's nominating process, and on the other, we're talking about a FOREIGN COUNTRY influencing the outcome of a US presidential election. Anything out of line the DNC may or may not have done, during the primaries or later, is a completely separate issue from Russia helping Drumpf win the election, and I don't see how any of them mitigates or cancels out the other. What Putin has done is an outrage, imo, and it would be an outrage no matter how clean or crooked either campaign or either political party's actions were during the election.

Edited at 2016-12-15 07:03 am (UTC)
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hudebnik 15th-Dec-2016 01:00 pm (UTC)
Let's remember that the Republican and Democratic Parties are private organizations, not public democratic institutions. There's no requirement that they even *hold* primaries or caucuses or debates, much less that they hold them "fairly". They can pick their nominees in an arm-wrestling contest if they want -- whatever they think will give them a candidate who can win the general election (whether they're right about that is, of course, a separate question). Indeed, until about fifty years ago each Party just picked its nominee in a smoke-filled room, announced it to the public, and the general election campaign started.

Personally, I'd prefer to see both major parties -- and the whole idea of political parties, not to mention primaries -- dry up and blow away when voting-system reform makes them irrelevant. But that's for another post.
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300mirov 15th-Dec-2016 07:16 am (UTC)
Путин сам хакнул систему?)
Не, ну вы чего на него бочку катите? Если вы считаете, что России выгоден Трамп и ему помогли, то не хотите ли вы обвинить свои спцслужбы, которые обязаны вас охранять, в полной некомпитентности и заставить отчитаться за расходы за последние пару лет. На что тратят деньги, если не способны защитить простые выборы?
А, вообще, если выборы прошли, то чего вы волну поднимаете? От этого что-то изменится?)
sugartitty 15th-Dec-2016 10:46 am (UTC)
Republicans don't care so nothing will be done 🙃
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moonshaz 16th-Dec-2016 01:19 am (UTC)
ME: I don't think any of us have any idea how big of a factor it actually was or how heavily it affected the outcome of the election.

You: Exactly. So that is why the rest of your note sounds a bit OTT to me.


If the rest of my comment sounds a bit OTT to you, it's because you totally missed the point I was making, lol!





Edited at 2016-12-16 01:20 am (UTC)
browneyedguuurl Relevant...15th-Dec-2016 06:22 pm (UTC)

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blackjedii 15th-Dec-2016 10:12 pm (UTC)
heeey you guys remember that time we helped a democratically elected leader in Vietnam and then later how he "accidentally" killed himself with his hands tied riddled with bullets

or you remember that time that one lady called hilldawg out for helping a coup right before she got assassinated

or or idk how about that whole afghanistan thing i am pretty sure that happened too
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