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Northern Ireland: Up to 200 ex-soldiers and police facing Troubles investigations

Up to 200 ex-soldiers and police facing Troubles investigations

Figure comes as rift opens between Northern Ireland Office and MoD over how to deal with historical accusations

OP: Some further details for those who are not aware of the events of this period.

This post detailed some of the history between England and Ireland (Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic). (The post also dealt with the potential effects of Brexit on Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.)

Bloody Sunday refers to January 30, 1972. "Five months earlier, in August 1971 and against a backdrop of escalating violence and increased bombings in Northern Ireland, a new law was introduced giving the authorities the power to imprison people without trial - internment. The government had decided it was the only way it could restore order. Thousands gathered in Derry on that January day for a rally organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association to protest at internment."  (From here. See also here and here.)

British soldiers opened fire on civilians and killed 13 people. Until recently, no one was ever been prosecuted for this, despite a formal apology by former UK Prime Minister David Cameron in 2010. It was recently announced that a single soldier would be prosecuted for two murders. (Reference is in French.)

...Also, the Northern Ireland Office is the UK government department which is responsible for Northern Ireland affairs (actually based in Stormont, Belfast, Northern Ireland). (See also here.) The MoD is the Ministry of Defence (UK government).


Thousands of current and former service personnel protested against the prosecutions of troops over actions on Bloody Sunday and other occasions.

As many as 200 former members of the British security forces are under official investigation for alleged criminal actions during the Troubles as a rift opens up between the Northern Ireland Office and the Ministry of Defence over how to deal with historical accusations.

There are at least three prosecutions against British soldiers under way. A former Parachute Regiment lance-corporal, identified only so far as “Soldier F”, is due to stand trial for murder and attempted murder for his role in the 1972 Bloody Sunday killings. Altogether, it is understood that between 150 and 200 former soldiers and police are under investigation for alleged actions taken during the Troubles.

The figure, which is an MoD estimate, has surfaced as the government comes under intense pressure from Tory backbenchers – as well as thousands of current and former service personnel who protested last week against the prosecutions of troops over actions on Bloody Sunday and other occasions.

One veteran was told in a letter from his MP, a former security minister, that prosecutions of British soldiers were being driven by a “cultural Marxist hatred of our national history” on the part of the “liberal establishment”.

The comments were made by Sir John Hayes in a letter to a former soldier, who posted it on an official Facebook page being used to organise a march last Friday in support of troops facing charges over killings during Bloody Sunday and on other dates.

The MP’s language mirrors that of a former minister, Suella Braverman, who was criticised last month by a leading Jewish group and others for also using the term “cultural Marxism” in a reference to a conspiracy theory often associated with the far right and antisemitism.

The hardline position taken by Hayes and other Tory backbenchers comes as more evidence emerged suggesting a split between different government departments over whether or not army veterans could be granted amnesty for alleged historical offences.

As the MoD and Northern Ireland Office pursue separate reviews and policy priorities, Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, has been trying to reassure service chiefs and veterans’ organisations.

His department is currently preparing a bill for the Queen’s speech that would impose a statute of limitations on prosecutions relating to alleged offences committed outside the UK and dating back more than 10 years – unless there are exceptional circumstances or new evidence.

However, in correspondence seen by the Guardian, the Northern Ireland Office this month sought to reassure a Belfast-based campaign group that any scheme would not cover Northern Ireland.

Relatives For Justice had expressed alarm at a recent announcement in parliament by the armed forces minister Mark Lancaster that the MoD was working “closely with the Northern Ireland Office on new arrangements, including to ensure that our armed forces and police officers are not unfairly treated”.

The Northern Ireland Office told the group in an email that what Lancaster was referring to was not at odds with what the Northern Ireland secretary, Karen Bradley, had said to them privately and what it said the MoD was “considering in an international context”.

“What we want is a way forward which provides for evidence of wrongdoing to be investigated and, where evidence exists, prosecutions to follow,” the Northern Ireland Office letter reiterated.

Paul O’Connor, director of the Pat Finucane Centre in Derry, which supports the families of Troubles’ victims, also recently had a meeting with Bradley at which he sought reassurances that there would be no amnesties for soldiers involved in the Troubles.

“She was very clear that she would not introduce any amnesty and that the MoD was doing its own thing and that was about Iraq and Afghanistan,” he told the Guardian, adding that the MoD was “playing games but the problem is that is unsettling people in Northern Ireland”.

But in a reflection of the Tory right’s position on the issue, Hayes went as far as saying in his letter to the veteran that there should be no retrospective charges against any troops “irrespective of any actions they are alleged to have committed”.

His stance was praised by other veterans on the forum, where many angrily fulminated against a “betrayal” by MPs.

A UK government spokesperson said: “The system to investigate the past needs to change to provide better outcomes for victims and survivors of the Troubles and to also ensure members of our armed forces and police are not disproportionally affected. This is why we have consulted widely on the system in Northern Ireland.

“The 2017 manifesto made clear any approach to the past must be consistent with the rule of law. We have always said that we will not introduce amnesties or immunities from prosecution in Northern Ireland. The Ministry of Defence is currently looking at what more can be done to provide further legal protection to service personnel and veterans, including considering legislation.”

Further details on human rights abuses during the period known as 'The Troubles' can be found at the following links:
-(At Human Rights Watch) NORTHERN IRELAND Continued Abuses by all Sides.
-Civil and Human Rights Violations in Northern Ireland: Effects and Shortcomings of the Good Friday Agreement in Guaranteeing Protections. (More on this reference is here and here.) OP: This one is also interesting in that it explains why there was a civil rights movement in the Catholic population at the time.

OP: A big problem with the Good Friday Agreement which ended 'The Troubles', IMHO, is that there was never a vehicle for prosecuting those who, on both sides, committed awful human rights abuses (including murder). Much of that toxic legacy, and its origins, have never really been dealt with.
Tags: *trigger warning: racism, *trigger warning: violence, history, ireland, northern ireland, race / racism, uk

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