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~IRAN ELECTION FALLOUT DISCUSSION/LIVE POST~

11:21 am - 06/16/2009
piratesswoop 16th-Jun-2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
the fact that i brought up iran on ONTD and someone asked "wait, what's happening" is really making me, idk, depressed?
bluetooth16 16th-Jun-2009 03:40 pm (UTC)
ONTD tends not to be the greatest place for discussion of international issues. All they care about is Hannah Porntana '09.
fruityphobia 16th-Jun-2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
The NYT article broke my heart..

“Here is my country,” a young woman said to me, voice breaking. “This is a coup. I could have worked in Europe but I came back for my people.” And she, too, sobbed.
schmiss 16th-Jun-2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
Here are some things I've recently re-Tweeted:

RT @chrislhayes To all the labor haters out there; wherever there's an authoritarian regime, labor is fighting it. http://bit.ly/11QkiA

RT @jimsciuttoABC: #iranelection Iran has banned all foreign journalists from reporting on the sts.

RT @jryanlaw PLEASE READ! Please read this before you mindlessly retweet Iran-related tweets - http://bit.ly/9NfTP


If you are on Twitter, I definitely recommend reading the last one.
jorajo 16th-Jun-2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
I just followed you bb. Thank you for that last link. I'm trying to be cautious about what I read.
madali 16th-Jun-2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
And I wrote this on my journal, and I think it bears repeating, because I havent seen any blogs to such comparisons,


Interior Ministry releases provincial vote count

This means that they ARE getting concerned and are now trying to cover their tracks. Of course, the people in charge are really mishandling this fraud. While initially it might appease certain people, because numbers do always seem impressive, I think this makes it easier to prove it there were concerns over the results. It just makes it easy to compare these numbers with 2005 numbers. I'm mainly comparing Karoubi & Ahmedinijad because it is easier to compare them since they were both candidates. A quick summary, in 2005, the election went to second round as no one got above 50% votes In 2005, Ahmedinijad's first round votes were 20%, and Karoubi was 18%. He didn't go to the second round, because Rafsanjani was 22%. This time it didnt even go to the second round, because Ahmadinijad got 62% while Karoubi got LESS THAN 1%! I cant imagine so much change in a mere 4 years. Now, lets look at the numbers more closely.

I look at the province of Fars. . In Fars, in 2005, Ahmedinijad got only 242,535 votes (13%). In 2009? 1.7 million! Thats 68%. Karoubi got 16,277 this time (0.6%) but last time he got 546,633 votes (thats double Ahmedinijad's votes!) and he was at 30.9%. So this guy went from getting half a million vote to just 16 thousand?

Here is another quick comparison. Ahmedinijad is winning almost every single province, and almost all of them above 50%. But look at 2005 results, people are winning differently in different province. This makes sense, because Iran is a very diverse country. It would like USA having every single state vote for the same person. One can have a field day with these comparisons.

Oh yeah, caught another one. Look at the province of Kurdistan, usually conservatives lose this state, because of it being Sunni Kurds. Ahmedinijad got 22, 353 in 2005 with only 6%! Karoubi ot the highest at a whooping 32%. In 2009, Ahmedinijad got more than 10 times more than last time, at 315,689, at 51%! From 6% to 51% in four years. Did he suddenly become the hero of all Kurds? Karoubi went from 32% to just 2%! I mean, come on!

Now look at Lurestan. I'm referring to this link for Lurestan because its not showing that province in the above link (not sure why). Ahmedinjad is 71%, 677,829, Karoubi is 44, 036 at 5%. Four years back? Ahmedinijad at 8%! Only 69,710. Karoubi had a huge 55%, 440,247! So again, this guy went from 55% to 5% while Ahmedinijad went from 8% to 71%? In four years? And Karoubi IS FROM Lurestan, and I'm from the same state, Luries are ethnically very different than northern Iranians. They are much furthur away from Tehran, have their own dialect, and love backing their own people. Even 55% in 2005 seems low for Karroubi, but votes were split with 7 candidates instead of this year's four. Ahmedinijad got received only 8%, but other candidates got 4%, 1%, 7%, %9%, 15%, and only Karoubi getting 55%. That makes it 91%, leaving 9% for write-in candidates and such, meaning than that figure itself is bigger than what Ahmedinijad got in that state.

dearmisterecho 16th-Jun-2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
I don't remember precisely what happened, but this all reminds me of the 2000/04 election where there were more Republican votes than there were people in the entire county or something...like very obviously fixed voting results. Argh I wish I could remember what it was!

*goes on an 'election fraud" wiki spree*
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ceilidh_ann 16th-Jun-2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
'Mass opposition rally' in Tehran (BBC):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8103577.stm
one_hoopy_frood 16th-Jun-2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
Just in case anyone missed it in the last post, I've written an article to explain everything to those who don't know what is going on. Feel free to repost it anywhere and everywhere:
http://one-hoopy-frood.livejournal.com/10678.html
calimoonchild 16th-Jun-2009 09:37 pm (UTC)
That is an EXCELLENT article. Thanks for putting that together.
jlsigman 16th-Jun-2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
Best two people I'm following on Twitter right now are StopAhmadi and persiankiwi . Some of the things they've been Twittering have been horrible.
lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
ProtesterHelp and Change_for_Iran are both great resources as well.
brewsternorth 16th-Jun-2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
The Lede (NYT blog): updated regularly.

Guardian UK's live post and pictures. Notable article: Twitter delays maintenance shutdown to help Iranian protestors.

Edited at 2009-06-16 03:56 pm (UTC)
leprofessional 16th-Jun-2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
lol. ~:)
leprofessional 16th-Jun-2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
by lol I mean republicans care about us. my heart is filled with warmth and comfort. :)
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babytooths 16th-Jun-2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
Could we get the links from the original post included?
jmclive 16th-Jun-2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
Does anyone else have facebook friends that just don't seem to give a shit? There isn't a comment about it on my update page and hasn't been all weekend. Needless to say, I'm disappointed.
lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
The only facebook friends I have who care are ones who I've met through LJ. My irl friends haven't said a word.
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lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
Aww I feel like I'm being kicked out of my house. I've posted so many comments in the other live post that it feels like ~home.
gothic_oreo 16th-Jun-2009 03:57 pm (UTC)
How many pages id it get to? I am afraid to go back and look.
ao_kiddo 16th-Jun-2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
I am sick to my stomach and I can't stop fretting about this.

The last time our people had a revolution, it didn't end well.

I am so disheartened right now.
lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
Hey girl. I was thinking about you yesterday and meant to facebook you but got swept up in something else. You don't have any family over there, do you?
yesdrizella 16th-Jun-2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
ARGH. The Iranian group at my campus is holding a rally today, and I can't go because I have to watch fucking State of Play with my class for extra credit. :(
jmclive 16th-Jun-2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
The British version or the American version?

It'll probably still be going on by the time your class gets out. Rally's usually last quite a long time, in my experience.
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lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
ProtesterHelp Tonight will be bloodiest yet in Tehran. Hope and pray the army don't receive orders. half a minute ago from web
evilgmbethy 16th-Jun-2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
With the way they've very suddenly clamped down extra hard on journalism and their extra effort to stop the Twitter use, it does point to things getting very brutal today.
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