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More Evidence That Margaret Thatcher Was Racist, Everyone Fairly Unsurprised

3:11 pm - 12/30/2009
Margaret Thatcher complained about Asian immigration to Britain

Margaret Thatcher thought it was "quite wrong" for immigrants to get council houses ahead of "white citizens", previously unpublished government papers show.



Files released to the National Archives show that soon after becoming prime minister, Lady Thatcher privately complained that too many Asian immigrants were being allowed into Britain.

The documents, which are published today under the "30 year rule", shed further light on Lady Thatcher’s attitudes on race and immigration, political issues that have remained controversial ever since.

They show that in July 1979, Lady Thatcher met Lord Carrington, her foreign secretary, and William Whitelaw, then home secretary, to discuss the plight of hundreds of thousands of "boat people" fleeing persecution in communist Vietnam.

The prime minister, who had publicly said that she sympathised with fears that Britain was being "swamped" by immigrant cultures, reacted sharply to the ministers' suggestions that thousands of the Vietnamese refugees should be welcomed.

Lord Carrington, who had visited refugee camps in Hong Kong where some of the boat people were being held, gave a "vivid account" of the conditions there, the minutes show.

He suggested that Britain take 10,000 of them over two years. Failure to take a significant number would lead to a "damaging reaction" at home and abroad, he said, and anything less than 10,000 would be "difficult to sustain" on the world stage.

But Lady Thatcher said that there were already too many people coming into Britain, according to the minutes.

She said that "with some exceptions there had been no humanitarian case for accepting 1.5 million immigrants from south Asia and elsewhere. It was essential to draw a line somewhere".

Mr Whitelaw entered the debate, suggesting to the prime minister that refugees were a different matter to immigrants in general.

He said that according to letters he had received, opinion favoured the accepting of more of the Vietnamese refugees.

Lady Thatcher responded that "in her view all those who wrote letters in this sense should be invited to accept one into their homes," the minutes disclose.

"She thought it quite wrong that immigrants should be given council housing whereas white citizens were not."

Lady Thatcher asked what the implications of such a move could be given that an exodus of the white population from Rhodesia – now Zimbabwe – was expected once majority rule was established.

She made clear, however, that she had "less objection to refugees such as Rhodesians, Poles and Hungarians, since they could more easily be assimilated into British society".

The meeting was held about 18 months after Lady Thatcher made comments in a television interview that came to be seen as a watershed in mainstream politicians’ handling of race and immigration.

"People are really rather afraid that this country might be rather swamped by people with a different culture," she told World In Action.

"If we do not want people to go to extremes we ourselves must talk about this problem and we must show that we are prepared to deal with it," she added. "We are not in politics to ignore people’s worries. We are in politics to deal with them."

The comments were held responsible for a collapse in support for the National Front, which had been gathering momentum in working class communities.

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Urgh. Why why WHY do people still idolise this woman? Outside of her vile stances on certain issues (South Africa and apartheid stick in my mind), her policies have done so much long term damage to vast swathes of Britain. And yet you've still got people worshipping her! I hope to high heaven we never see the likes of her type ever again...



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draperyfalls 30th-Dec-2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
The irony of the head of the greatest colonial power in history whining about foreigners stealing their land..

Love the Frankie Boyle bit. Eddie also had it right:

And so everything sort of builds up through the days, and you know, if you have a deadline, you know how it works; everything builds right up to the end. I think on the seventh day, God was running around, going, “Oh, my God! What haven’t I…? Rwanda! I better create Rwanda! Sorry, haven’t quite done that. The Tower of Pisa.. oh, it’s leaning. Oh, shi… done! Toilets in French camping sites.. there we go. English football hooligans.. there we go, whatever that is. Mrs. Thatcher’s heart.. there we go.. oh, fuck that! I know, I’ll put a stone in, that’ll work!”
jslayeruk 30th-Dec-2009 04:04 pm (UTC)
The irony of the head of the greatest colonial power in history whining about foreigners stealing their land.

Not only that, but whining AT THE EXACT SAME TIME she was refusing to support Nelson Mandela, because "he's a terrorist", and ignoring that the British and the Dutch had done and were continuing to do in South Africa PRECISELY what she was arguing against happening in Britain...

Evil, evil woman. I make no bones of the disgust I hold for her.
lemonsherry 30th-Dec-2009 03:58 pm (UTC)

Lady Thatcher responded that "in her view all those who wrote letters in this sense should be invited to accept one into their homes," the minutes disclose.

damn.
red_pill 30th-Dec-2009 04:03 pm (UTC)
why is carter only a "president" and not a president in that telegraph artical?

as for thatcher and those that wish to folow her, thay are displicable. on the bright side, at least her (mild?) bigotry defused (defently less mild, more violent, more shitty) bigotry.

looking forward to her funural.

Edited at 2009-12-30 04:04 pm (UTC)
draperyfalls 30th-Dec-2009 04:08 pm (UTC)
why is carter only a "president" and not a president in that telegraph artical?

what?
popehippo 30th-Dec-2009 04:13 pm (UTC)

"She thought it quite wrong that immigrants should be given council housing whereas white citizens were not."


Wait. This confuses me.

If they immigrated there legally, wouldn't that MAKE THEM CITIZENS? *boggles*
draperyfalls 30th-Dec-2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
I don't know the system in the UK.. but in the US, even when you immigrate legally, you don't become a citizen for a number of years.
pennieblack 30th-Dec-2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
OT:


This will always be Thatcher to me.

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Semi-on topic: I'm always stunned to find people who whole-heartedly admire Margaret Thatcher. What rocks do they live under?

red_pill 30th-Dec-2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
thatcher riped the country appart one way or anther, destoryed the unions and industry, recked socal cosion, fucked people over left and right...

shes was clever, personly powerful, and yet moral bankcrupt. there are things to admire about her. but she was a horble priemister, without a heart.
urban_stoop 30th-Dec-2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
wrestlingdog 30th-Dec-2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
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sentinelsoul 30th-Dec-2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, fairly unsurprised here. How people can admire this woman I do not know.

Edited at 2009-12-30 04:55 pm (UTC)
beuk 30th-Dec-2009 04:56 pm (UTC)
I tried to get my Modern Britain professor to screen "Brassed Off" for us. I mean, we watched "The Madness of King George" so why not.
red_pill 30th-Dec-2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
brassed off? whats it about? is it any good?
box_in_the_box 30th-Dec-2009 05:17 pm (UTC)
I remember Warren Ellis mentioning in an issue of Planetary that Thatcher was so horrible that several British women's groups actually came up with serious conspiracy theories about how Thatcher couldn't be biologically female, because they couldn't accept the reality that their first female prime minister was ... well, Thatcher.

Ellis also made the rather apt point, that had never occurred to me before, that a significant amount of the dystopian zeitgeist of the DC Vertigo line's British-supplied creative content could be attributed to those folks living under Thatcher.
paulnolan 30th-Dec-2009 06:52 pm (UTC)
several British women's groups actually came up with serious conspiracy theories about how Thatcher couldn't be biologically female

I wonder if that's where Spitting Image's gag of her pissing standing up came from?
impeachtea 30th-Dec-2009 05:28 pm (UTC)
Without Thatcher I wouldn't be the militant socialist I am today, so thanks love. Kisses!
lavenderfrost 30th-Dec-2009 05:39 pm (UTC)
"People are really rather afraid that this country might be rather swamped by people with a different culture," she told World In Action.

Oh, yes.

GOD FORBID we have multiple cultures sharing the same country. *massive fucking eyeroll*
box_in_the_box The problem here is that the idea that "nationality =/= ethnicity" is still incredibly new ...30th-Dec-2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
... Yes, even in America, which touts itself as the ultimate champion of this ideal, but which has had its own struggles on that score.

Which is not to say that Thatcher is not still unpardonably racist, but which does highlight the fact that we all have some work to do, in terms of reconciling the fact that one can be an exemplar representative of one's country even if one's skin color or culture does not conform to the majority's.

And yes, cue the Brits lining up to point out that Americans are still so hung up on this point that many of us are desperate to prove that our new president must be a foreign-born terrorist, simply because he's not a Caucasian named Bob Smith, and I will take that criticism on my nation's behalf, but then again, I'd also point out that, when Doctor Who was casting about for its Eleventh Doctor, suggestions of black British actor Paterson Joseph were met with frequent cries from several Brit fans that "the Doctor should be BRITISH, darn it," as though the citizenship means less if it comes in other colors.

I guess what I'm saying here, with tongue tucked firmly in cheek, is that, yes, we have crazy-ass birthers and Klansmen and racist assholes in America, but the Brits have the BNP and people like Thatcher, and while we can elect a black president, you guys can't even deal with a black Doctor Who, so there. Nyeah. ;P
octoberstarlite 30th-Dec-2009 05:41 pm (UTC)
I hate to admit it, but i know people who have a mild respect for her now because of her views on things exactly like this. Working class people whose parents lives she ruined when she was in power and who used to detest her.
lavenderfrost 30th-Dec-2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
I hate to admit it, but i know people who have a mild respect for her now because of her views on things exactly like this. Working class people whose parents lives she ruined when she was in power and who used to detest her.

I'm so terrified that this is what's going to happen here in America when it comes to people like George Bush and Pat Buchanan. It's bad enough that it's so easy for so many working-class white men to blame all their problems on Mexican immigrants and Affirmative Action. :(
red_pill 30th-Dec-2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
also, i am an owner of a cd mix dedcated to margret thatcher, in the event of her death. the first song is "ding dong the witch is dead".
perfectisafault 30th-Dec-2009 06:19 pm (UTC)
Thatcher/Reagan/Pinochet ot3.

But seriously, fuck Margaret Thatcher.
box_in_the_box 31st-Dec-2009 12:00 am (UTC)
"fuck Margaret Thatcher"

I'd fuck Spider-Man's Aunt May, but Thatcher and Nancy Grace are where I draw the line.

They are the Anti-MILFs.
roboplege 30th-Dec-2009 06:39 pm (UTC)
Fuck it, whenever I see her name in a headline I jump to the conclusion that she's died. Don't get my hopes up like that!
paulnolan 30th-Dec-2009 06:55 pm (UTC)
Same. :[

(she can't have long left now though, right?)
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