bscorp (bnmc2005) wrote in ontd_political,
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First off, I want to thank
kseda for copy/commenting on  the Prop8 trial for ONTP today. For those of you who haven't read it yet,  I added some of the later testimony from this afternoon (with bolding and snarky comments.)
The effort the churches put into this was immense and when reading about it, I am struck by how much they were able to get done with fear and bigotry. But it is something we all need to read and learn, THIS  is how you get things done- or done to you.  


Of note in particular is the excellent job by The Plaintiffs' atty Boutrous  of outlining the connection between the Catholic Church and the Mormon church to get prop 8 passed.  The Defense fought tooth and nail to have every document and witness testimony suppressed. Claiming everything from 1st amendment, to client/atty privledge, to "Hey we didn't see this deposition!! (Judge: yes you did it was your witness, dumbass.)"
When i told my GF that  kind of  Sh*t makes me almost kind of think about in the back of my mind- some glint of respect-arg-wtf-something for Fred Phelps. At least he shows his hate in the daylight. She made the point just made the point that the most Powerful institutions are often the most hidden.
Now I offer this article from the awesomeness that is Prop8trialtracker.com about what the Prop8 side is trying to hide and why. (Warning: Much arrrgggghh to ensue)

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An Explosive Afternoon: LDS Church

(click title for source) January 20, 2010 couragecampaign By Julia Rosen

The transcripts from this afternoon read like an episode of Law and Order, with the attorneys arguing with the judge over what documents ought to be introduced as evidence. These aren’t just any old documents, they are emails and letters sent back and forth between the Prop 8 campaign and Catholic, LDS, and Evangelical churches.
For example, one letter indicated that the LDS {Aka Latter Day Saints: Mormon Church} church had identified a volunteer for the campaign in every single zip code. This was a church document that was in the hands of a Prop 8 campaign official, and thus was discoverable. Andy Pugno, the general council for ProtectMarriage.com tried his darnedest to get Judge Walker to exclude it, but failed. From Rick’s liveblog:
Pugno: Objects because document will be revealing.
Judge: Not to make light of this, but the reason people want to produce documents is that they are revealing.
Boutrous: It’s from an outsider to the core group. We are attempting to show the level of coordination with groups that Protect Marriage says were not even affiliated with the campaign.
This is perhaps the most explosive bit of all, from a document between the LDS Church and the campaign:
With respect to Prop. 8 campaign, key talking points will come from campaign, but cautious, strategic, not to take the lead so as to provide plausible deniability or respectable distance so as not to show that church is directly involved.
{{ARRRGHHH! My own ETA: This is what pisses me off the most, they don't want to show the church's involvement so they can claim 'it was the people's vote- their wishes' NOT that it was the people being misled by a religious entity about a government matter!!}
Get that? The LDS Church intentionally worked to hide behind the scenes to disguise their involvement in the public realm. The LDS Church is well aware that the general public does not have the most favorable opinion of them. Attention on their involvement could have hurt their cause, namely passing Prop 8.
Brian has more here on the tangled web between officials on the campaign and the LDS Church.
These documents were not the only interesting pieces of evidence from today. AFTER released these two deposition videos, both of experts that the defense had on their witness list. These witnesses were both dropped from the witness list. Now we know why. They seem to be supportive of marriage equality. David Boies conducts the interview in both examples. {{oh, oops did we stumble upon logic, can't have that can we?}} Here is Paul Nathanson, Ph.D. The transcript is up here.

And Katherine Young, Ph.D. Transcript is available.

One more piece of news of note. AFER also announced today that they will be publishing transcripts from the trial on their site right here.
Tags: marriage equality, mormonism
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