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12:40 pm - 07/20/2011
1,800 Canadians poised to lose citizenship: Kenney

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney confirmed Wednesday that as many as 1,800 new Canadians could be stripped of their citizenship because they were obtained fraudulently.

“We are in the process of notifying them that we will be revoking their citizenship because Canadian citizenship is not for sale,” Kenney told the Economic Club of Canada.

Kenney said some of the individuals are believed to have used “unscrupulous” immigration consultants who submitted fraudulent applications on behalf of people who did not meet the qualifications for citizenship.

The 1,800 were identified following a three-year investigation by the RCMP, other police forces and Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

“By the way, we are not done with our investigation” Kenney said, noting that many of the accused live outside the country.

They can challenge the decision in Federal Court. If not, Cabinet will move to revoke their citizenship.

Citizenship revocation is relatively uncommon in Canada with only 63 people being stripped of their citizenship since 1977, Kenney said.

Most were for reasons related to residence fraud, criminality and false identity, or concealing their involvement in war crimes.

Speaking in Vancouver on Tuesday, Kenney said Ottawa is trying to discourage immigration fraud.

“For those who simply touch down and try to get a Canadian passport as a … passport of convenience, who don’t pay our taxes but who do consume our social benefits, I think that’s dishonourable,” he told reporters after delivering a speech to the Vancouver Board of Trade.

“There are many ways that we are combating immigration fraud and abuse of our generosity, whether it is from [bogus] asylum claimants, crooked immigration consultants, people smugglers [or] people who are abusing our citizenship program,” he said.

Kenney also announced that Canada will soon be introducing multi-year visas for low-risk visitors from around the world that will last 10 years.

Source is a racist fuck.

I'm trying to find a response to this that isn't just a string of cursing and anger. Gimme a sec.

Legally this has to be a huge faux-pas. There's a reason why it's really rare to take away citizenship, it's so fundamental to our political and social systems that it's supposed to be etched in stone. This government isn't so much worried about people coming here illegally but of coming who are the 'wrong' colour.

Immigrants pay taxes, we might still have ties to our old homes but we love our new country just the same. We live and work here just like everyone else. When you're running away from war and famine and death you don't have the ability to observe legal niceties to come here. Fuck you, you heartless, racist pieces of shit.
poetic_pixie_13 20th-Jul-2011 05:36 pm (UTC)
It's always our fault. There are so many stories of immigrants who are taken advantage of by immigration 'consultants.' But, of course, those brown and black and yellow people just want to cheat the system.
lightningxsnow 20th-Jul-2011 05:47 pm (UTC)
Fuck that shit.
acmeeoy 20th-Jul-2011 05:49 pm (UTC)
Why has Harper been able to be in power for so long?

Fuck politicians and fuck right-wingers!
ms_mmelissa 20th-Jul-2011 05:57 pm (UTC)
This is revolting. I can believe that many immigrants obtain citizenship by so called "unscrupulous" methods because it is so fucking hard to get in in the first place. My dad immigrated here legally, but even he bullshitted a little on his application because the way the system is run it is impossible to immigrate unless you are rich.

preciosatt 20th-Jul-2011 06:11 pm (UTC)
I see it from both sides because without getting into specific details, in my business sometimes we meet with gov'ts. And there's been a crackdown on citizens from our country lately by both the Canadian and US gov't because they have been cheating the system.

Now our country isn't wartorn, there isn't massive unemployment. But we have failed to sell our country to it's own citizens as a place that's just as good as the "over there" so they leave and they do so illegally (not to mention the completely fraudulent refugee claims that the Canadian gov't even wrote us a letter about). We were told that the scrutiny was going to be stepped up on our citizens because an average of 20,000 remain illegally.

So legitimate victims end up paying for the reckless and thoughtless actions of a few. I've read the files of complaints that we've gotten and people are just astounding with the stories they weave.
krazykat88 20th-Jul-2011 08:19 pm (UTC)


Everytime I hear someone talk about "Canadians of convienience" I want to punch someone. Either someone is Canadian, or they aren't. (also, this accusation is rarely, if ever, thrown at people who are White/European and are citizens of another country)

IMO *if* there are "unscrupulous" immigration consultants who are willing to submit false documentation/applications, then the government should be going after them *before* it goes after the immigrants. But that would be logical, and I don't think logic is something the Government of Cana...excuse me, I mean "Harper Government" poseses

seishin 21st-Jul-2011 03:01 am (UTC)
IMO *if* there are "unscrupulous" immigration consultants who are willing to submit false documentation/applications, then the government should be going after them *before* it goes after the immigrants.

star_maple 20th-Jul-2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
This is such bullshit. They've set up a system that pretty much requires an immigration lawyer and then don't police the people claiming to be lawyers and then blame the immigrants?

I'm trying to become a Canadian permanent resident if not a citizen. I'm a white, American woman who speaks fluent English and has done all post secondary education in Canada-- and I'm totally confused and overwhelmed. I've been told by everyone that the only way to have a shot at it is to get a immigration lawyer (because the application fee isn't prohibitive enough, I need to also pay legal fees) and it feels like there's scammers everywhere.
conejita_diabla 21st-Jul-2011 01:08 am (UTC)
I hear ya - it took me *years* to pay off all the application costs and legal fees, and that was over 10 years ago. I can't even imagine what it's like now. :-(
effervescent 20th-Jul-2011 09:22 pm (UTC)
Ugh. The illegal methods should be stopped, yeah - but the people PERPETRATING them should be the ones punished, not the ones who were taken in. And I think Canada needs to take a look at the system and what to do to help these people who are so eager to come here, too.
magus_69 21st-Jul-2011 04:23 am (UTC)
Because it cannot be said enough:

romp 21st-Jul-2011 04:51 am (UTC)
You'd think his gov't would pick the kinder option just once by accident. But no.

There are so many other ways of dealing with this! Give them 10 years to save up and be on probation if you're so sure, they're going to get into trouble. But don't further victimize the victims.

This is a big damn country that is HARD to get into. The birth rate is low so we should be welcoming in people (and supplying free sperm to lesbians)!

This topic always makes me think of a This Hour sketch in which a 1960s Canadian newscaster hears about all the immigrants Canada will need in the upcoming years. "But there aren't that many people in all of Great Britain!"
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